Need help with upgrading from 4.3 to 5.0

You need a sterio mini to mini cable for upgrading the TIU. You remove it to upgrade the remote.

 I think there's another post going about this. I'll go look.

See Barry's post down this page:

https://ogrforum.com/t...al-port-not-detected

 

November 12, 2015 5:13 PM

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The issue I kept having was that I didn't push the mini stereo plug all the way down so it wasn't really plugged in

Thank you I will try that.  I am so paranoid in screwing up the TIU that I might be missing a step.  I made the upgrade to 4.30 with no issues.  I am going to restart in Tuesday and take my time. 

Thank you everyone

I don't know, can you brick a TIU by messing up the update?

Mr. Magoo, remember that whenever you have an unsuccessful attempt, you must power down the TIU before retrying.  If you use the Loader program search feature and it finds the com port, do not turn off the TIU before trying the upgrade. I assume that you asre using the V5.0 loader.

 

 

I don't know? I have come close. The new loader wouldn't run on my old computer and wouldn't allow me to update the TIU. The few times I've upgraded, if anything was wrong, the process wouldn't go forward and nothing happened, thankfully.

Many devices get fouled up if power fails, so be sure remote batteries are fresh or fully charged, to be safe.  Based on experience in updating others' units, I recommend making sure that the AUX port can hold the plug.

Alan,

From a previous post on the same subject...

I don't mind being quoted, however, it's polite to at least give me credit for the original post.

Well, here I am as promised, reading Barry's new book.  Reading everybody's informative suggestions and I still cant seem to get this to go.  Firstly there is no power from USB going to the TIU.  I have tried different USB ports and none are successful.  Secondly I am using Windows 7, so I think I am okay with the computer.  With all of that being said, I have all the hookups correct and now I think I completely erased all of my info on my remote.  I am normally pretty savy when it comes to these things yet I am stumped.  Between, hooking up the USB and seeing no LED's light up, hooking this up, downloading, deleting the loader 5.0 and reinstalling this is getting frustrating.  going to take a break for a moment and try again later. 

Mr. Magoo, do you happen to have a USB to serial converter cable?  If so, try that even if you have a Rev L TIU.  You might also try powering the TIU through the AUX port.  There's nothing can be done unless you can get the TIU led to light.

 

For what it's worth, I have had many USB cables have a one conductor failure.  Try a different cable.

 

Windows 7 is ok.

 

Why do you think you've erased the remote?  If you can't access the TIU, you can't alter the remote, unless you, using the remote's keys, have reset it.

 

Be sure to uplug the USB cable from the TIU between attempts, as that is the only way to power it down and then turn it on.

Thanks RJR, it seems I have power now going to the TIU.  I see the red LED lit.  I have all my wires connected.  When I click on the MTH loader 5.0 it seems to want me to click on a file.  problem is I don't have that file.

 

see above.  So now I am at a stopping point.  I have tried downloading the loader into an easily assessable folder yet the file it wants me to use is not there.

   Keep at it. you're almost there..... Did you also  download the Remote & tiu code after downloading the loader? 

 

Back at the same web site where you found the loader.  It's judt anove or just below the loader program.

http://www.protosound2.com/  Scroll down a bit. 

Got it!  I honestly thought I downloaded those files already!!!  Thank you everyone! 
To answer an earlier question, I think I may have reset the remote.  I was following the instructions in the screen and might have reset the remote.  No big deal.  I can rename my switches and keep the locomotives I have in better order.  Just one question.  I have two transformer bricks, is it possible have more power delivered to the tracks and switches by incorporating them both on my TIU?  There isn't a chance of frying them using the two bricks?  One is from my z700 I think and the other is z500. I have to confirm that I had to run and do some errands. 

Once again thank you everyone for your assistance!!!!

I am not aware of any on screen instructions to reset the remote, unless you are doing a restore from a computer backup.

 

You should have no problem using the 2 bricks, each powering different TIU channels, but first be sure that they are in phase.

You should have no problem using the 2 bricks, each powering different TIU channels, but first be sure that they are in phase.

One small detail...

 

Make sure that the two TIU channel outputs don't go to track that are connected to each other.

An added small detail, Barry.  You mean electrically connected, not physically connected.  This electrical separation is accomplished by using insulating pins in the center rail, or severing the center rail as with a moto-tool or hacksaw.

Robert,

 

No, I mean either, as regards the center rail.

 

Further, to be clear for those who cannot grasp sarcasm, it's a HUGE detail.

Having nothing better to do while awaiting supper, I must disagree with you.  On my layout, I have every inch of track physically connected while using 6 separately powered TIU channels, but with fiber pins or equivalent as the physical connector in the center rail to preclude electrical continuity.

 

 

 

 

Robert,

 

Not correct.

 

The center rails of your loops and, perhaps even blocks, are not connected to each other. Rather, they are connected to fiber pins.

RJR & Barry..

Now, we get into a valuable discussion, which, if we are lucky will morph into a serious philosophical discussion of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.  (Of course that will lead to a discussion of the proper size pinhead.)

 

I contend, in this great battle of minds, that if two center rails are each connected to the opposing ends of a fiber pin, they are in fact connected, thereby permitting a pickup roller to travel unimpeded from one circuit/loop/whatever to another without encountering overwhelming problems. 

 

(For the serious reader, I note that this repartee is all in fun.)

 

Gregg: priceless!

Robert,

 

I stated:

 

"Make sure that the two TIU channel outputs don't go to track that are connected to each other."

 

If there's a fiber pin in between, they are not connected to each other. They are, instead, connected to fibers pins.

 

That is what you said, and I disagreed on the semantics.

 

Can more angels dance on the head of a fiber pin that a straight pin?

 

Good night, Barry.