MTH CATALOG IS ONLINE!!!! WHAT ARE YOU GETTING?

Severn posted:

I like the ALP-46 and corresponding bombardier passenger cars ... which to me look different and unusual.  Perhaps it's been offered before but it is new to me.  I like the Traxx and Taurus on the european side.  Well surprise, these all look similar...   The longer american freight engine I like because at 19.5" ... it's longer than my SD70ace.

Btw someone posted above about control systems.  I have both.  One I bought new, the other used.  Something like colgate and crest... they both work & do about the same thing, flavors very a little, packaging, ... 

And just to round it all out:  it's on my x-mas wish list to get a DCC control system... 

I would get the Taurus if it fit on O-36 track...I'd get a lot of the MTH European materials if they worked on O-36 track!

Finally!!! The New Jersey Transit items are here. I'm looking to get a re-release of the ALP-46 with matching double deckers in when they come out in the fall for my birthday at the time.

John C. posted:

Big_Boy_4005 posted:

John C. posted:

Goshawk posted:

John C. posted:

Big_Boy_4005 posted:

Oh crap, it looks like I'll be violating one of my long standing rules on this catalog. I'm going to break down and buy some MTH engines. They will all have to be converted to TMCC, so at some point I will have PS3 electronics for sale. Probably three units.

Gotta have the Northstar Rail set (one engine and all 6 cars), the CP and Soo MP15AC's, and just the Superliner phase IV add on coaches and sleeper to match my existing and beef up an Empire Builder set to a near proper consist (9 cars). I can live without the CP holiday train.

List is around 2K, early buy price around $1600 maybe. I passed on volume one.

Elliott:  

I hope that I'm not going to be sorry that I asked this....why wouldn't you just purchase a DCS less buying all the stuff you are going to have to buy and then sell the PS3 stuff???  Lots of folks have both the Lionel and MTH command....????

Have you seen the man's layout? I imagine it would be a little work to wire the layout for DCS!!!!

Yes I have.  All you do is cable the systems together.  Re-wire is not needed.

John, there is another reason. I'm going to be doing "live action" computer control. That means the computer can tell a train to start, stop, speed up, slow down, in real time. Nothing pre programmed, all based on track conditions ahead. That is not possible with DCS, because the command codes are not published as with TMCC/Legacy or even DCC. I have no desire to open that DCS can of worms. It is much easier to just change them out from the get-go. I may have to rethink those MP15's. Executive decision pending.

There is also a deeper philosophical reason having to do with Mike Wolf and his entry into the command market years ago. My grudge can last a long time, but my desire for some unique pieces has me on the fence.

Okay Elliott.  Thank you...that makes sense about codes...you are running a much more complex operation than me.  I attempt to keep everything as basic as possible for a number of reasons.  If the opportunity arises, I will hopefully one day be there with you to see it in action.  You have a spectacular project.  I'm hoping that one day it will be professionally recorded.  I will be the first one in line for a copy!

I MAY, MAY, break down and get the Lionel control as well myself.  I have told myself I will buy nothing but MTH PS3 DCS.  Thus far, I have stuck to it.  Hopefully, Lionel/Atlas won't come up with something I can't resist.  There is still a ton of MTH Premier engines I want to buy and they carry a lot of Great Northern, BN and BNSF (Yes Amtrak) all the roads in Marias Pass.

Gee John, it seems like we are on opposite sides of the same fence. Maybe the solution is to gut our new engines and trade electronics for our preferred systems. Win - win.

The Grand Trunk Western auto carrier and Burlington Northern auto carriers are on flat cars that are in the Post-1991 TTX scheme. I would rather get the ICG and FRISCO auto carriers on the TRAILER TRAIN flat cars.

Andrew 

I run DCS engines with my computer using the program posted in the DCS section. 

https://ogrforum.com/t...onnection-to-the-tiu

 

The RAILKING line has a SOO LINE flat car that has the paint scheme I wanted on a PREMIER flat car.

I will get GS-4 no. 4438 and perhaps some Union Pacific heavyweights, a C&O Allegheny and the C&O caboose.

Not much for me this time around...maybe a tuscan RK LIRR passenger car.

Nothing !! 

JDF posted:

This catalog to me was a disappointment. I was hoping to see the steaming whistle on more engines outside of the Bigboys...Lionel is killing MTH, quite literally, in all of the "bells and whistles".

 

Step it up MTH!  

Yea, BUT, the MTH "steaming whistle" far and away "out shines" the Lionel.

I like that they are re-releasing models with PS3 inside. There were some that I missed and others that I wanted upgraded.

SURFLINER posted:

JDF posted:

This catalog to me was a disappointment. I was hoping to see the steaming whistle on more engines outside of the Bigboys...Lionel is killing MTH, quite literally, in all of the "bells and whistles".

 

Step it up MTH!  

Yea, BUT, the MTH "steaming whistle" far and away "out shines" the Lionel.

Maybe, but I've still never seen an MTH engine with dynamo smoke...or a swinging bell. 

I get it that the vision line is not equal to the premier line and a better comparison is the Legacy Line v Premier. However, you can get most of those smoke features on the Lionel Legacy line. 

It's sad too because I want to love MTH more than Lionel. The MTH app is the future of ogauge/anygauge...just wish I could use it with trains with technology that has been around for five years now...

JDF posted:

SURFLINER posted:

JDF posted:

This catalog to me was a disappointment. I was hoping to see the steaming whistle on more engines outside of the Bigboys...Lionel is killing MTH, quite literally, in all of the "bells and whistles".

 

Step it up MTH!  

Yea, BUT, the MTH "steaming whistle" far and away "out shines" the Lionel.

Maybe, but I've still never seen an MTH engine with dynamo smoke...or a swinging bell. 

I get it that the vision line is not equal to the premier line and a better comparison is the Legacy Line v Premier. However, you can get most of those smoke features on the Lionel Legacy line. 

It's sad too because I want to love MTH more than Lionel. The MTH app is the future of ogauge/anygauge...just wish I could use it with trains with technology that has been around for five years now...

And another thing is that with each engine MTH releases without those features, I get the same feeling I have looking at a new vehicle in which the current model year is most likely the last of that body style. So if I buy that model year and the very next year they update the body style...then I'm locked into having a very new old looking truck...with less features and capabilities.

I think I would like the VO-1000 in Long Island and the Reading 4-6-2 Crusader steam engine. Of course the green Pennsy K4 Torpedo and the Pennsy RS3 would be nice as well.

Sign me up for the Amtrak Superliners in phase 3 paint. Also tempted to add the Daylight now that the sounds on MTH locos has greatly improved. 

Was thinking about the NJT GP40 but it says 042 curves. Anyone have an idea if it would take 036? I believe it would but wanted to be sure before I ordered it 

Big_Boy_4005 posted:

John C. posted:

Big_Boy_4005 posted:

John C. posted:

Goshawk posted:

John C. posted:

Big_Boy_4005 posted:

Oh crap, it looks like I'll be violating one of my long standing rules on this catalog. I'm going to break down and buy some MTH engines. They will all have to be converted to TMCC, so at some point I will have PS3 electronics for sale. Probably three units.

Gotta have the Northstar Rail set (one engine and all 6 cars), the CP and Soo MP15AC's, and just the Superliner phase IV add on coaches and sleeper to match my existing and beef up an Empire Builder set to a near proper consist (9 cars). I can live without the CP holiday train.

List is around 2K, early buy price around $1600 maybe. I passed on volume one.

Elliott:  

I hope that I'm not going to be sorry that I asked this....why wouldn't you just purchase a DCS less buying all the stuff you are going to have to buy and then sell the PS3 stuff???  Lots of folks have both the Lionel and MTH command....????

Have you seen the man's layout? I imagine it would be a little work to wire the layout for DCS!!!!

Yes I have.  All you do is cable the systems together.  Re-wire is not needed.

John, there is another reason. I'm going to be doing "live action" computer control. That means the computer can tell a train to start, stop, speed up, slow down, in real time. Nothing pre programmed, all based on track conditions ahead. That is not possible with DCS, because the command codes are not published as with TMCC/Legacy or even DCC. I have no desire to open that DCS can of worms. It is much easier to just change them out from the get-go. I may have to rethink those MP15's. Executive decision pending.

There is also a deeper philosophical reason having to do with Mike Wolf and his entry into the command market years ago. My grudge can last a long time, but my desire for some unique pieces has me on the fence.

Okay Elliott.  Thank you...that makes sense about codes...you are running a much more complex operation than me.  I attempt to keep everything as basic as possible for a number of reasons.  If the opportunity arises, I will hopefully one day be there with you to see it in action.  You have a spectacular project.  I'm hoping that one day it will be professionally recorded.  I will be the first one in line for a copy!

I MAY, MAY, break down and get the Lionel control as well myself.  I have told myself I will buy nothing but MTH PS3 DCS.  Thus far, I have stuck to it.  Hopefully, Lionel/Atlas won't come up with something I can't resist.  There is still a ton of MTH Premier engines I want to buy and they carry a lot of Great Northern, BN and BNSF (Yes Amtrak) all the roads in Marias Pass.

Gee John, it seems like we are on opposite sides of the same fence. Maybe the solution is to gut our new engines and trade electronics for our preferred systems. Win - win.

I'm very interested in the future possibilities; especially batteries powerful and durable enough to be contained in individual engines and a "common" command system capable of operating any manufacturers' engines on 2 rail track that you don't have to wire or clean!  I know some "G" scalers who currently have an internal battery and model airplane remote controls to run their layouts.

I'll probably be upset that all my current stuff will be junk, but that's the way it goes.  I have a fleet of HO stuff that I don't touch.  All of the engines are pre-command with NO sound.  I couldn't/wouldn't go back to that.  I remember when I was so intimidated by command systems and now I would NOT have a model RR without one!  I used to have to teach everyone who was willing how to run my layout the good old fashion way of throwing multiple Block control switches.  I'm glad those days are over for me.

"have a fleet of HO stuff that I don't touch.  All of the engines are pre-command with NO sound.  I couldn't/wouldn't go back to that. "

If there's room in the engine compartments, you may be able to retrofit DCC engine/sound decoders of the appropriate sizes to each or at least many with good results. There's seem to be a healthy cottage industry in this type of thing in the HO world.

One can find youtube vids of folks doing this sort of thing which must mean it's true! :-)

Batteries and DCC mix -- a few intrepid souls have figured out a way to send the DCC commands wireless while "spoofing" them into the a DCC decoder while taking battery power... pretty interesting stuff.

But in O, the engines tend to be heavy and the actual can motors draw quite a bit of current -- not to mention smoke units and so forth --  and not to mention that lionel and mth have a lock on proprietary control systems.   And so given all that & perhaps more -- batteries aren't making the same inroads as the others here.

(cue the folks now chiming in saying they've done it, it's easy, what's wrong with you...)

 

 

Nothing for me in the catalog.

I was most fascinated by the RailKing bay-window work caboose.

Is the MTH modeled after a specific railroad's work caboose? Which one(s)?

There is a Warwick Railroad Premier Boxcar. I am assuming (yes, I know) this is Warwick RI - but why does it have GATX on the side as the only reporting marks I can see. Page 115.

Any ideas or insight?

Paul

The CP Rail 4-bay cylindrical hopper would be good to have.

TM Terry posted:

I was most fascinated by the RailKing bay-window work caboose.

Is the MTH modeled after a specific railroad's work caboose? Which one(s)?

It's modeled after the HO Tru-Scale model from the 1960's.

Rusty

I'm buying the Union Pacific 5 car 70' smooth side passenger set. Item # 20-65294.  I will make a video,  do a review of the cars and run them around my layout.  That's all I'm getting. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...cw0r89KiU&t=130s

I've posted all my thoughts in this video. 
I'm personally excited for the CP Holiday train

Railrunnin posted:

There is a Warwick Railroad Premier Boxcar. I am assuming (yes, I know) this is Warwick RI - but why does it have GATX on the side as the only reporting marks I can see. Page 115.

Any ideas or insight?

Paul

 

Paul, check this out: pretty cool boxcar-

Jeff, that is very cool. Thanks so much for sharing.

Paul

Railrunnin posted:

There is a Warwick Railroad Premier Boxcar. I am assuming (yes, I know) this is Warwick RI - but why does it have GATX on the side as the only reporting marks I can see. Page 115.

Any ideas or insight?

Paul

Paul, the Providence & Worcester Railroad, which owns the WRWK reporting mark, has leased the car(s) from GATX.  Probably due to the lease agreement, gets to mark those cars with their reporting marks.  

Larry

 

 

PSAP2010 posted:

Railrunnin posted:

There is a Warwick Railroad Premier Boxcar. I am assuming (yes, I know) this is Warwick RI - but why does it have GATX on the side as the only reporting marks I can see. Page 115.

Any ideas or insight?

Paul

Paul, the Providence & Worcester Railroad, which owns the WRWK reporting mark, has leased the car(s) from GATX.  Probably due to the lease agreement, gets to mark those cars with their reporting marks.  

Larry

 

 

Fascinating, I did not know the P&W owns those marks. Thanks Larry

Paul

Not a thing.

 

John C. posted:

Big_Boy_4005 posted:

John C. posted:

Okay Elliott.  Thank you...that makes sense about codes...you are running a much more complex operation than me.  I attempt to keep everything as basic as possible for a number of reasons.  If the opportunity arises, I will hopefully one day be there with you to see it in action.  You have a spectacular project.  I'm hoping that one day it will be professionally recorded.  I will be the first one in line for a copy!

I MAY, MAY, break down and get the Lionel control as well myself.  I have told myself I will buy nothing but MTH PS3 DCS.  Thus far, I have stuck to it.  Hopefully, Lionel/Atlas won't come up with something I can't resist.  There is still a ton of MTH Premier engines I want to buy and they carry a lot of Great Northern, BN and BNSF (Yes Amtrak) all the roads in Marias Pass.

Gee John, it seems like we are on opposite sides of the same fence. Maybe the solution is to gut our new engines and trade electronics for our preferred systems. Win - win.

I'm very interested in the future possibilities; especially batteries powerful and durable enough to be contained in individual engines and a "common" command system capable of operating any manufacturers' engines on 2 rail track that you don't have to wire or clean!  I know some "G" scalers who currently have an internal battery and model airplane remote controls to run their layouts.

I'll probably be upset that all my current stuff will be junk, but that's the way it goes.  I have a fleet of HO stuff that I don't touch.  All of the engines are pre-command with NO sound.  I couldn't/wouldn't go back to that.  I remember when I was so intimidated by command systems and now I would NOT have a model RR without one!  I used to have to teach everyone who was willing how to run my layout the good old fashion way of throwing multiple Block control switches.  I'm glad those days are over for me.

John, all of the technology for that is already in place. All you need is a Lionchief engine and a battery to run it. Lionchief engines operate in an 18V environment just like all of the command control units do. The difference is LC sends its commands directly to the engine, just like RC cars and planes work. I call it "cutting out the middle man", AKA no command base.

I own a few LC+ engines, and obviously run them off track power. They're OK, but the remotes are pretty cheesy.

Two (2) Long Island R.R. double sheathed boxcars, that's it.

Still frustrated that they cancelled the Canadian Pacific Hudson that I had on preorder in 2016.

This has got to be the best NJ Transit catalog ever!!!!!  I'm a  happy NJ Transit camper.

"Not sure about the 425 RN Wrong smoke box front and I thought the 425 was a light pacific,  maybe MTH will change the front, if so I will get one."

First, the Gulf, Mobile & Northern 425 - now the R&N 425 - is pictured below in its builder's photo. There is the original headlight location. The tender logo says "GM&N - the road of service".

Second, the GM&N 425 was indeed a "light" Pacific, though many modern features were specified. The GM&N ordered two of these (425 and 426).

Third, the MTH model is a USRA locomotive, and a USRA Light Pacific, not a USRA Heavy. MTH has always incorrectly labeled this model (photos of the actual USRA Light and USRA Heavy reveal the obvious differences).

So, the MTH unit is indeed a Light Pacific, but it is the wrong Light Pacific. 425 is not USRA; more modern, actually, and a tad smaller

Fourth, the 425 was renumbered 580 after the M&O and the GM&N merged to form the GM&O. The 426 became the 582. The headlight on the 580 was neither in the center nor up high - it was in the "high middle" as I call it - the headlight bracket itself was near the center of the smokebox door. I have a photo of 580, but I can't locate it.

Regardless of the headlight position, it's the wrong locomotive (as is Lionel's Lionchief version). 

I would like to get the ROCK ISLAND GP40 diesel locomotive.

Nothing

WESTERN MARYLAND 2-bay Centerflow covered hopper.

 Well there's not much in the scale wheels department. I can't afford a big boy and I already have the Southern Pacific locomotive.  If the New York central Light Pacific came with scale wheels I would order that but it doesn't. Most likely no motive power for me this time. Maybe some rolling stock. 

Burlington Northern PS-2 CENTER DISCHARGE covered hopper.

Having obtained a paper copy, there are a couple of mildly interesting Western road RPO's l won't probably make an effort to order.  What l got out of this wish book was curiosity...GATX boxcar ? answered above, but what the heck are "Rexall" passenger cars??? Rexall was a kind of drugstore chain. Sears used to sell Marx trains under the Allstate and Happy time labels, but Rexall?