Military train ?

Any time after 1952, until the M-60 was developed and fielded.

Thanks, To early for 1970ish era. Last question sorry I don't know tanks how about this one?

I'm not that familiar with modern armor, but the M-1A1 was fielded about 1976, the M-1A2 was fielded about 1986

Thanks for the help.

Dave Ripp

If you're trying to model a Cold War era train, then you can use the M-48 with all its modifications, and the M-60 ,( which was a direct development from the M-48 ), with all its modifications. 

Thanks, that's  the information that I was looking for. I'll have to google those models to see if I can find one. I liked these 2 because they were ready to go though I doubt they left the gun on like photo 2.

That last tank is an Abrams 1/56 model. Highly detailed. Did you build the cars? Where did you get them? they are gorgeous !!

Eliot

And don't forget the M-113 APC with ALL its modifications, and the M-151jeep, that should be impressive.

Scrapiron Scher posted:

That last tank is an Abrams 1/56 model. Highly detailed. Did you build the cars? Where did you get them? they are gorgeous !!

Eliot

There on eBay for $125 and $115 I was going to buy which ever one would fit my era but neither works for me. They are listed as O Gauge Custom Built Flat car w/TANK.

Clarence Siman posted:

And don't forget the M-113 APC with ALL its modifications, and the M-151jeep, that should be impressive.

Thanks, I'll look those up to.

Dave Ripp. posted:

What era would this tank fit?

The Army and the Marines used the M48s well into the 60s. Marines didn't phase out the 48s in their active force until after the Vietnam War. The reserves in the early 80s. As a note the Marines didn't start using the M1A1 until after gulf war one.

NYC -flat car & Universal Bren carrier MK II.

suzukovich posted:

Dave Ripp. posted:

What era would this tank fit?

The Army and the Marines used the M48s well into the 60s. Marines didn't phase out the 48s in their active force until after the Vietnam War. The reserves in the early 80s. As a note the Marines didn't start using the M1A1 until after gulf war one.

 

Thanks, great information from a veteran. Thanks for the information and your service.

BAR GP7 #63 posted:

NYC -flat car & Universal Bren carrier MK II.

Very cool!

Dave Ripp. posted:

Thanks, that's  the information that I was looking for. I'll have to google those models to see if I can find one. I liked these 2 because they were ready to go though I doubt they left the gun on like photo 2.

That's correct. The crew serve weapons would of been removed before rail heading.  Both tanks are in correct configuration with Turrets in travel lock position( Gun Tube facing the rear).  The M48 has the gun tube elevated, that's not correct. It should be even with the rear deck like the M1A1. Both tanks are secured correctly to the flat cars. Only issue is the chock blocks are missing on the M1A1. In real life both Tanks track would be overhanging on the sides of the flat car.  Flat car used for the M1A1 is doubtful as the M1A1 weight in excess of 70Ts

You may find this attachment handy  US Army Tiedown Handbook TE pam_55-19.pdf

suzukovich posted:

Dave Ripp. posted:

Thanks, that's  the information that I was looking for. I'll have to google those models to see if I can find one. I liked these 2 because they were ready to go though I doubt they left the gun on like photo 2.

That's correct. The crew serve weapons would of been removed before rail heading.  Both tanks are in correct configuration with Turrets in travel lock position( Gun Tube facing the rear).  The M48 has the gun tube elevated, that's not correct. It should be even with the rear deck like the M1A1. Both tanks are secured correctly to the flat cars. Only issue is the chock blocks are missing on the M1A1. In real life both Tanks track would be overhanging on the sides of the flat car.  Flat car used for the M1A1 is doubtful as the M1A1 weight in excess of 70Ts

You may find this attachment handy  US Army Tiedown Handbook TE pam_55-19.pdf

 

 

 

Great information thanks again.

Clarence Siman posted:

I'm not that familiar with modern armor, but the M-1A1 was fielded about 1976, the M-1A2 was fielded about 1986

This is incorrect. M1 was fielded to units towards the end of 1980 with units in Europe units receiving the first.   The M1A1 was fielded to units towards the end of 86 with once again Europe based units receiving them first .

For Modeling purposes in the 80s Europe, Korean M1s were in the NATO tricolor Camouflage. Stateside Units designated to reinforce both AORs Were also in the NATO Standard or 383 Green. This also included units supporting 18th Airborne Corp  with was designated to Support CENTCOM/3rd Army, Tanks would be repainted in theater once deployed. 

After Gulf war one and the end of the cold war. Units Designated to support CENTCOM/3rd Army equipment would remain in Dessert Tan 1st Cav, 2nd Armor Div/4th ID, 24 Mech/3rd ID and 3rd ACR,

After the invasion of Iraq pretty much everything state side was painted in Dessert Tan due to constant rotations to Afghanistan and Iraq. The exceptions were some Europe and Korean based units retained ether the NATO Tricolor or 383 Green. I believe also the units at FT Lewis  was a mixed bag of green and tan due to having also to support Korea. Lee could better answer that one as he was a Ft Lewis baby. I was stationed in Germany for most of my career. 1st Armor, 1st ID, E Co 51st In(ABN)(LRS) and SOCEUR. and for us it was also a mixed bag of tan, NATO Tri color and 383 green 

So in a nutshell anything after 2002 anything rail heading in the states Desert Tan would be correct. Only in the last two years are the tanks being repainted NATO Tri color or 383 NATO Green and that's coming out of rebuild.

This Website covers the M1  http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/abrams.htm

This covers the M48 and M60s   http://www.patton-mania.com/M4...tton/m48_patton.html

Check this out, two M1A1's on one flat car.

Special Built DODDX flats. Notice the 6 Wheel Truck and the I beam located underneath .

I just watched a video on YouTube of  couple of CSX locomotives pulling a string of those flatcars.  You're right those trucks have three axles each.  Has anyone ever produced those flatcars in O scale?

I should not be that hard. 80ft TTX kitbashed with heavy Weight trucks. The question is finding 1/48 scale M1A1s

I ordered 4 of the DOD flat cars from Atlas before I realized that there were only two road numbers offered. I also ordered a set of heavy weight trucks in a kit form from PSC as I couldn't find any others. All of this is still in boxes as I built a 3 rail loop and now I'm soldering wires adding lights all over a F40PH in G scale.

 I have many things on my to do list and as others become a priority, some things get shelved. The biggest mistake I made was not ordering the 6 car set of flats w/ Abrams from MTH. The second biggest was letting a set pass by when I wasn't ready for them still. Now they are scarce to say the least.

 I did get 2 of those cars and I'm thankful for the ones I got. They come with chains and look good enough for me.

I went with the Corgi die cast equipment, unfortunately the barrel is  fixed in the one position as opposed to being  down and  locked in the carriage.  

I don't now which armored tanks these are but picture shows chocks, chains and cables.  John in Lansing, ILL

John

Early WWII pic of Lee/Grant tanks most likely heading to port to be shipped to the Brits in North Africa. Besides the chock blocks and chains, note the 37mm gun in the turret is facing backwards or travel lock as it is called. The Lee/Grant main gun was in located on the right side front with limited elevation and forward facing only. 

suzukovich posted:

I believe also the units at FT Lewis  was a mixed bag of green and tan due to having also to support Korea. Lee could better answer that one as he was a Ft Lewis baby.  

Nah, all the mech units we had at Lewis in the 90s that went to Desert Storm all came form Europe and most of the heavy mech we had at Lewis had long been repainted to woodland camo before it returned to CONUS. We never had desert painted tracks there. Don't forget, Lewis got rid of all the tracks during the Stryker Program (which I was there from day one up to the point when the Strykers were leaving the factory, we had Canadian LAVs standing in for them and had turned in all the tracks sometime in 2000). I still have two track links from a Bradley, which was found in the weeds in the motor pool when we turned it over to the contractors working on HETs and interim vehicles. I still have it in the shed on my property, having used it for a doorstop in my office on active duty and when I left, I took everything I hadn't signed for other than my desk chair. I also still have a spent 105MM solid canister training round I used for a doorstop to the arms room, found outside the impact zone at Yakima once.

As for the M1A2, I first saw one at Aberdeen PG in 1998 and you could still smell the new paint. I never saw one in any of our Armored Battalions (I was in 3rd Brigade, 2nd ID, tasked as a 'fire brigade' unit to swoop into Korea if the North Koreans crossed the DMZ- our war plan was to defend the 2nd ID'd HQ and die in place until the remainder of forces from EUCOM could come in, which was very sobering to know this ahead of time), as we all had M1A1s.

As the Battalion master Driver officer (one of my many extra duties), I had to certified to drive everything the brigade had. I drag-raced a M1A1 against a Bradley in my motor pool against the Batt shop officer (a snotty little Citadel grad O-2) and left him in the dust. We had to maintain a battle-ready perfect example of one of everything the Brigade had, just in case.

Lee, what a small world we live in. I was in 3rd Brigade when it was in Germany and was moved from Mannhiem to Ft Lewis in the summer  and fall of 94( 3/77AR, 5/77AR, 4/8th Inf, 124th FSB, 12th EN  BN and 2/25 FA) . Instead of going with my Battalion 3/77AR, I was assigned to Brigade Rear D at Coleman Barracks pending transfer to 2nd Bde at the Rock ( Baumholder).  When I arrived at 3rd Bde 1st AD in 92, they had just been reflagged from 8th ID( Crazy Eight) . C Co3/77 was the only unit that was in Desert Storm and the tanks were never painted tan.  3/77AR and 4/8 inf were part of operation police call after the war. That's why you saw 8th ID combat Patches within the Brigade. From my friends that went to Lewis with the Bde  All though they fell under I Corp, they kept the 1st AR DIV designation until some time in 96 when they were reflagged 3rd Bde 2nd ID. Even smaller world due to politics and numbers game (Draw down one in Europe) those of us that were going to Baumholder or Frieburg(1st Bde) Our orders were changed to FT Hood where we discovered that about 300 of us disloyal 3rd Brigaders were exiled to and most of us were assigned to 2nd AR Div units. 1st NTC rotation Nov-Dec 94 was a huge reunion event for us. My 3rd NTC rotation was also a reunion event as 3rd Bde was arriving for their 1st rotation at NTC to recertify. Even smaller world I return home(Germany) to Vilseck in early 97and discover that a third of my BN 2/63Ar were either in 3/77 or 5/77 AR another reunion.  Currently the Brigade is now back in Germany with their STYKERS, but as 3rd ACR. So I must welcome you as a long lost brother as the brigade was a very close and tight knit group  Small world we live in.

Gosh you guys got some good memories. I can't even remember what kind of tank I hitched a ride on in 1967 , in Vietnam that run over a land mine that sent my flying through the air.  I only seen 4 regular tanks in my tour, and that was one of them. 

Larry

Larry Sr. posted:

Gosh you guys got some good memories. I can't even remember what kind of tank I hitched a ride on in 1967 , in Vietnam that run over a land mine that sent my flying through the air.  I only seen 4 regular tanks in my tour, and that was one of them. 

Larry

But your here and that's the great part. For me it started out with Antitank and personnel mines( Bosnia and Kosovo) then after 2003 VBEDs and IEDs.    Nothing like a white Toyota close behind me to this day still makes me uncomfortable.

Ha you are right. Certain memories do keep us on alert.

For me, its the sound of a Chinook.

Had a very nasty spin in one once.

Lee

We had a nasty name for then back then in the sixties.

But many improvements have been made according to my son who currently fly's them.

Look at me with all that hair ha And Jr with his much improve  $$it hook hee

Larry Sr. posted:

Lee

We had a nasty name for then back then in the sixties.

We called them the same thing you did.