Mohawk loco

Garrett76 posted:

I really like the look of that 4-8-2 NYC Water Level Mohawk with the water tank or whatever it is up on the nose.  I think Lionel made one a few years ago.  Did MTH ever put one out?

Thanks

I don't know if they did or not, but I am just getting ready to list my Lionel Legacy 6-11411 NYC Mohawk #2791 for sale if you are interested.

Garrett76 posted:

I really like the look of that 4-8-2 NYC Water Level Mohawk with the water tank or whatever it is up on the nose.  I think Lionel made one a few years ago.  Did MTH ever put one out?

Thanks

If your are asking about SCALE size models, only Lionel has offered the earlier versions of the NYC Mohawk with the Elesco Feedwater Heater "tank" up on top of the smokebox, ahead of the stack.

That "tank" is part of the Elesco feedwater heater system.   Water is pumped through pipes in the cylindrical chamber and is heated by exhaust steam from the cylinders before injecting to the boiler.  Condensed steam is piped back to the tender.

Preheating the water increases locomotive efficiency.

Rusty

Lionel did three runs of the L2a Mohawk in five cab numbers. The bodies are identical only the electronics differ. First was a solo offering with RS4, then two with RS5, and finally two with Legacy. They all have Odyssey speed control.

I believe 3rd Rail is taking orders on L2s both with and without the feed water heater.

MTH has done L3s and L4 Scale Mohawks as well as Railking, too many to list.

3rd Rail has done a couple of L3 Mohawks. The L3s and L4s were produced for the NYC during the time they were trying to clean up the look of their steam power so the feedwater heaters are there but mostly covered up.

Pete

"I really like the look of that 4-8-2 NYC Water Level Mohawk with the water tank or whatever it is up on the nose."

You know that the world is full of books on steam locomotives - Model Railroader's Steam Locomotive Cyclopedia has to be the place to start and is still in print, now and again - that will explain much of what you are seeing on the engines. This is the best part of this hobby.

These books enable you to know that it is not a "water tank on the nose", but rather an Elesco (from the "Locomotive Superheater Company", or "L S Co") "feed water heat exchanger on the smokebox front". Knowing many of these things is part of the fun. 

BTW - I agree; the NYC Ls-2 with the Elesco is a great-looking machine. Lionel's model is a good one, excusing the too-small leading truck wheels (correctible). 

That is one of the best models that Lionel has done and is one of my favorites. I own 6-11412 from a few years back.

Careful buying old Lionel Mohawks. Watch out for the Lionel 6-18001 and 18003. These are the infamous made-in-China-with-the wrong-wheel-bearings locos. This was all detailed in a back issue of OGR and is currently available for download in OGR's Best of Barrett series. Lionel used the wrong wheel bearings during assembly. The fix is painful and not for the general public. Barrett identified the problem and identified the correct Lionel bearing part numbers that need to be used for replacements. I have one of these in the box that I would cheerfully let go for $100 plus shipping--for someone who likes a challenge. Nice looking shelf queen.

Oddly, Lionel never admitted the mistake and never issued a recall as far as I know.

Don

Don Merz 070317 posted:

Careful buying old Lionel Mohawks. Watch out for the Lionel 6-18001 and 18003. These are the infamous made-in-China-with-the wrong-wheel-bearings locos. This was all detailed in a back issue of OGR and is currently available for download in OGR's Best of Barrett series. Lionel used the wrong wheel bearings during assembly. The fix is painful and not for the general public. Barrett identified the problem and identified the correct Lionel bearing part numbers that need to be used for replacements. I have one of these in the box that I would cheerfully let go for $100 plus shipping--for someone who likes a challenge. Nice looking shelf queen.

Oddly, Lionel never admitted the mistake and never issued a recall as far as I know.

Don

Neither of those two are Mohawks

BRIAN WHITE posted:

Don Merz 070317 posted:

Careful buying old Lionel Mohawks. Watch out for the Lionel 6-18001 and 18003. These are the infamous made-in-China-with-the wrong-wheel-bearings locos. This was all detailed in a back issue of OGR and is currently available for download in OGR's Best of Barrett series. Lionel used the wrong wheel bearings during assembly. The fix is painful and not for the general public. Barrett identified the problem and identified the correct Lionel bearing part numbers that need to be used for replacements. I have one of these in the box that I would cheerfully let go for $100 plus shipping--for someone who likes a challenge. Nice looking shelf queen.

Oddly, Lionel never admitted the mistake and never issued a recall as far as I know.

Don

Neither of those two are Mohawks

IIRC those were the first big near scale Northerns and it had something to do with the motor shaft to gearbox bearing.

Doug N posted:

Garrett76 posted:

I really like the look of that 4-8-2 NYC Water Level Mohawk with the water tank or whatever it is up on the nose.  I think Lionel made one a few years ago.  Did MTH ever put one out?

Thanks

I don't know if they did or not, but I am just getting ready to list my Lionel Legacy 6-11411 NYC Mohawk #2791 for sale if you are interested.

Thanks, but have to pass

What I really liked about the Mohawk Water Level Set, besides the loco, was the double sheathed Michigan Central / NYC boxcar. Surprised Lionel didn't offer a separate sale of that car along the way.

Arthur posted:

What I really liked about the Mohawk Water Level Set, besides the loco, was the double sheathed Michigan Central / NYC boxcar. Surprised Lionel didn't offer a separate sale of that car along the way.

I was on the hunt for one of those forever and just gave up. Would love to see it come around again. I have the B&M hopper and NYC cab from the set. Should have just bought the set but had previously bought the 6-11412 Mohawk.

Don Merz 070317 posted:

Careful buying old Lionel Mohawks. Watch out for the Lionel 6-18001 and 18003. These are the infamous made-in-China-with-the wrong-wheel-bearings locos. This was all detailed in a back issue of OGR and is currently available for download in OGR's Best of Barrett series. Lionel used the wrong wheel bearings during assembly. The fix is painful and not for the general public. Barrett identified the problem and identified the correct Lionel bearing part numbers that need to be used for replacements. I have one of these in the box that I would cheerfully let go for $100 plus shipping--for someone who likes a challenge. Nice looking shelf queen.

Oddly, Lionel never admitted the mistake and never issued a recall as far as I know.

Don

I'm confused.  6-18001 is a Rock Island 4-8-4 and 6-18003 is a D,L&W 4-8-4.  I had one 6-18009 which was an NYC L-3 Mohawk, possibly the product of Mike Wolf when he worked at Lionel.  It ran well, sounded good and never gave me a bit of trouble in the ten years I had it.    John in Lansing, ILL

I've got the undecorated Legacy model that looks and runs great.  BTW the smoke unit fan that had been replaced was so much easier to do than a diesel.

Yep..the 4-8-4s are somewhat maligned, not to scale Northerns, 6-18001 and 6-18003.

The older Mohawk versions like the #3000 6-18009, and the #3005 (with smoke lifters) 6-18064 are pullmor-powered, scale, detailed roughly equivalent to Bachmann/Williams models...rugged, but no speed control, however the 6-18064 does have tmcc...these engines share the same drivetrain with the Reading T1 of the same era...

However, these Mohawks are not to the detail, drive, or electronic's of the later versions. 

A few people have these upgraded by Timko with a can motor,  which then allows addition of speed control and other goodies...operators choice on that.

Doug N posted:

Garrett76 posted:

I really like the look of that 4-8-2 NYC Water Level Mohawk with the water tank or whatever it is up on the nose.  I think Lionel made one a few years ago.  Did MTH ever put one out?

Thanks

I don't know if they did or not, but I am just getting ready to list my Lionel Legacy 6-11411 NYC Mohawk #2791 for sale if you are interested.

Doug,

I have the RS 4 and a RS 5 version of the Lionel L2a. They are the “STEAMEAST” looking steam engines I own , and I have a  good many steam engines.

Please let me know your asking price for your Legacy L2a.

My email address is in my profile.

 Thanks,

Richard