Midwestern Modelworks - surpasses all models to date!

Erik,

 

I don't think people are hard on the other Erik.  Some ask questions and the replies are a mixture of condescension, insults, rudeness, etc.  I believe most of the animus was started when his wannabe entourage became so rude and judgmental.  A positive conversation would have been far more effective in creating warmer reception.

 

My opinion,

Jay 

The title is a little opinionated and not concise. Compared to?

I have models produced in Switzerland that would be pretty hard to compare anything too.

opinions are like....

Thanks JayC

Maybe --> Midwestern Modelworks SD45 - expected to surpass all prior SD45's.

I don't think people are hard on the other Erik.

Agree!  I hope that he actually succeeds and even delivers a model that meets expectations, or is at least close enough to not get nit-picked to death.

 

...his wannabe entourage....

Jay has such a nice flair with the language.

Well said Jay.  I think everyone here is pulling for Erik, unfortunately the thread got off to a bad start. You're right Erik L., the prices European collectors/operators pay for their models is a lot higher and there are some stunning non-American prototype models being built for the European market. Closer to home, look at many of the non-railroad 1/32 scale models offered and sold by Fine Art Models here in the states. Absolutely stunning in detail. Museum quality for sure. So, there is a market for finely detailed and totally accurate models for sure in all gauges. 

 

Butch

Jay has such a nice flair with the language.

 

Thanks!  Pretty good for a malfunctioning illiterate, huh?

 

Jay

I ordered a scale 2 rail N&W 1776 with .115 wheels.  Now to find someone to make decals or dry transfers for the N&W 1776 caboose.  Oh to do a hopper and trailer.   Shell Scale has the stuff in HO and N but won't answer concerning O scale decals.

 

I hope Erik hits a homerun thus encouraging others to step up to the plate.

In 0 scale ?  [ Or, if you will, in one of the 0 scales ? ]

 

Irrespective of scale, by whom ?

 

Best regards, SZ

 

Edited to add:  If they are not 0 scale, no need to post photos;  builder(s) and model(s) will suffice.

 

I suspect the Korean builders today are well aware of what the importers are charging for their products and I do not think their build pricing is very negotiable.JMO

Sunset / 3rd Rail doesn't seem to have a problem posting prices.

VGN:  I have the O-scale decals for the 1776 caboose.  Enlarging the HO Shellscale decals to O-scale will not correctly fit the OMI streamlined caboose. I already have the Bicentennial Hopper and Trailer.     Stephen

That's beautiful Stephen! Wow

And no one should complain about the prices going up faster that seems reasonable to them because of it.

Don't you mean close enough to get nit-picked to death.  Who would ever nit-pick any US O stuff that MTH makes?  The list of things they get RIGHT would be a very short list.

Thank you very much Erik for the complement, I appreciate it.

The decals cost almost a C note but is worth it.

 

 

VGN:I have two N&W 1776 caboose decal left..$20.00 each

I also have four N&W 1776 caboose misprint sets with the Norfolk and Western in blue instead of black lettering to you free. e-male me atcrineair at fuse dot net.

Stephen

Email on the way...........love to have the decals.

Thanks,

VGN64

the Koreans look at the importers' websites, see the (necessary) mark-up, and then price their next project higher accordingly

I would think they would look just out of curiosity.  I would also think the Koreans are smart enough to figure out a "fair" price to charge so that sales are made down stream.

 

By not knowing the price, I can't believe folks are actually placing orders.

It's faith, laddie, faith.....

I join the chorus - I sincerely hope MMW and Erik are wildly successful.  Our hobby is advanced by the addition of these kinds of models.

 

Erik is aware of the risks - there are some.

 

I think the problems we have here are when folks make assertions they cannot back up with facts, and then get challenged.

You are in blank checkbook territory!

I'm sure that anybody that is truly interested in this model has taken the unheard step (around here it seems anyway) of contacting the actual importer to find out the price. I"m sure there is a degree of faith involved as there isn't any track record yet, but I doubt it's truly blank check territory either.

 

The only people that don't yet know the price of these models within a small ballpark figure are those that aren't aware of their availability or those that don't care enough to contact the manufacturer and find out.

 

The distinction is between the public availability of pricing versus what can be obtained by asking the importer offline.

 

Jim

How do you guys get all these pre-orderers to remain silent?  After all, the more folks are tempted to reserve, the more likely the project will come to fruition, and the lower the price will be in the end.  This secrecy, in my opinion, is working to Erik's disadvantage.

 

Opinion, obviously.

I reserved my N&W 1776 and talking with people at NWHS about painting diagrams.

VGN: Glad your getting the NW 1776! You will one of the few to have NW bicentennial caboose to go with it. Stephen

I'm not sure if it's too late in the process or not but here's a contemporary SD45-2 EL paint scheme, (NS Heritage), that some EL fans may be interested in asking MMW about offering.

 

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2015/09/30-el-ns

 

 

John

Are they planning to sell these things factory painted?

That might be a bit more difficult for him to model, as the fuel tank was very special for the Erie-Lackawanna (note how the tank wraps upwards on both sides, were the main reservoirs would normally be). I seem to recall that the under frame might even be a bit longer than a "stock" SD45-2 (maybe an SDP-45-2 under frame?). 

The models are F/P when MMW first announced the SD-45 project all variants were offered for reservation, at this point in time I believe all versions that have received enough deposited reservations are scheduled to be built,I guess with this newest proto paint scheme from NS there could be enough reservations to get this model built money[deposits] talks at this point.JMO

 

His website specifically lists that model!

Because no one could be bothered to ask Erik directly I will answer for him. From his website;

...

We will be able to take limited reservations, but only locomotives from the list below and the road numbers already selected and posted under the “Models” button on the menu bar are available from this point forward. Please email with any questions.

 

So, No.  Now how hard was that?  But, if people contact him directly and say they they want to reserve some minimum number of unit #1700s it might be possible.   But "what about" threads are a waste.

 

 

 

 

 

Hi HW,

you are right about the EL's SD45-2 unique configuration, however NS1700-1705 were all originally purchased by the EL as such. They later went on to become part of Conrail and then on to NS as 1700 - 1705 where they are still in active service.

 

I emailed Erik at MMW to ask if they will be able to offer the SD45-2 in this EL Heritage paint scheme and he stated yes they can given the road name specific details are already accurate for both EL and NS, and yes... they come factory painted.

 

NS1700 along with 1701 and 1702 were downgraded to EMD's 16 cylinder 645E3 3000hp prime mover. NS1703-1705, much to their crankshaft's delight, were also downgraded to 3000hp but still retain their 20 cylinder 645E3 prime movers.

 

My modeling interests are Santa Fe all the way but I have to say I really like all these Heritage paint schemes Norfolk Southern has been turning out! So come on BNSF, it's time to follow suit! 

John

 

http://www.nsdash9.com/rosters/1700.html

 

 

The road specific details for EL ,NS, and the NS/EL SD45-2 #1700 Heritage unit details are all different from one another.

The Horns, ditch lights, air condition units, to name a few. The NS heritage EL SD45-2 can be added to the list but no one ponied up for the model.

Stephen

What I find interesting is that those on this forum for this NS/EL Heritage project, that Erik said he could do and only needs 3 deposits, have not even ponied up. So why bother to even bring up the project.

Stephen

So,,,,,you are now in charge of what subjects can and cannot be brought up here?

YES!

.....and there you have it!

"....and there you have it!"

 as rdunniii stated:

"So, No.  Now how hard was that?  But, if people contact him directly and say they they want to reserve some minimum number of unit #1700s it might be possible.   But "what about" threads are a waste." 

So I totally agree! Stephen

So Railpictures has a picture today of the newest NS heritage unit (1700) earning it's keep leading a trio of GEs through the fall foliage of Pennsylvania.  Made me wonder if anyone has actually reserved one from Midwestern.