Whether it’s a local road variant or a black-bonnet elf work train, I think it’s fun to see what the dealers come up with. I really enjoy the custom runs as much as the catalog itself. I saw Stu’s earlier in the thread (good stuff, by the way). Any more custom runs out there yet?
Love the DL&W E8s but way too much money for me to spend... might do a B6sb if I can scrape up that much.....maybe lol. Love several of the lionchief offerings....but without speed control, no sale. Already ordered an 0-6-0t last catalog (now there's a great product!! Lionel needs more of that type of offering.) All lionchief offerings should be PLUS or 2.0 at this point.
I must admit I was shocked by the Prototypical Reading Passenger cars. I am hoping they can be nudged into running on o-42. I also am interested in knowing if there are more sounds than listed for the Vision REA baggage car.
Where they show the Vista Dome cars and matching heavyweights will they be 21" and 18" cars mixed? Would have preferred to see air conditioned sleeper heavy weights rather than the Reading style cars being tooled up.
Norton posted:D500 posted:GS-1? Maybe.
D, make sure you check out the crossheads before committing.
Pete
Pete, I thought that you had saved me some money, what with the Lionel model showing multiple-bearing crossheads, at least on the Pilot model. Then I just looked up some photos, out of curiosity, and, drat, some GS-1's did have multi-bearing type; others, the alligator. I saw photos of 4403 and (T&NO) 710 with multi-bearing type. Not sure if this is a change through time or not. To make it worse, 4403 is in the catalogue.
I really shouldn't anyway. Really.
Dominic Mazoch posted:Pingman posted:The Southern E-8 caught my attention:
At one time did the SOU connect a steam whistle to a steam generator of an E unit? That would be intetesting to model. And it a picture about it in TRAINS.
SOU Rwy experts: this model shows winterization hatches over the fans (the big bulky boxes). Did the Southern use these? Indeed, some parts of the South and its northern border areas can get pretty darn cold and snowy (not my Gulf Coast region), but I associate these hatches with the far north and Canada.
Just questioning.
D500 posted:Dominic Mazoch posted:Pingman posted:The Southern E-8 caught my attention:
At one time did the SOU connect a steam whistle to a steam generator of an E unit? That would be intetesting to model. And it a picture about it in TRAINS.
SOU Rwy experts: this model shows winterization hatches over the fans (the big bulky boxes). Did the Southern use these? Indeed, some parts of the South and its northern border areas can get pretty darn cold and snowy (not my Gulf Coast region), but I associate these hatches with the far north and Canada.
Just questioning.
This was an issue with the last run of Lionel's E8s. I have a Santa Fe pair that has those hatches. I can't remember exactly what the experts concluded about that but there was certainly some dispute over whether it was prototypical.
The prototype SRR #6901 resides at the Southeastern Railway Museum located in the Atlanta GA suburb of Duluth:
Hancock52 posted:D500 posted:Dominic Mazoch posted:Pingman posted:The Southern E-8 caught my attention:
At one time did the SOU connect a steam whistle to a steam generator of an E unit? That would be intetesting to model. And it a picture about it in TRAINS.
SOU Rwy experts: this model shows winterization hatches over the fans (the big bulky boxes). Did the Southern use these? Indeed, some parts of the South and its northern border areas can get pretty darn cold and snowy (not my Gulf Coast region), but I associate these hatches with the far north and Canada.
Just questioning.
This was an issue with the last run of Lionel's E8s. I have a Santa Fe pair that has those hatches. I can't remember exactly what the experts concluded about that but there was certainly some dispute over whether it was prototypical.
I think the winterization hatches were standard on the E8/9. They are visible on a good broadside view of a Southern E8.
Rusty
Did notice on the Lionel model it did have the letter "check code". This might be an issue for those who model SOU before the check code system was used.
Mike W,
I have the Kline Virginian Allegheny which measures 27" in length. That is the length given for the Lionel Allegheny in the catalog, so it could well be from Kline tooling. I also have both the Lionel Lionmaster Big Boy and Kline Big Boy. The Lionmaster is about 3" longer and 1/2" taller than the Kline Big Boy. I also measured the height of the Kline Allegheny and it is about 1/2" shorter than both the Lionmaster Big Boy and Challenger. There is a visual difference between the Lionmaster Big Boy and Challenger and the Kline Big Boy and Virginian in scale.
George
Ha! I guess they forgot to remove the protective foam.
Craignor posted:I like this set, but what’s with the white cow catcher?
Here is a prototype picture with the white pilot.
I would like to have one of those gigantic 4-8-4's, but my pike is only 048. Thus, I like the Santa Fe B6sb, and with a street price of $550 to $585 the B6sb is relatively economical for a Legacy locomotive. The Santa Fe and BN beer cars are also nice.
Santa Fe had many 0-6-0 spread out over several classes. However, the ATSF did not have any B6's. The closest I could find on the web was unit #2044. However #2044 had three domes atop the boiler and did not have a Belpaire firebox.
Lots, but i am gonna limit my buy's to the NYC Caboose with camera and the Rutland Milk Car - Maybe I will get them before I die as I have had Milk Cars on order with METCA and one of the dealers on the forum for over 3 years.
Still recovering from 2 Hudsons, 1 Challenger and misc cars from the last catalog so the GS-4/5 and cars are out.
WBC posted:Craignor posted:I like this set, but what’s with the white cow catcher?
Here is a prototype picture with the white pilot.
That’s AMAZING!!!!
I like the idea of getting the lion chief plus PE Berk. Anyone think it’s too much for the starter set level of the PE cars.?
A few if not all of the AC-9’s also had the white/silver pilot at some point in their life.
I think the Beer Cars and the new 57' Mechanical Reefers with smoke & sound are very "cool." I plan on ordering some.
Marty R posted:I like the idea of getting the lion chief plus PE Berk. Anyone think it’s too much for the starter set level of the PE cars.?
I have a Lionel Legacy diesel (RS-11 Halloween) and use it with traditional size rolling stock, never thought the engine was a bit "too much" when pulling "starter level" rolling stock. As many have said before, it is your railroad, have fun.
If you take away the SP and Christmas items the catalog shrinks to a normal size catalog. only a few things got my interest some PRR scale passenger cars and the fake news stand, may get two of those and send one to the president.
das boot posted:Marty R posted:I like the idea of getting the lion chief plus PE Berk. Anyone think it’s too much for the starter set level of the PE cars.?
I have a Lionel Legacy diesel (RS-11 Halloween) and use it with traditional size rolling stock, never thought the engine was a bit "too much" when pulling "starter level" rolling stock. As many have said before, it is your railroad, have fun.
Thanks. So long as it isn’t way to big, I’ll be happy.
NOT LionelLLC posted:irish rifle posted:Interested to see what private runs will be offered by the dealers and clubs this time around. There were a ton for last year's catalog.
Pat
Hmmm. If only I knew a guy that does this for a club.
If you know the right website, there's 2 loco's already posted. Once we send an eblast to our members, I'll share here … unless someone beats me to it.
Stu
https://www.metca.org/store.h home run from METCA, as a compromise, I will only show one offering.
More home runs from METCA, you definitely know how to deliver. As a compromise, I will post only one photo.
RadioRon posted:jhz563 posted:I can't understand why Lionchief still is offered when LC+ and now lc2.0 is some much better. I like the area 51 train, but I just don't want another lc engine, even with the light up track.
I agree TOTALLY! I think Lionel is losing many sales to those of us with conventional layouts by not putting LC+ in it's basic sets & single-sale locos, or at LEAST making the LC locos upgradeable to LC+. I would have likely gotten the Scooby-Doo, Hot Wheels or current Area 51 sets if this were true.
I agree with both of you 100%.
So far I like the B6 Bethlehem Steel, and the cattle cars, C&NW that is.
Does Beer still move by rail? The beer cars made me think of this.
the Southern E-8 set, the Boston &Maine passenger set and the trannnscontinental sleepers
Maybe its mentioned in the catalog somewhere but wondering if Lionel will be offering the green LED lighted track for separate sale? Toying with getting the Area 51 set but would probably want to supplement the track pieces that come with the set.
Brian DeFazio posted:Love the DL&W E8s but way too much money for me to spend... might do a B6sb if I can scrape up that much.....maybe lol. Love several of the lionchief offerings....but without speed control, no sale. Already ordered an 0-6-0t last catalog (now there's a great product!! Lionel needs more of that type of offering.) All lionchief offerings should be PLUS or 2.0 at this point.
Thank you! I really feel like the train sets (ready to run) lack the whole "stair case" method to going to a LC set to legacy since the LC stuff can't be ran on legacy therefore, the stair case stops there since if you get a 2.0 or legacy engine (and own legacy/tmcc) you can't run them on legacy. Yes, speed control would be nice in the LC sets.
I really enjoyed looking through this catalog. After all the leaks that were posted prior to the catalog’s release on Monday I thought there was nothing I was going to be interested in but after a close review there are 3 items I really like:
1. PRR E8s - I do own the 5 stripe PRR E8s from a few years ago but the ditch lights are calling my name. Got to do some heavy thinking about this one.
2. PRR Vision Line PRR Refer 3 pack - If I pass on #1 this maybe my first Vision Line product.
3. Amtrak E8s - No ditch lights on these but my god what a paint job. I don’t own any Amtrak equipment which means I would need Amtrak passenger cars so this could run into some big bucks.
I continue to hope Lionel will do either a Vision Line PRR T1 or at least a Legacy PRR T1 soon as my train buying days are numbered. So come on Lionel make a GD Legacy T1. Forget making anymore SP GS Locomotives for at least 10 years. Same thing as the Reading T-1 which was made 5 years ago. Even the B6 my favorite Legacy engine was only out 5 years ago. There should be at least 7 years between re-runs of Legacy engines especially since you have not run a scale PRR T1 in over 20 years. I say this with peace and love, peace and love.
JohnB
Love the 0-6-0T dockside switcher. For the $250 price, to me, that's the biggest no-brainer in the entire catalog. I don't need another switcher, but for this price point and features, I'll find a reason to justify one.
My layout is too small for the Lionmaster Allegheny but am happy to see more love with LC+2 for the Lionmaster line. Maybe a remake of the beautiful Lionmaster Hudson in LC+2 next year?
Also feel the Pennsy F3s with LC+2 calling me.
Still not convinced by the Jr. Berk as the banner carrier for LC+2 steam. Would like to see one in person, but it appears to be the Jr. Berk tooling which, at it size, is too small relative to other semi-scale engines. I added DCS just so I could have a bigger, still semi-scale Berk.
I am pretty sure I will get the Preamble Express set to add to my Bicentennial collection. Besides, at $800 for a Legacy E8 (the real UP #951 was an E9) and 4 passenger cars is a good deal. I assume the passenger cars are 18" but the catalog doesn't say.
I will also get some of the Friendship Train boxcars to add to the MTH cars I already have. I am a little disappointed that Lionel made some of the same boxcars MTH did. I will also get the Friendship Train 2-pack of sleepers, but $400 for two 18" cars is high. I will pull these cars with my Lionel Centipede just like the real train.
I was also looking at the Golden State cars because they are 21" compared to my 18" K-Line set. I like the fact that the dome car is separate sale because the Golden State never had dome cars. The 10 non-dome cars available will make a nice set behind my Lionel E6 AA Rock Island diesels. These diesels are great because Lionel used the correct cab numbers for the E6s that pulled the Golden State.
I think are some interesting ideas in this catalog. While Lionel does not normally occupy the modeling space I am currently in I liked the CNJ SD40 options. However I have them from the Atlas run and the quality is still excellent from today's standards. I also see a distinct lack of new tooling which is more in alignment with MTH catalogs these days. The brass hybrid Northern is nice, but brass doesn't require tooling or the large productions runs. Not a criticism of the catalog at all, just more evidence that the O gauge market place is a harder sell than it once was. I suspect the Freedom Train cars will do very well.
The Reading commuter cars were interesting and while similar to some on the CNJ, I won't take a chance on a car that isn't prototypically accurate for CNJ. That's just me however. I've been looking for correct Bethlehem Ship Building cars since I was a teen. So far the only close ones have been in ancient Walthers HO and O scale kits which are not easy to find anymore. If the Reading cars are delivered accurately per the catalog write up, I will pick up a set from a retailer once I see them, repaint, and 2 rail them.
Please don't get me started on some of the fantasy schemes. Just not my thing. To those that enjoy them I hope you get great play value out of those offerings.
I like the Area 51 set, the Budweieser set, and the Thomas Kinkade set - but I can't run them on my Legacy layout.
Grampstrains posted:Paul Kallus posted:I noted that the 0-6-0T's are advertised with LionChief2.0Plus - which has desirable features including speed control, however the 0-6-0T included with the PE Elf train is listed as LionChief, yet the set commands a premium price. Do I understand this right? Why not include the PE 0-6-0T with Lionchief2.0Plus? I won't consider it unless the engine has speed control.
I'm with you. I was going to buy this set but the price does not justify the lack of 2.0.
Agreed! I think the idea of this set was genius!
BUT very disappointed it does not have 2.0
Mike W. posted:Does Beer still move by rail? The beer cars made me think of this.
Those beer cars were for shipping barrels of beer. Prior to prohibition, over 80% of beer in the US was sold on draught at taverns. Even industry giants like Pabst, Schlitz, Ballantine, and Anheuser-Busch had just one big brewery. They had to ship those barrels all over the nation.
After Prohibition, draught beer consumption began to decline as the major brewers improved their bottling and then canning processes. Packaged beer is pasteurized and doesn't require refrigerated railcars.
Also after WWII, I know that our local brewery, Anheuser-Busch, brought the mountain to Mohammed: they opened breweries in Newark, NJ and Los Angeles, CA. So between the local breweries and better packaging, the beer cars became unnecessary.
MikeH posted:Mike W. posted:Does Beer still move by rail? The beer cars made me think of this.
Those beer cars were for shipping barrels of beer. Prior to prohibition, over 80% of beer in the US was sold on draught at taverns. Even industry giants like Pabst, Schlitz, Ballantine, and Anheuser-Busch had just one big brewery. They had to ship those barrels all over the nation.
After Prohibition, draught beer consumption began to decline as the major brewers improved their bottling and then canning processes. Packaged beer is pasteurized and doesn't require refrigerated railcars.
Also after WWII, I know that our local brewery, Anheuser-Busch, brought the mountain to Mohammed: they opened breweries in Newark, NJ and Los Angeles, CA. So between the local breweries and better packaging, the beer cars became unnecessary.
The beer cars being Conrail would make me think it was a 70's - 80's thing? I assume they could still ship crates of beer cans in boxcars? But they probably go on a double stack container for the long haul? Or beer is bottled close to market in the same plants that bottle soda...usually a local vendor with a license.
Well, I guess 1970 was 50 years ago. Could be they were moving some package beer by rail in the 70's still. I know Anheuser-Busch always bottles on site at their breweries. I was told about 15 years ago that Coors packaged off site but I can't substantiate that.
"I like the Area 51 set, the Budweieser set, and the Thomas Kinkade set - but I can't run them on my Legacy layout. "
That's not correct. You cannot use your Legacy system to control LionChief locos (although you can with LC 2.0+), but the way you run LionChief locos on your Legacy layout is simple. You put the train on the track, and you control it with the included LionChief remote, the universal remote or the Lionel app on your smart phone or tablet. LionChief locos from sets or separate sale run perfectly well on Legacy layouts as long as you put voltage (probably a minimum of about 12 volts, up to 18 volts) on the track. Hope this helps.
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