N&W Steam Locos

I see they had some 0-8-0 steamers too.

A N&W expert would know if any of their 0-8-0's were USRA Yard Goats. Lionel made some great USRA Yard Goats scale and in Legacy. (I think mine is one of my favorite locos). If so, you could look into what is involved in changing the decals, or send it to a professional.

Perhaps the classic branch line N&W steam locomotive in the late steam era were the  M, M1, and M2 4-8-0 mastodons.  O Winston Link did a color photo study of the breed operating on the Abingdon, VA branch to Jefferson City NC.  Nicknamed the Virginia Creeper I assume for it's slow pace.  Today the branch's right of way is the core of the state's Virginia Creeper bike trail (I've ridden it many times).  One of the N&W 4-8-0 s (433) sits under a shelter at the trailhead in Abingdon.  A sister locomotive 475 powers steam trains on the Strasburg RR.  Sunset 3rd Rail recently imported brass 2 and 3 rail scale models of the M (info corrected  thanks Jim and HW) .

If you want to learn about N&W motive power, there's only one place to go.  The Norfolk and Western Historical Society.  Here's a link to their online archive which includes thousands of photos, blueprints and corporate records: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/.  Check out classes G-1 (2-8-0), M (4-8-0) and W\2 (2-8-0) which I think are closest to what you're looking for.  The N&W bought several 0-8-0's from C&O in the S-1 class which they later copied and refined as class S-1a.  That's about as close as either Lionel or MTH has ever come.  Some brass models of smaller power exist but they can be hard to find.

Becky

Sunset/3rd Rail delivered the N&W M class 4-8-0 models earlier this year (I think), and they were available in both 3-Rail and 2-Rail. They are stunning models!

"Sunset 3rd Rail imported models of theM1 a few years back in 2 and 3 rail."

Actually it was a Class M. This is the big tender version.

Big Jim posted:

"Sunset 3rd Rail imported models of theM1 a few years back in 2 and 3 rail."

Actually it was a Class M. This is the big tender version.

You misquoted me. Pleas go back up and reread what I posted, i.e. the "N&W M class".  I did NOT state M1!

Heres a Lionel 2-6-4. 

so its off to the bay, the M class is the type of loco I'm looking for, if any one knows of a source, let me know. OBTW, I want a TMCC version, Thanks.

if anyone has a posst

Depending on budget and how correct you want to be I really like the MTH 'starter' 2-8-0 that are in many sets. They go cheap and are great little locos. I bought two and am repainting them WM...not perfect but close enough for me. 

N&W also bought several 0-8-0s from C&O.  Lionel made 0-8-0s with TMCC in C&O livery back in the mid 2000s.  I have one and am considering changing to N&W livery.

I don't think any manufacturer has ever made the N&W 4-8-0 mastodon.  Might be nice project for 3rd Rail.   The Abingdon branch mastodons had spark arrestor stacks. Others such as the Stassburg 475 do not.

I see now that 3rd Rail already did the M1.

Hot Water posted:

Big Jim posted:

"Sunset 3rd Rail imported models of theM1 a few years back in 2 and 3 rail."

Actually it was a Class M. This is the big tender version.

You misquoted me. Pleas go back up and reread what I posted, i.e. the "N&W M class".  I did NOT state M1!

HW,
I didn't misquote you at all. You've been listening to too much Carly Simon. I actually quoted "KEYSTONED ED" and he has since corrected his error! Yet "TRUMPTRAIN" has made the same error! "It's LEMONADE"...read the sign!" 

I think that Weaver made a 2-8-0 lettered for N&W. I haven't seen any for sale on the 'bay, but, I haven't been looking.

trumptrain posted:

N&W also bought several 0-8-0s from C&O.  Lionel made 0-8-0s with TMCC in C&O livery back in the mid 2000s.

Big Jim posted:

I think that Weaver made a 2-8-0 lettered for N&W. I haven't seen any for sale on the 'bay, but, I haven't been looking.

The Lionel 0-8-0 was a USRA version; not a S1a. It does have the headlight in the correct position but that is about all that is right. The tender isn't even close. I have all but begged Scott Mann to do a N&W S1a. There was one 2 rail version (forget the vendor name), but just too expensive to buy for a kit-bash.

Would love to see Scott Mann do and N&W S1a. I would definitely be in for one of these. Last steam locomotive built for an American RR. I'm sure there are a lot of guys who have A's, J's , K's and Y6's, but no S1 or S1a's. If you are a big N & W fan, this would be a must have. I have considered trying to kit bash one from and MTH or Lionel engine, but to make it accurate is a tall order.      JG

Did 3rd Rail make the M class with the #475? That would be a great engine to use with the new MTH Strasburg coaches. 

RaritanRiverRailroadFan4 posted:

Did 3rd Rail make the M class with the #475? That would be a great engine to use with the new MTH Strasburg coaches. 

Yes, they did.

Depending on your interest, skill, and time: Joe Giannovario converted an MTH PRR H-3 2-8-0 into an N&W G1. Writeup in issue #44, available as a free download

http://www.steamlocomotive.com...lidation/nw7-old.jpg

rex desilets posted:

... Joe Giannovario converted an MTH PRR H-3 2-8-0 into an N&W G1.

I've got the MTH 20-3432-1 N&W 2-8-0 H-3 Consolidation. Nice little Chooch. I'll have to check out the changes....

I sent Scot Mann an email last night asking if there where any M1's available, and if not, any plans to rerun the engine, so far no reply. I would be reluctant to try to re identify an engine. Also, I have a GGD and 7 Lionel engines all running via TMCC would a MTH run in that environment or would I have to wire up a TIU? Thanks for all the info, very informative so far.

dickkyle posted:

I sent Scot Mann an email last night asking if there where any M1's available, and if not, any plans to rerun the engine, so far no reply.

I believe Scott may still be in China, thus his replies to you may be at odd times. However, I can tell you that Scott RARELY does reruns of steam locomotive models. You may just have to resort to watching eBay for a 3-Rail model to popup. 

I would be reluctant to try to re identify an engine. Also, I have a GGD and 7 Lionel engines all running via TMCC would a MTH run in that environment or would I have to wire up a TIU? Thanks for all the info, very informative so far.

dickkyle posted:

I sent Scot Mann an email last night asking if there where any M1's available

Once again, 3rd Rail made the Class "M"....NOT the M1. M1's were a bit different

dickkyle posted:

I sent Scot Mann an email last night asking if there where any M1's available,

Pretty sure that those sold out in advance.  You see one now and again on eBay

and if not, any plans to rerun the engine, so far no reply.

Not often that he re-runs stuff, but given that it sold out, I'd think that there is some potential there unless the number produced was spot on to the market.

I have all of these but I didn't want to go into the train room to take new pictures:

I have one of the Weaver N&W Class W.

Yes, N&W had a Shay at one time. MTH even got the number right.

Railking 0-6-0 is pretty good as well.

The Lionel 0-8-0 is a pretty good representation of a N&W S1
http://www.collector-modeltrai...tem/?my_item_id=2924

The 3rd Rail streamlined Class K

Scott Smith

I'm trolling The Bay right now and I spotted a shiny Williams 2156 Pacific in N&W paint.

And then I saw: Precision Scale model # 15876-1. N&W 0-8-0 Class S-1-a

pennytrains posted:

And then I saw: Precision Scale model # 15876-1. N&W 0-8-0 Class S-1-a

Precision Scale models are only offered in 2-Rail.

pennytrains posted:

And then I saw: Precision Scale model # 15876-1. N&W 0-8-0 Class S-1-a

pennytrains posted:

I'm trolling The Bay right now and I spotted a shiny Williams 2156 Pacific in N&W paint.

I just looked on eBay at the #15876-1 box. It's HO, whew! Price would have been great if it were O Scale. Yes, I know it's listed in the O Gauge section.

The Williams looks pretty nice. Probably  a good candidate for a command control upgrade. One very little problem, 2156 is a Y6a. 

Here are pictures of my W2

It's Friday AM and just ordered the MTH 2-8-0 from North Carolina so it's inbound to Long Beach. One concern is the guy said I would have to install a TIU since it would not run in the TMCC system?

You have three options:

• Conventional: It will run with the throttle on your transformer.
• MTH 50-1033   DCS Remote Commander: Provided the locomotive has a FACTORY RESET (easy to do w/ a full DCS system). If it is new out-of-the-box, you're good to go. $60 list 
• DCS: Yes you can pony-up for a full DCS system. You'll also want MTH 50-1032 cable $25 list. This connects the TIU to the TMCC Command Base.

The rule of thumb is; you can run TMCC w/ DCS, but you can't run DCS w/ TMCC.

Thanks for all your input. I have the hardware to install DCS so its off to the Train Shack to get the TIU updated and whatever else I need.

Gilly@N&W posted:

Here are pictures of my W2

That one goes on my "lottery list"!  Behind the Y6b, A, and J but ahead of anything from any other railroad! 

TM Terry posted:

I see they had some 0-8-0 steamers too.

A N&W expert would know if any of their 0-8-0's were USRA Yard Goats. Lionel made some great USRA Yard Goats scale and in Legacy. (I think mine is one of my favorite locos). If so, you could look into what is involved in changing the decals, or send it to a professional.

 

TM Terry, the N&W 0-8-0's were copies of several Chesapeake and Ohio C-16b that N&W received in 1950, and the C&O had a different design than the USRA. The Lionel model is fairly close but some modifications would be needed if one wanted it to be accurate. For N&W, they had the headlight centered on the smokebox, had the coal bunker built up, and I believe had a slightly different cab. Precision Scale Company has a lot of brass and plastic detail parts that can be added to a Lionel or other manufacturers 0-8-0 and it would look much closer to an N&W S1 or S1a.

N&W also added a clerestory on the tender for increased water capacity, over-fire air jets and a cinder screen on the stack.  Not to mention that under new ownership the locos got washed more regularly.  It would be great to have a loco with all of those refinements.  But personally I'm satisfied enough for now with my MTH 0-8-0 with the headlight in the wrong place and the wrong tender. 

MrMuffin’s Trains is currently taking pre-orders for a limited run of N&W 2-8-0’s! The cab number will be 917 after the W2 that’s still in existence, here’s a link: https://mrmuffinstrains.com/pr...riant=40492522864792

The picture is just a quick photoshop job I did…