@Bob Harris posted:minimum to get these imported is 18 months or longer.
Yah that’s more likely. ☹️☹️☹️
With the Eagle being announced, I bet there are some out there regretting passing on the MP E6 because there was no decent passenger cars. Well perhaps now those that missed the MP E6 Need To Email Scott !!!! to do an E6 run 2. We’d need a whole rerun as MP E6 stand alone run would never fly. Perhaps a short E6 run 2 can be added to the EA, E1 run.
Let’s push for A E6 run 2 !!!!!!
or maybe scott could add M&P Eagle set to the existing E-1 run he has presently going. it would be just a matter of adding another paint scheme to the already Santa Fe and B&O ones.
i know they were E-3's instead of E-1's but don't think they were that much different. maybe somebody more knowledgeable could comment on that.
Actually, E3's and E1's were a lot different.
The only thing the same, inside or out was the windshield and the truck side frame castings. Even the type of roller bearings was different.
But, it was a good thought.
Aztec Eagle fans. If you want to see an “extra” NDM 10-6 sleeper you need to step up and email Scott!!! I’ve asked him for this but he will need to see support/commitment to add it to the Eagle offerings. These cars made it into St. Louis Union Station So they would be cool to have in a MP consist. They’d also be nice for those that bought the NDM F3. If those people can commit, I think it could go. It won’t happen if Scott just Gets “crickets”.
well i am serious and have reservations in for a set of mopac eagle cars, a couple of texas pac cars and a would get a couple of NDM sleepers if offered. also just nailed a nice mth e6 aba set of engines to pull consist with. they will be on their way to bruk for mod to tmcc control. now can only hope the cars dont get cancelled for lack of interest !!!! oh well nothing ventured, nothing gained.
@TrainBub posted:Aztec Eagle fans. If you want to see an “extra” NDM 10-6 sleeper you need to step up and email Scott!!! I’ve asked him for this but he will need to see support/commitment to add it to the Eagle offerings. These cars made it into St. Louis Union Station So they would be cool to have in a MP consist. They’d also be nice for those that bought the NDM F3. If those people can commit, I think it could go. It won’t happen if Scott just Gets “crickets”.
Sent an email to Scott stating my interest in the NDM sleepers. Added interest in NDM domes/coaches as well. Hopefully enough interest is there to get them produced.
My parents took the train from Fort Worth to Mexico City in the late 1930’s. Dad took 8mm movies but not Quite enough train ones. My best guess is that they rode the Eagle under discussion. Would the NdeM sleepers have been standards or streamline? Dad took me to see the Valle de Mexico roundhouse in 1963. Me met up with a Fort Worth Railfan, Ed McLaughlan, who set us up on a tunnel entrance north of Mexico City. I have 8mm movies of an F unit powered passenger train which was mixed streamline and standard cars. I even have a movie of one of the NdeM 4-8-0s. My youngest daughter keeps promising me she will put these on YouTube for me. I saw one of the Aztec Eagle steamers in the roundhouse which was I think a 4-8-4. We also rode the narrow gauge from Mexico City to Cuatla. I got off the train when we stopped at a passing siding to let a rock train go buy. I and another railfan got up on top of a cut to film the rock train... as soon as it cleared the up track switch our train hiballed and we were cut off from it. We ran to catch up the older railfan caught up but I (13) was left in the dust. The conductor on the rock train saw the whole thing, plugged in his phone to call the uptrack station to hold our train. They ditched their freight consist and put me in the caboose and ran tender forward to the next station where I was reunited with my frantic mom and dad. I’ll never forget my parents’ generousity for indulging me like that.
@Griff Murphey posted:My parents took the train from Fort Worth to Mexico City in the late 1930’s. Dad took 8mm movies but not Quite enough train ones. My best guess is that they rode the Eagle under discussion. Would the NdeM sleepers have been standards or streamline? Dad took me to see the Valle de Mexico roundhouse in 1963. Me met up with a Fort Worth Railfan, Ed McLaughlan, who set us up on a tunnel entrance north of Mexico City. I have 8mm movies of an F unit powered passenger train which was mixed streamline and standard cars. I even have a movie of one of the NdeM 4-8-0s. My youngest daughter keeps promising me she will put these on YouTube for me. I saw one of the Aztec Eagle steamers in the roundhouse which was I think a 4-8-4. We also rode the narrow gauge from Mexico City to Cuatla. I got off the train when we stopped at a passing siding to let a rock train go buy. I and another railfan got up on top of a cut to film the rock train... as soon as it cleared the up track switch our train hiballed and we were cut off from it. We ran to catch up the older railfan caught up but I (13) was left in the dust. The conductor on the rock train saw the whole thing, plugged in his phone to call the uptrack station to hold our train. They ditched their freight consist and put me in the caboose and ran tender forward to the next station where I was reunited with my frantic mom and dad. I’ll never forget my parents’ generousity for indulging me like that.
Pretty cool experiences !!!
My sources are limited but I think NDM Aztec Eagle had heavyweight coaches up front and heavyweight sleepers in rear, MP car(s?) in center. I don’t know when MP cars went streamline. NDM did later upgrade sleepers to streamline by purchasing 10-5 (I think) and 10-6 (definitely) Sleepers from NYC. I believe this was in the 60s. So they’d possibly/probably be seen With MP Jenks blue cars by then.
I welcome better knowledge of these details.
AztecEAGLE fans. Scott’s just placed NDM 10-6 sleeper on the Eagle reservations page as an extra car !!!! Time to step up and reserve to make sure this gets done. Those that ordered NDM F3s - this starts a consist for you !!! MP fans - these made it to St Louis Union Station
thanks Scott !!!!
🙂🤗😊😆😃🙃😜
Sorry to expose my ignorance is that NdeM sleeper streamline or a standard?
Streamline.
@TrainBub posted:AztecEAGLE fans. Scott’s just placed NDM 10-6 sleeper on the Eagle reservations page as an extra car !!!! Time to step up and reserve to make sure this gets done. Those that ordered NDM F3s - this starts a consist for you !!! MP fans - these made it to St Louis Union Station
thanks Scott !!!!
🙂🤗😊😆😃🙃😜
Just ordered 2 to add to my Mopac set! Appreciate Scott adding these so quickly.
These NDM 10-6 are streamlined and ran all the way to St. Louis. They were bought from NYC. SO COOL to be able to add them to the MP consist. Before streamline upgrading, the NDM sleepers were heavyweights. I don’t have references if heavyweights made it into St. Louis. The heavyweights were on the Aztec Eagle for sure as were heavyweight coaches. When Scott does a heavyweight coach run we need to get the NDM coaches as part of that run.
Cheers 🙂👍👍👍👍
@vash44 posted:Just ordered 2 to add to my Mopac set! Appreciate Scott adding these so quickly.
This drives me to now have to reserve a F3 2nd run NDM. Now can be part of the Eagle “Empire”. Now I have to hope there ends up being enough run 2 NDM reservations. It’s always something 😳😑
Here’s hoping reservations are are coming in. We’ve two beautiful consists to consider and a nice batch of extras that includes Penn and NDM 10-6 thru sleepers. Now - Just to stir the pot a Bit. Is there Anyone Else out there besides me that would Love to See some Jenks Blue EXTRAS ??? These would allow us to Also model later Eagles !!!! These are contemporaneous with the NDM extra. Great JB extras would be baggage (think mail trains), coach, dome (yes prototypical in JB), and 10-6. This may be our ONLY CHANCE EVER to get models of these cars in Jenks Blue in “O”.
Scott. It’s just different paint and lettering of cars already in set !!!!! This can add numbers to run total to get offering to fly.
Please email Scott to Voice your interest ! Cheers !!!!!!
Trainbub
Does anybody know if the T&P or MP $2300 8 car set is brass or is it plastic?
@Griff Murphey posted:Does anybody know if the T&P or MP $2300 8 car set is brass or is it plastic?
Aluminum.
like to know how you can get a riveted car side with Aluminum ? All MP are ACF riveted cars , with the chrome molding above and Below the windows his is a must have feature, Scott still is to much in the dark on this project for me to jump in and order.
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@Bob Harris posted:like to know how you can get a riveted car side with Aluminum ? All MP are ACF riveted cars , with the chrome molding above and Below the windows his is a must have feature, Scott still is to much in the dark on this project for me to jump in and order.
We all have different expectations. Sorry you’ve decided this won’t meet yours. This offering will be wonderful as far as I’m concerned as it will replace my quite nice, ordinary, and perhaps generic MTH premier MP 5 car set. I see it as a Very Serious Upgrade - even if it’s not riveted. I look forward to its future delivery and my enjoying it.
Cheers !!! 🙂
All good points Bob and I am throwing this out just for discussion mostly for another project for Scotts E6’s.
At roughly $300 a car, I don’t think you will get the riveted detail you correctly pointed out. On the flip side, there are now MP E6’s with no real consist to pull. So the options for engine owners are as follows:
1: Buy this set and understand the details will have to be “close enough” with correct paint. You at least have something to pull with the E6’s
2: Build your own in brass or plastic if you have the time, talent and money as going this route will probably cost more than $300 per car.
3: Do nothing and wait to see if someone manufactures a set with more or acceptable level of detail.
4: Sell your engine’s and move on to another railroad to model.
In my case, and I am only speaking for myself, I am ok with “close enough” on the details on Streamline cars so long as the paint is correct. I do believe that correct paint is more important for my visual concern as an operator. If the details were spot on and the paint was not accurate, that would cause me more concern. Of course, correct paint AND correct details would be the best, but as I said, you will be much more than $300 per car in cost.
The last E6 run has some really nice engines produced with no passenger cars to haul around (IC, C&NW and UP) just to name a few. While there is another option for the C&NW cars (build your own from a kit), there is not an option for all the others, unless you operate ATSF, SP, NP, PRR or Milwaukee Road - I may have missed a few.
Where this brings us to today is, we as consumers of Scotts products might have a chance to purchase a less than perfect/accurate set of cars for our engines at a fairly reasonable price but will have to live with the understanding that there are some limitations. I’m hoping that there are more people with this same line of thinking so this and other projects can move forward and not get stalled due to lack of customers.
Charlie
I’ll pull my T&P with Lionel F-7s; we will see if we ever get an apropos T&P E unit.
My dream - likely never to be realized -would be a pre streamline era T&P P-1 pacific. Or a TP mountain. Dreaming -sigh.
Well I had to pass on the Texas & pacific 2~10-4 Scott gave us !!!! And regret it every day . not so with these cars. I know Scott will give the best that can be made. Nobody else will give us them. So let’s support him and get your reservations in.
@Griff Murphey posted:I’ll pull my T&P with Lionel F-7s; we will see if we ever get an apropos T&P E unit.
My dream - likely never to be realized -would be a pre streamline era T&P P-1 pacific. Or a TP mountain. Dreaming -sigh.
Talk to Harry!! He will be repainting a Lionel E6 and PA engines for me. The E6 will be in T&P motif and PA will be in Mopac scheme. He has the correct decals for each road. Wings and all. Ain’t life grand!!!!
I just put my 610 on the track have a visiting brass hat coming over. Backing it hit a bad Fastrak rail joint. Scared me! Moving right to left this jink stopped her cold.
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Here is sampling of what Scott has offered / produced to date (MP TP had no PA, E8 “B” units)
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@tangoman posted:Talk to Harry!! He will be repainting a Lionel E6 and PA engines for me. The E6 will be in T&P motif and PA will be in Mopac scheme. He has the correct decals for each road. Wings and all. Ain’t life grand!!!!
Oops my mistake. According to my research inStouts book T&P had no E6’s. Only E7, E8, & F7’s. So my E7 will be going to Harry for conversion
@Bob Harris posted:like to know how you can get a riveted car side with Aluminum ?
Well, I'm sure it could be done...even credibly...with Archer Transfers' rivet detail decals...at the time of manufacture and certainly before painting/finishing....which would be something 3rd Rail would have to do...at a premium price, I would predict...at a risk of being a reservation breaker for those more willing to compromise...as is more often accepted than not with MTH/Lionel offerings.
Of course, in this world of advances in computer-controlled manufacturing techniques, it would be great if there were a 'dot-jet' printer machine tied to a high speed 2-axis table or printing head just for situations like this. Material?....anything that would give a durable bond to a parent or treated aluminum/brass surface. Streamline, heavy weight passenger cars...freight cars galore...I can think of a lot of applications a manufacturer like 3rd Rail could use to merge the best structural material and a printable 3D surface feature material that would be more versatile, less costly than hard tooling. Or maybe a prep coat or sealcoat that would improve the bond integrity/durability of such printed detail?
BTW...I believe Scott Mann and his team do the due diligence for details better than most manufacturers in this hobby. It certainly is a benefit to him to know all the subtle details, such as these rivets, that drive make-or-break decisions for a firm reservation. In the end, however, there probably will be compromises in the interest of keeping cost/pricing under control...to ensure viable production quantities. I often wonder how many of us wish for a 2nd...or 3rd?...run of an item because of regret for not accepting such compromises or assurances on the first run?
TEHO
KD (a.k.a. Lucas Gudinov)
@Charlie posted:All good points Bob and I am throwing this out just for discussion mostly for another project for Scotts E6’s.
At roughly $300 a car, I don’t think you will get the riveted detail you correctly pointed out. On the flip side, there are now MP E6’s with no real consist to pull. So the options for engine owners are as follows:
1: Buy this set and understand the details will have to be “close enough” with correct paint. You at least have something to pull with the E6’s
2: Build your own in brass or plastic if you have the time, talent and money as going this route will probably cost more than $300 per car.
3: Do nothing and wait to see if someone manufactures a set with more or acceptable level of detail.
4: Sell your engine’s and move on to another railroad to model.
In my case, and I am only speaking for myself, I am ok with “close enough” on the details on Streamline cars so long as the paint is correct. I do believe that correct paint is more important for my visual concern as an operator. If the details were spot on and the paint was not accurate, that would cause me more concern. Of course, correct paint AND correct details would be the best, but as I said, you will be much more than $300 per car in cost.
The last E6 run has some really nice engines produced with no passenger cars to haul around (IC, C&NW and UP) just to name a few. While there is another option for the C&NW cars (build your own from a kit), there is not an option for all the others, unless you operate ATSF, SP, NP, PRR or Milwaukee Road - I may have missed a few.
Where this brings us to today is, we as consumers of Scotts products might have a chance to purchase a less than perfect/accurate set of cars for our engines at a fairly reasonable price but will have to live with the understanding that there are some limitations. I’m hoping that there are more people with this same line of thinking so this and other projects can move forward and not get stalled due to lack of customers.
Charlie
Quite eloquently said / summarized. 👍
Could you please give contact info for “Harry?”
@dkdkrd posted:Well, I'm sure it could be done...even credibly...with Archer Transfers' rivet detail decals...at the time of manufacture and certainly before painting/finishing....which would be something 3rd Rail would have to do...at a premium price, I would predict...at a risk of being a reservation breaker for those more willing to compromise...as is more often accepted than not with MTH/Lionel offerings.
Of course, in this world of advances in computer-controlled manufacturing techniques, it would be great if there were a 'dot-jet' printer machine tied to a high speed 2-axis table or printing head just for situations like this. Material?....anything that would give a durable bond to a parent or treated aluminum/brass surface. Streamline, heavy weight passenger cars...freight cars galore...I can think of a lot of applications a manufacturer like 3rd Rail could use to merge the best structural material and a printable 3D surface feature material that would be more versatile, less costly than hard tooling. Or maybe a prep coat or sealcoat that would improve the bond integrity/durability of such printed detail?
BTW...I believe Scott Mann and his team do the due diligence for details better than most manufacturers in this hobby. It certainly is a benefit to him to know all the subtle details, such as these rivets, that drive make-or-break decisions for a firm reservation. In the end, however, there probably will be compromises in the interest of keeping cost/pricing under control...to ensure viable production quantities. I often wonder how many of us wish for a 2nd...or 3rd?...run of an item because of regret for not accepting such compromises or assurances on the first run?
TEHO
KD (a.k.a. Lucas Gudinov)
Many times but mostly because of prior financial commitments. One can only hope for a second run or it comes up on the market.
@tangoman posted:Gorgeous, anyone want to sell either one, let me know.
I have 3 of the only 15 2 10 4 2 rail done in the T&P. If you want one to buy one.
I am asking 2850 includes shipping.
@Bob Harris posted:I have 3 of the only 15 2 10 4 2 rail done in the T&P. If you want one to buy one.
I am asking 2850 includes shipping.
Alas I only have 3 rail layout. Thanks though
Be interesting to know the 2-10-4 3rail - 2rail splits in the different versions of green, black in service, Freedom, Southern excursion (if I remember correctly) and CNW. I believe 125 Total.
Not many of each for sure !!!!!
A friend in Big Spring, Tx bought a 3 rail in the Light Russian green; he inquired and was told there were only about a dozen 3 rail made in what we consider correct (not museum) colors and T&P livery.
Another stir of the EAGLE pot.
B&O didn’t run 10-6 sleepers on MP. That’s why there is no reservation spot for that. They DID run 10-5s. Actually so did Penn (in addition to 10-6). Anyone out there want 10-5s as extras for the consist ??? We need this B&O car and if that , why not the Penn also ???? As usual, both of these are in MP colors. And yes, it’s prototypical.
(and don’t miss reserving the NDM 10-6 extra. It only shows up on the reservation page. It’s Not in MP colors so is a cool stand-out car.)
Email Scott if you WANT these 10-5s !!!!
Cheers
TrainBub
I wish Scott would get with the program and get that Observation off the description. It is not correct for the Eagle train in either version. They never ran that car, it is correct only for the Missouri River Eagle and its train 1939.
Both MP and T&P only ran the Pullman Dome coach I can give him a photo of a 3000 dollar O scale custom built brass model to replace it Lettered for I G N # 896 in the Eagle Blue and Gray.
It would be more of what he is going to make. The way it is now to me is misleading.
BH
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@Bob Harris posted:I wish Scott would get with the program and get that Observation off the description. It is not correct for the Eagle train in either version. They never ran that car, it is correct only for the Missouri River Eagle and its train 1939.
Both MP and T&P only ran the Pullman Dome coach I can give him a photo of a 3000 dollar O scale custom built brass model to replace it Lettered for I G N # 896 in the Eagle Blue and Gray.
It would be more of what he is going to make. The way it is now to me is misleading.
BH
Scott stated on website that he wants customer input for consist revisions and to “sit tight”. I hope he’s getting feedback. Yes observation car is not prototypical for the Eagle but if big majority want the observation car, that’s what he will do. I prefer it not to be there too but I’ve still reserved a MP 8 car set. What I HAVE DONE is also reserve the MP and T&P extra 5 BR - Lounge cars. With no observation car in the consist, these cars were a nice option for passengers beyond the diner or grill/chair cars.
I hope the 14-4 and 14-2-1 get added to the extras list (these 2 have same exterior but diff insides - easy do for Scott). I’d like to see at least one extra IGN car and perhaps a STL B&M car. I’m greedy and only names/numbers differ but our list of wants get quickly long. I want some Jenks cars too !!! This is likely our only chance of seeing well done EAGLE cars / consist !!!!
Email Scott what you want !!!!!!!!!!
