New PS3 engine does not startup

Menu/Advanced/ reset engine/ feature reset........ Did  you get any error messages?

Some advice make sure your switch for dcs or dcc is on dcs and also you got to give the engine a min. to charge capacitor up. 

Gregg, It reset the engine. No error message.

chessie1971, Rail King imperial line, no switch.

I tried adding 15' of wire to the out of the TIU to the track. did not work.

Nunya what is the mth item no. on your engine. I was looking on some of the newer engines on MTH site in the railking line has the DCS and DCC switch with PS3 

chessie, 30-1596-1

http://www.mthtrains.com/sites...ction/30st18908i.pdf 

Look at page number 5 tells you about the switch

Barry, I did the factory reset, re-added the new engine. No change.

chessie, I questioned that when I purchased the engine today. I was told these engines did not come with a switch. They put the engine on the track and it worked fine at the train shop. So I know the engine works.

Is it possible that my TIU is old and needs an updated firm ware? I bought it around 2005-2006.

nunya i would check that switch that switch could have got switched by accident just where it is located.

chessie, the tender does not have a switch

Ok another thing to check is maybe your draw bar not connected good make sure of that.  

 Do all proto-3  O gauge  engines have DCC capabilities??

I have noticed that after the engine is found and added to the remote. I am unable to find the engine on the track afterwards.

Are you using a programming track with no other engines receiving power?

Gregg, yes.

Barry, Even though it worked at the train store today.

Another thing you can try. If you keep adding that engine to the remote gives it a different address. I did that with my PS3 engine so i had to remove if from the remote then i readded then it worked. 

Gregg, it looks like you had the same idea.

I can go to bed now....

Please explain why it works on ID 1 only, doesn't work in conventional?  G

Yes, please do. That's really odd.

GGG, I don't have an answer for you, sorry. I might try to change the address some time. I thought I should leave well enough alone. Maybe, it was unlucky no 13 that it didn't like. When I was at the shop today, they indicated that the engines come from the factory with address 1. He also suggested trying to first start out conventionally, and then try to program with DCS. None of that worked. I had a similar problem with one of my Lionel Legacy Gensets. It took me a while to figure out what address it liked. I have another that has been sent back to Lionel. Don't know the outcome of that on yet. Maybe a bad board.

If I come up with the answer, I will post it.

Thanks again everyone.

I think he said he used Variable 1 to try it in conventional. If so wouldn't the engine still pick up the DCS watch dog signal? I've never tried a DCS engine using a channel set to Variable. Just wondering.

Forest i thought of the samething he tried that instead of trying straight off of the transformer.   

Ok,  That is good and explains why no conventional ops.  So the other issue is only working on ID 1.

nunya, When you have the engine running with ID 1.  Let it sit in neutral and turn off the transformer powering the engine.  Does the engine play shutdown sounds or abruptly lose sounds?  G

I still think there's still something amiss with the engine even though it will run with ID 1 in command.This is very similar to a proto-2 with a weak , or no battery at all.To test in convention with a var channel the dcs signal must turned off (menu/ system/dcs set up/...)

If the capacitor is not working do you still get sounds in conventional? I'm guessing yes

In command I suspect the slightest power interruption will drop the engine into neutral

Gregg,

I still think there's still something amiss with the engine even though it will run with ID 1 in command.

I agree. As I said earlier on this thread:

Based on that, the problem appears to be that the engine is simply not remembering its DCS ID# after being added. It keeps getting changed to 13 each time that it's added.

 

If that is, indeed, the case, you have a defective engine that needs to be repaired or exchanged.

Thanks for the additional advice. I will look into this further later this week and will post my findings.

nunya,

    Barry is probably right about the P3 engine having a problem, however with the P3 engine always program the engine from a programing track seperate from any other engines.  Let the P3 engine sit on the programming track for at least 60 sec to charge the onboard BCR, then program your engine.  Funny things seem to happen if the onboard BCR is not energized correctly. 

PCRR/Dave

GGG, The engines goes through the shutdown sequence.