The GS-1 is really talking to me. I hate that. I like the Pilot version of locos when offered, but, somehow, the brass ones do not appeal to me as much as the die-cast. Odd, as I love brass locos in general.
Anyway. I have wondered if the GS-1 would ever get known. Now - will it ever get made? I am tempted, probably (?) by a painted one.
The TOFC cars look good. The "Mason-Dixon" name is very familiar.
MartyE posted:This is one of the highlights IMO. If this set doesn't sell well I have no answers.
A fantastic offering for us Postwar lovers.
Only one thing is missing; Magne-Traction
DaveSlie posted:Mikado 4501 posted:I'm very curious about the auxiliary water tenders. Are those derived from the J3a Hudson's? Are they prototypical? I would've thought that they would've used the tooling from the old L3a Mohawk tenders.
The CNJ Baron SD40 set is quite nice, though. Hopefully this run of the SD40's retains the nice look of the kinematic pilots that the 2015 run did.
They are not correct. The tenders shown in the catalog are from the NYC Hudsons that were just released and are too short. The correct tender should come from a NYC Mohawk. A correct tender is in the works from another source.
Dave, I know nothing about the prototype and would like to learn more. But, the catalog indicates they are 12” long which actually seemed big to me. How big should they be? I might get an undecorated one for use with other stuff.
Saw it. Watching grass grow is more exciting.
gunrunnerjohn posted:Can't read the catalog, I'll wait until I get to the store and get a paper copy.
If you want to take a look at mine when I stop by tomorrow for that Reading engine, I’d be happy to do so! There are a couple great deals and some that make me cringe... although I may still end up ordering a Vision engine anyway.
- Matt
VinceL posted:Several people have posted about "downloading" the catalog. Are you actually trying to download it or just view it?
Past catalogs have included an option to download the catalog as a PDF file. But, for some reason this catalog does not offer a download option. The 2020 AF catalog has a download option, but the 2020 Big Book does not.
I created a PDF of the catalog by selecting all pages to print and when the printer selection panel appeared, I selected "Save as PDF". This was on a Windows 10 machine. YMMV.
Note the change in the columnar page comparing the three features of LC, LC+ and LC 2.0 . In the 2019 Big Book, there were four columns, the fourth being for Legacy. LC 2.0 offers very little less than Legacy. In fact it is comparable to original TMCC. My question: How much longer will Legacy live, if LC 2.0 is nearly comparable?
MartyE posted:This is one of the highlights IMO. If this set doesn't sell well I have no answers.
I think the MSRP will be one answer why it may not sell as well as desired. Even with street price discounts.
I just received my hard copy of the catalog in the mail. All I can say is it is dominated by the GS series of steam and Christmas items. I might preorder one of the CSX ES44AC units for the military. The Amtrak E8’s are still the top choice. The Coors beer cars are nice and hopefully the rotary gondolas come to fruition.
These are the locomotives I wanted to see but I guess I will have to wait:
Norfolk Southern SD70ACC Yellow cab #1800
Norfolk Southern ACC6M DC/AC Black cab #4002
Norfolk Southern AC446M Blue cabs #4000 & 40001
Canadian Pacific SD70ACU military units (all 5)
SCL Diesels (pretty much anything scale)
Goody posted:Note the change in the columnar page comparing the three features of LC, LC+ and LC 2.0 . In the 2019 Big Book, there were four columns, the fourth being for Legacy. LC 2.0 offers very little less than Legacy. In fact it is comparable to original TMCC. My question: How much longer will Legacy live, if LC 2.0 is nearly comparable?
It's not comparable IMO. 200 speed steps, quilling whistle, lighting effects, to name a few. Unless somehow LC+2.0 can do everything Legacy does now then it can't compete.
The Vision Express set is on my list... if one of the engines is $2k why not spend a few dollars extra and get the best of the vision stock car and reefer sets plus 2 - PS-1 sound boxcars and a cupola cam. Seems like a no brainer to me...
I’m tempted the look at the GS-4 too with the dynamo smoke but if its going to be the same hassle to load the smoke unit as the challenger and the big boy then I won’t bother... b/c I hate not being able to confirm whether I’m actually getting the fluid in correctly so I just don’t use the feature... guess they’ll be a wait and see.
Also in for the Wings of Angels cars and the new PS-4’s with 40’ trailers. Love that they come of with some new paint schemes. A big fan indeed!
Also love the PE hobo car... really glad someone mentioned that there was a paint match issue with the last new release as I also have the 2014 series...
Overall, I think the catalog was a success and find myself once again checking under the couch cushions for the answer!
gunrunnerjohn posted:josef posted:The 0-6-0T. But surprise they added artist drawn smoke when it won't have smoke. Wonder how many will think it's also a smoker?
It's in the 2019 Volume 2 Catalog, and it states it has fan driven smoke. If it comes without smoke, it won't be coming home with me. Hard to believe the additional roadnames in the current catalog would suddenly omit a pretty important feature to probably a majority of folks.
John,
Calm down, it says right in the new catalog that it has "fan driven smoke"! People need to learn to read instead of rumor!
SGP posted:I will probably go for the Reading coaches because I have been hoping Jersey Central/Reading cars get made correctly. It is hard to stomach that price though.
I almost regretted stepping up to the plate for the five car set of SGL Reading cars recently, but they were still way less than the new Lionel version.
I’m definitely in for the Preamble Express set. The pricing is terrific compared to buying two two-car sets of AFT cars.
The O-6-0T is still advertised with fan driven smoke. Why I didn’t order the PRR version before is beyond me. But I will now.
I love the Lionel Lines GS4 way more than I should considering the price. I may order it and passenger cars.
- Matt
BHalfway posted:
Also love the PE hobo car... really glad someone mentioned that there was a paint match issue with the last new release as I also have the 2014 series...
The paint mismatch was the RPO car only. The passenger cars matched perfectly.
Grampstrains posted:Big Jim posted:"Elf work-train are interesting and will require careful review before committing to a pre-order"
So there is one good example of what I mean about the pricing! The set breaks down to right at $50 per each little bitty car! Something that should sell for half of that! Someone at Lionel is getting rich!
According to your math, that would make the track, the remote and the elves free.
I was speaking of the "4-Pack" add on at $199.99.
Gotta say I'm disappointed. So that's probably a good thing for my bank account.
PA Anthracite posted:The PPLX coalporters (rotary gondolas) originally listed in 2016, V2 are on page 80, along with a bunch of other road names. Surprisingly, they are listed at the same prices from 2016 - 4 pack for $279 and 2 pack for $139. Still a bit steep. If I remember right, sometime last year there was a post about production issues in Eastern Europe regarding this run of cars.
On page 78, there are 3 packs of 2 bay hoppers listed for $279. While I'd love to have the Ontario & Western set, these hoppers aren't worth $93.33 each. Unfortunately, O&W freight cars are far and few between.
The SD40-2s are offered in 054 again......not everyone has the room for that radius.
Well then at what radius should the scale SD40-2 should turn on? A scale SD40-2 is generous to turn on 054 curve.
Canadian Pacific SD70ACU military units (all 5)
I figured it was too soon after reading the announcement of these to expect to see them in O Gauge. But in the back of my mind this morning I was hoping Lionel would prove me wrong. Please please please let’s see these in Vol. 2.
NS1975 posted:I just received my hard copy of the catalog in the mail...
You had mail delivered today? (I assume you don't live in the USA since Martin Luther King Day is a holiday for US postal carriers.)
MartyE posted:BHalfway posted:
Also love the PE hobo car... really glad someone mentioned that there was a paint match issue with the last new release as I also have the 2014 series...
The paint mismatch was the RPO car only. The passenger cars matched perfectly.
Marty, I don’t believe there have been any later released passenger cars for the 2014 set (black roof) beyond the 2019 RPO which didn’t match. I’m not sure which cars you are referring to which “matched perfectly”. Maybe the new cars matched something (the bi-polar perhaps?), but there haven’t been any new black roof cars since 2014 beyond the RPO. Colors aside, the 2020 hobo car won’t match the 2014 cars either unless they move the lettering above the windows.
I noted with interest the various trademark declarations of the various fallen-flag IP holders at the bottom of some pages. Conspicuously absent were Norfolk Southern and in particular, Union Pacific.
Curiouser and curiouser...
znlor v'yy trg n orre obkpne be gjb.
--PCJ
MartyE posted:This is one of the highlights IMO. If this set doesn't sell well I have no answers.
Absolutely!
Rider Sandman posted:Marty, I don’t believe there have been any later released passenger cars for the 2014 set (black roof) beyond the 2019 RPO which didn’t match. I’m not sure which cars you are referring to which “matched perfectly”. Maybe the new cars matched something (the bi-polar perhaps?), but there haven’t been any new black roof cars since 2014 beyond the RPO. Colors aside, the 2020 hobo car won’t match the 2014 cars either unless they move the lettering above the windows.
Sorry I missed the 2014 reference.
They have SD40 diesel-electric locomotives in this catalog, not the longer SD40-2s. These are true O scale sized.
Put up a series of shelves against a long wall. Then add straight track with 054 and 072 switches on the shelves. That way you can run all of the longer O scale items.
Andrew
GS-1 for me. Along with the SP stock express set and Golden State passenger set. Probably several more pieces. Have to put together a budget. A painful catalog if you’re into SP.
-Brian
Valpac posted:GS-1 for me. Along with the SP stock express set and Golden State passenger set. Probably several more pieces. Have to put together a budget. A painful catalog if you’re into SP.
-Brian
I am fortunate not being a SP fan. My savings would have had a hard hit. I really like that GS-1.
This is a huge catalog with a LOT of product. The overwhelming amount of fantasy and licensed offerings is simply staggering and bewildering. Sadly,I could find absolutely nothing of interest this time around.
Overall, I would say that Lionel came out with a very good catalog. A few observations follow.
Great to see Lionel has followed MTH's lead by making their AA E8s with both engines powered. Not sure why they didn't do so previously. My Lionel E8s with the single powered unit had real challenges pulling long passenger trains up inclines.
Absolutely outstanding that Lionel has made the pivot that so many of us have been clamoring for the last couple of years and returned to making their scale freight cars with diecast metal sprung trucks and couplers with hidden uncoupling tabs. I will now commence buying their scale freight cars again. I particularly like the Vision reefer 3-packs, the 50' flatcars with 20' trailers, the milk cars and the 2-bay hopper 3-packs.
Someone at Lionel must really like the Southern Pacific. I happen to myself, but Lionel went way overboard with the Southern Pacific. There were far too many Espee engines and passenger cars covering 22 pages at the beginning of the catalog. When I first started reading it, I thought I was reading a Southern Pacific catalog.
Pat
Big Jim posted:gunrunnerjohn posted:josef posted:The 0-6-0T. But surprise they added artist drawn smoke when it won't have smoke. Wonder how many will think it's also a smoker?
It's in the 2019 Volume 2 Catalog, and it states it has fan driven smoke. If it comes without smoke, it won't be coming home with me. Hard to believe the additional roadnames in the current catalog would suddenly omit a pretty important feature to probably a majority of folks.
John,
Calm down, it says right in the new catalog that it has "fan driven smoke"! People need to learn to read instead of rumor!
I overlooked the 0-6-0. That is almost certainly a Gonna Get - why? Good model, well-made. I have 2 early conventional ones, TRO, and they will go on the sales table (when I can find them....). Now that the 0-6-0 has command, e-couplers and is TMCC-accessible, it becomes useful to me. I never got around to upgrading the early one, as it was a pain and kept getting pushed back.
GS-1? Maybe. 0-6-0 - yes.
Grampstrains posted:Big Jim posted:Grampstrains posted:Big Jim posted:"Elf work-train are interesting and will require careful review before committing to a pre-order"
So there is one good example of what I mean about the pricing! The set breaks down to right at $50 per each little bitty car! Something that should sell for half of that! Someone at Lionel is getting rich!
According to your math, that would make the track, the remote and the elves free.
I was speaking of the "4-Pack" add on at $199.99.
Normal disconnect cars are priced at 44.95. So if you add 5 bucks a car for a PE royalty, it's the same as always.
When I count the cars behind the engine, I get 5, not 4:
Am I missing something?
-Dave
Pre-Ordered B6 steam switcher today - looks decent.
This Area 51 set might be cool especially with the alien green lighted Fasttrack.
I think the SP loco proliferation tells us a number of things, particularly after listening to Ryan Kunkle on the Notch 6 podcast. One, Lionel has lots of existing tooling that makes this variety of GS locos practical and cost effective Two, production numbers with BTO can be relatively modest, and it doesn't cost much more to make 6 related locos than 6 of the same loco. Three, they can cancel anything for which there are inadequate order numbers. Four, there will be some folks who buy 3, 5 or more locos who would only buy one if only one model variation was offered. Five, there is at least one new feature (some cylinder steam effect) never before done that will entice some folks who already own a related product.
Listen to the podcast if you are interested. A different perspective than we can have as individual consumers.
PS--Beautiful locos but I'm not in the market. More likely to order the Area 51 set 
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I almost made it through the entire catalog until...scale Polar Express Flat Car with trailers....
Looks like a good day for Lima GS fans. Never on the N&W roster, so I have immunity.
D500 posted:GS-1? Maybe.
D, make sure you check out the crossheads before committing. 
Pete
I like the new Reading-style passenger cars.
Just FYI, Ro just released their price list. Whole range of less detailed standard O gauge freight cars for $34.95 for those who are particularly price sensitive. Thomas set is $149.95 for those with small children or grandchildren or very young at heart.
Once I eliminated the things that I have no interest in:
Anything scale
Anything Christmas
Anything licensed
Anything Halloween
Anything Plug n Play
the choices became easy. PRR F3’s.
Jon 
The Conrail T-1. It's interesting that they numbered it 2101 and not 2102; if there's any truth to the concept or the paint scheme, the road number would imply that a Conrail livery was under consideration BEFORE the Chessie Steam Special, or at least before the 1979 Roundhouse fire. I guess only Ross Roland knows the truth!
I also see that they retooled the trailing truck, which is good. But they're still using Boxpok wheels that aren't right for a T-1. (These were criticized in the 2016 production run, I think they were a holdover from the Milwaukee S-3.) I guess if it's a fantasy paint scheme, it doesn't matter if the wheels aren't correct!
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