Missing features on new VISION Baggage Car (lighting)

Exactly which baggage car is this? I can tell you that the themed “Experience The Union Pacific” baggage car I have got definitely has lighting. I believe that was cataloged in one or the other 2020 issue, but so were a whole lot of either baggage cars, including some in various road names that were designated VL.

I can’t believe for a minute that a VL baggage car would be made without lighting. Since most baggage cars from Lionel do have lighting, it sounds to me like yours is another factory “error” but it’s a big one.

I have an NYC vision baggage from the 1st run and it has lights

Here is mine

Yes, it has a center rail roller.  It has crew sounds that work.  It has an IR sensor.  Just not lights.  It has 4 rather small windows but it should still have lights.  The model I have is SP Daylight VISION Baggage Car.  Lionel  2027710

My earlier release vision line baggage car that went with the vision line Niagara has a light switch on the bottom

@LionelAG posted:

I finally took delivery of the new VISION Baggage Car from the 2020 catalogue.  The first one was sent back as it was damaged in shipping (on another thread).  The second one showed up in good shape (thanks for a quick turn around by Charles Ro) and I put it to work on the tracks.  Pretty much as advertised EXCEPT...

There are no LEDS on a high end passenger car!  The catalogue advertised it.  The box it comes in clearly states there are LED lights with capacitor.  First thing I noticed was no switch on the bottom for turning off the lights when I was doing the ENG ID.  Next, put it on the track and checking out the dialogue and, again, no lights.  I looked in the user manual and it clearly describes lighting functions with a switch on the bottom of the car.  The CAB2 shows controls for turning light on/off.

Anybody else seen this in a delivery?  Did I get a dud?  Has anyone taken delivery of the VISION Baggage Car and notice the same issue OR does yours have lights?

I think the car has marker lights.  I son't think lights on the inside.  The marker lights can be turned off and on with the CAB.

@LionelAG   Can you take and post a picture of the bottom of your car?

The owner's manual for this baggage car shows a switch for the lights near the run/prgrm switches.

Here's the link to the page I got this from

Vision Line Baggage Manual

@EscapeRocks posted:

@LionelAG   Can you take and post a picture of the bottom of your car?

The owner's manual for this baggage car shows a switch for the lights near the run/prgrm switches.

Here's the link to the page I got this from

Vision Line Baggage Manual

@EscapeRocks

I have the same manual you refer to that was shipped with the product.  No clearance lights.  No interior lights.  No lights period.  Just baggage car dialogue that does work.

I just got off the phone with Lionel support (yes, I actually got through and I sent over the pictures.  They said "yes" its supposed to have lights but the engineering team is going to review my case and "determine what to do".  As I said, disappointed but NOT the absolute end of the world.  I'm in sales and when you advertise a feature and don't deliver there should at least be some conversation that happens.  Again, LED lighting is also all over the product box so this is a screw up.  I'll let you know what happens when I hear back from Lionel.

Tim

Cool glad you got ahold.    They're good about investigating.  Just for giggles, have you tried moving the "Min/Max" switch on yours?    That's where the manual says the light switch is.

Hey Tim:  Also, want to be sure you know I wasn't doubting you.   I just like to have visuals and even basic info to see if I can help solve an issue.

All of my 21" NYC ESE cars have LED lighting

@LionelAG posted:

@EscapeRocks

I have the same manual you refer to that was shipped with the product.  No clearance lights.  No interior lights.  No lights period.  Just baggage car dialogue that does work.

I just got off the phone with Lionel support (yes, I actually got through and I sent over the pictures.  They said "yes" its supposed to have lights but the engineering team is going to review my case and "determine what to do".  As I said, disappointed but NOT the absolute end of the world.  I'm in sales and when you advertise a feature and don't deliver there should at least be some conversation that happens.  Again, LED lighting is also all over the product box so this is a screw up.  I'll let you know what happens when I hear back from Lionel.

Tim

What's in that hole in the bottom of the car? micro Switch?

@Engineer-Joe posted:

What's in that hole in the bottom of the car? micro Switch?

Ir sensor I believe for sensor track

@tom21pa posted:

Ir sensor I believe for sensor track

Correct.

@EscapeRocks posted:

Hey Tim:  Also, want to be sure you know I wasn't doubting you.   I just like to have visuals and even basic info to see if I can help solve an issue.

No worries.  Definitely bizarre issue.  I did a double/triple/quadruple take before I actually concluded I wasn't being an idiot.

my vision daylight baggage car also does not have interior lights i got it from TrainWorld a few weeks ago item# 2027710 as im looking at it now the features label on the box does not say anything about lighting which is a big odd

I pulled my SP visionline out of the box tonight. No lights and no switch. Better yet unable to program baggage car for ID so no sounds as well. Very disappointed in this item. Going back to dealer on Monday.

As a follow up...

Lionel Customer Service statement regarding the production VISION Baggage Cars:

"We apologize - ultimately this was a misprint in the catalog and on the label.  Lighting was not included due to the limited windows in the car."

I like the car still and will be keeping it BUT this is disappointing.  Anyone receiving one of these cars needs to be aware of this discrepancy.

Yup I messaged Dave on here he gave me the same response so something at this price point it would be nice to know exactly what you are getting

Just curious if you tried turning on the lights via the middle row buttons on the Legacy Command remote?  There is one on the right to turn them on and one in the middle to turn them off.  Page 11 of the manual.

Acknowledged by Lionel that these cars have no lights even though advertised to have them.  “Thanks Lionel”  

I just took delivery of the NYC VISION Baggage car from TrainWorld this Nov 2023.  It did come with the lighting switch and the package is clearly marked LED Lighting regulated by Capacitor. They are now selling for about $146.00 on special.

@Duncan H W Foster posted:

I just took delivery of the NYC VISION Baggage car from TrainWorld this Nov 2023.  It did come with the lighting switch and the package is clearly marked LED Lighting regulated by Capacitor. They are now selling for about $146.00 on special.

Did it actually have working lights?

My NYC vision baggage has light too

If it's a big deal, it should be pretty easy to install lighting.