SCL seemed to like GE. why?
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Have absolutely no knowledge about SCL, but wouldn't be surprised if it didn't have something to do with financing. Saw one acquisition go from purchasing 10 SD40's to leasing 10 SD45's to leasing 10 U30C's. The difference between the 2 lease agreements was astronomical.
Another possibility could be that the SCL was trying to teach EMD a lesson.
U-boats were affectionately know as the "the working man's best friend" by craft maintenance people
Another possibility could be that the SCL was trying to teach EMD a lesson.
U-boats were affectionately know as the "the working man's best friend" by craft maintenance people
You bet "you get what you pay for"!! Wait til those toasters are about
five years old. Time bomb waiting to happen! Some say the newer GEs are
a little better in this regard. I wouldn't trust one as far as I could throw
it! Ask those old Espee heads about GE. If it weren't for financing, these
guys would be making coffee machines in BLDG.10. OTOH, those baby boat
U18bs are sooo cute, I want to pinch it's pug nose and give it a wiggle!
five years old. Time bomb waiting to happen! Some say the newer GEs are
a little better in this regard. I wouldn't trust one as far as I could throw
it! Ask those old Espee heads about GE. If it weren't for financing, these
guys would be making coffee machines in BLDG.10. OTOH, those baby boat
U18bs are sooo cute, I want to pinch it's pug nose and give it a wiggle!
quote:Originally posted by jaygee:
You bet "you get what you pay for"!! Wait til those toasters are about
five years old. Time bomb waiting to happen! Some say the newer GEs are
a little better in this regard. I wouldn't trust one as far as I could throw
it! Ask those old Espee heads about GE. If it weren't for financing, these
guys would be making coffee machines in BLDG.10. OTOH, those baby boat
U18bs are sooo cute, I want to pinch it's pug nose and give it a wiggle!
Ever since the Dash 9s came out the reverse is true. modern GEs out perform and outride newer EMDs. Meanwhile, the old SD40-2s are still the best.
Is it true the SP was taking out of service their first U33C's when the last ones were coming from Erie. I do know that in East Yard in San Antonio there were MANY BO U33's.
I spent some time in Birmingham on the SCL in the early seventies and word was that GE was cozy with the SCL GSMP.
We used the L&N yard there, and an L&N Road Foreman told me that GE putting that big Appliance Park in Louisville had something to do with their purchase of a lot of GEs. He told me that the L&N would have been better off buying two GEs, one to station at each end of Appliance Park, and buy EMDs to haul the freight.
Both GE and EMD have had their ups and downs since then, but in the early days railroads bought a lot of GEs just to keep EMD from having a monopoly on the business. Alco was gone, Baldwin was long gone, and there was nobody else to keep EMD honest.
EdKing
We used the L&N yard there, and an L&N Road Foreman told me that GE putting that big Appliance Park in Louisville had something to do with their purchase of a lot of GEs. He told me that the L&N would have been better off buying two GEs, one to station at each end of Appliance Park, and buy EMDs to haul the freight.
Both GE and EMD have had their ups and downs since then, but in the early days railroads bought a lot of GEs just to keep EMD from having a monopoly on the business. Alco was gone, Baldwin was long gone, and there was nobody else to keep EMD honest.
EdKing
quote:Originally posted by Wyhog:
It'd be nice if the EMD fanboys would stop perpetuating rhetoric from the 1960s-1970s now that it is 40-50 years later and massive fleets of modern GEs seem to be keeping up with the EMDs.
Uh oh, Wyhog! Mr. Wheelihan is gonna be on you like white on rice!
Curt
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GE should stick to straight electrics and gas turbines. Gimme ANY EMD from
any era over ANY GE Diesel ever! GE's best Diesel was and is the 44 Tonner!
any era over ANY GE Diesel ever! GE's best Diesel was and is the 44 Tonner!
Yeah the best use of a U boat was trade in. I worked on the U23B's, U30B's, B23-7's, B30-7's and C30-7's. Slow to load, even slower to stop when switching with them. The dash 7's, dash 8's and dash 9's were slippery when we hit frost, wet rail and oilers in the Feather River Canyon. Today's GE is head and shoulders better than the older GE's and current SD70ACe's. But UP is disposing of their dash 8's and early dash 9's and rebuilding the SD60's. The SD40-2 is getting rebuilt and refurbished even though they are nearing the four decade mark. I don't expect anything from any builder to be like the SD40-2 and with the new FRA pollution guidelines, safety requirements and railroad operating practices it really doesn't matter. The telling factor will be the 15 year of service for the units for both builders. The new Genset units are another story and since I haven’t had a chance to operate one yet I won’t comment.
Greg
Greg
The potential is there for GE to manufacture some greatly improved
locomotives, over both past product, and what is being offered today.
This would require some additional capital outlay, and more importantly,
the confidence and determination to do it. The basic flaw today, and
has been for many years, is GE itself. As for building a locomotive
that is inherently better than the average EMD product....that will be
generations in the future, if ever.
locomotives, over both past product, and what is being offered today.
This would require some additional capital outlay, and more importantly,
the confidence and determination to do it. The basic flaw today, and
has been for many years, is GE itself. As for building a locomotive
that is inherently better than the average EMD product....that will be
generations in the future, if ever.
