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mike g. posted:
Roving Sign posted:

The USPS Priority Mail Shoebox is perfect for a lot of rolling stock - and you can join two together for longer boxes/locos.

These are free - you can order them at usps.com

https://store.usps.com/store/b...roductId=P_0_SHOEBOX

 

How come we cant get them at the post office? I haven't seen one till you posted it here! Plus it might be cheaper for those of use who buy and pay the shipping!

The little selection at most POs is not reflective of the selection of boxes and products offered at USPS.com.

There's a lot of free ones - and some you pay for.

Alfred E Neuman posted:
p51 posted:

Yeah, I'd never even heard of one of these until I saw this photo, and I go into the local post office at least once every week or two!

Spend that time on the USPS website instead.  They will even pick up the packages for free to save those trips to the post office.

What, me worry?

LOL not where I live, I have to drive 3 miles to the post office!

Alfred E Neuman posted:
p51 posted:

Yeah, I'd never even heard of one of these until I saw this photo, and I go into the local post office at least once every week or two!

Spend that time on the USPS website instead.  They will even pick up the packages for free to save those trips to the post office.

What, me worry?

I've been getting them delivered in different sizes for years and my mail carrier picks them up when ready to ship.  I can't remember the last time I was in a post office or used a mail box to send a letter..

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mike g. posted:
Roving Sign posted:

The USPS Priority Mail Shoebox is perfect for a lot of rolling stock - and you can join two together for longer boxes/locos.

These are free - you can order them at usps.com

https://store.usps.com/store/b...roductId=P_0_SHOEBOX

How come we cant get them at the post office? I haven't seen one till you posted it here! Plus it might be cheaper for those of use who buy and pay the shipping!

I can't say this for all postal facilities, but at the post office I use alot, which is a main hub close to me, they always see me bringing in these unusual size boxes, and one day the gentleman at the window asked where do I get all those odd size Priority boxes? We got to talking and I told him I just order them online, and he informed me that the few odd sizes they do get, even they (the post office) had to order them from the post office! And he was very serious. when they need Priority boxes they have to go to the online site and order them just like everyone else! We got a good laugh over that....

p51 posted:
mike g. posted:
Roving Sign posted:

 

How come we cant get them at the post office? I haven't seen one till you posted it here! Plus it might be cheaper for those of use who buy and pay the shipping!

Yeah, I'd never even heard of one of these until I saw this photo, and I go into the local post office at least once every week or two!

Yep. You gotta ask for them; they don't volunteer them. And they are free! And you can get a whole box of boxes delivered to your home free, too.

We were shipping a tinplate set we sold on Ebay cross country the other day. UPS Ground wanted $77 for it at 26 lbs. and a large box (24x19x24" or such). Post Office Ground was $35. 

My thinking is that UPS charges more by SIZE of the box and weight and distance is less important while P.O. reverses the way they compute the total. Anyway, P.O. is better for me for big boxes no matter the weight over UPS. Also for small Priority Mail vs. UPS. Middle weight and medium size boxes are sometimes cheaper with UPS.

One other thing: UPS gives you $100 insurance on all shipments as part of the base cost; P.O. does not.

Dave Warburton posted:

My thinking is that UPS charges more by SIZE of the box and weight and distance is less important while P.O. reverses the way they compute the total. Anyway, P.O. is better for me for big boxes no matter the weight over UPS. Also for small Priority Mail vs. UPS. Middle weight and medium size boxes are sometimes cheaper with UPS.

One other thing: UPS gives you $100 insurance on all shipments as part of the base cost; P.O. does not.

I think they call that "Dimensional Weight"  - USPS moved to that system many years ago - Im sure the others all use it.

I think USPS Priority Mail comes with insurance up to $50.00

Greg Houser posted:

One tip, especially when buying your postage online.  Do not select "fragile" as this greatly increases the cost.  Go ahead and try it on the USPS website - found this out by chance one day.   Just write 'fragile' on the box yourself or ask them to stamp it 'fragile' if you drop if off (vs having them pick it up).

No doubt postage has increased.  You just have to figure it into the cost.  Depending on the freight car, $35 is a good price.  Your mileage may vary.

-Greg

others are going to disagree but NEVER write "fragile" on your packages.

 

more then postal employees handle packages the  airlines hate handling post office mail.

I was at the Radio Shack at 11TH and Shepherd Dr here in Houston yesterday.  They had a sticker on the door that they were a FedEx drop/pick up location.  I did not ask for any info.  I have seen this sticker at other locations in the Houston area.  Might be a place one could do some secure and cheaper shipping.  At least your new BB will not be sitting on the porch while you are working.  Another possibility is to use the various UPS stores for the same.  Again I have not tested either, but have both as possile shipping solutions in the future.

In my experience, shipping "stores" charge an additional fee if you purchase your shipping there.
They do accept prepaid packages without a fee, so it may be wise to  pay online before going there.

I've dealt with two different stores in my area. One was fine, run by very pleasant people.
The folks in the other store were just the opposite.

I don't comparison shop for every package. Every once in a while I compare the fees for specific package (usually something heavy and/or large). So far the USPS has come out the least expensive each time.

Shipping cost are a huge problem and a constant headache for retailers. We use all 3 services and have special software that compares each to get you the best price. Complicate these things with "dimensional rates" now. Yes, UPS and Fedex require not just the weight but size of box to figure in also. DON'T use those stand alone shipping stores as they add 30-40% on top. All our rates are reviewed each year because of our volume but rates also go up every year too so it's a moot point. Factor all that plus shipping materials, we use U-Line and spend thousands almost monthly with them. Labor, before Christmas we arrive at 7:30 am to start packing the "overnite" orders. We fill skids of packages almost everyday to all 3 shippers this time of the year. A day dosn't go by were we see something shipping for more than the cost of the item too. 

With a rumor of Amazon (the usps's biggest customer) thinking of buying USPS out there it scares me as they would lock them up and IMO might raise prices to everyone else to subsidize Amazon Prime. Putting the final nail into Brick and Mortar retailers! 

Good morning and Happy New Year.

I work for the Post Office and here are some tips. Light Weight and long distance the flat rate box might or might not work for your shipments. The small flat rate box is the size of VHS tape and does not fit anything we ship in the hobby. However the padded flat rate envelopes are a great way to ship most items that have the original box. The rate is $6.80 and you must order the envelopes direct from the USPS website, the local PO does not have them in stock. Note the rates are going up Jan 22, 2017.

nvocc5 posted:

Good morning and Happy New Year.

I work for the Post Office and here are some tips. Light Weight and long distance the flat rate box might or might not work for your shipments. The small flat rate box is the size of VHS tape and does not fit anything we ship in the hobby. However the padded flat rate envelopes are a great way to ship most items that have the original box. The rate is $6.80 and you must order the envelopes direct from the USPS website, the local PO does not have them in stock. Note the rates are going up Jan 22, 2017.

Do you have a link for this product? - I looked and can't see anything in envelopes that might be helpful shipping a train.

Maybe these tyvek envelopes?

Laidoffsick posted:

Shipping is the key factor that limits most of us from shipping our engines back and forth for repair/upgrade.

Then if you decide to suck it up and pay the costs, you risk damage from the round trip. 

I shipped a 3rd Rail 2-10-4 to GunRunnerJohn.. $70 round trip insured. That was my discounted rate. It was $95 RETAIL and even higher if you take it to a shipping center.

I just consider it part of the cost of maintenance, as I live w-a-a-a-y out on the Great Plains, where there are not many - if any - certified repair techs.  The closest trustworthy tech is in Denver, an 8 hour drive.  However I'm okay with going to Denver a couple of times a year.  I have family and friends there, and can take a little 3-day trip over to Glenwood Springs on the Zephyr while there.

I've got a couple of engines that I would like Gunrunner John to upgrade for me, and I will ship them together in an oversized shipping container and pay the price.  May as well economize on scale.

Roving Sign posted:
nvocc5 posted:

Good morning and Happy New Year.

I work for the Post Office and here are some tips. Light Weight and long distance the flat rate box might or might not work for your shipments. The small flat rate box is the size of VHS tape and does not fit anything we ship in the hobby. However the padded flat rate envelopes are a great way to ship most items that have the original box. The rate is $6.80 and you must order the envelopes direct from the USPS website, the local PO does not have them in stock. Note the rates are going up Jan 22, 2017.

Do you have a link for this product? - I looked and can't see anything in envelopes that might be helpful shipping a train.

Maybe these tyvek envelopes?

Roving sign...you'll find those padded envelopes on the same page as the link above only a few down from the Tyvec envelopes you posted....there are alot of items to sort through right now because of their Christmas items, but it's there....just look for the "Priority Mail Padded Flat Rate envelopes that are 9 1/2" by 12 1/2". Or when you click on the link above, once you get to the page, click on "see all" at the top. These padded envelopes are great to use! And if you have something you think needs a bit of extra protection, you can fit a box inside those padded rate envelopes that is at least 2" by 5" by 8".

 

 

 

 

Charlienassau posted:

...  With a rumor of Amazon (the usps's biggest customer) thinking of buying USPS out there it scares me as they would lock them up and IMO might raise prices to everyone else to subsidize Amazon Prime. Putting the final nail into Brick and Mortar retailers! 

Doesn't directly address the above-reported rumor, but there's no shortage of recent articles talking about Amazon setting its sites on building out its own shipping operation.  Here's one such article from the WSJ written in late Sept 2016.

David

Roving Sign posted:

The USPS Priority Mail Shoebox is perfect for a lot of rolling stock - and you can join two together for longer boxes/locos.

These are free - you can order them at usps.com

https://store.usps.com/store/b...roductId=P_0_SHOEBOX

I've been using the USPS Shoe Boxes for years.  Love them.  Came across one when something I had purchased was shipped in them,  Went to my post office to ask about it and they gave me some.  I also ordered some online that first time,

Since then, whenever I run low, I just go my local post office and ask for them at the counter.  I guess I'm lucky in my location.  

It's not Flat Rate, but more often than not, it fits the bill of what I'm trying to sell (like an O Gauge passenger car or freight car) and the provided box saves me the trouble of having to go by boxes at big box stores.

Rocky Mountaineer posted:
Terry Danks posted:
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You bet shipping costs have escalated over the years ...

"... So at the end of the day, we're paying for it anyway -- not the small businesses.  So they're really able to take advantage of a tremendous service on the consumer's dime."

David

And so those businesses should be able to do that. No one wants to work for free, give their services away for free, or not have their business generate a profit.  Not me, nor you David, nor anyone else reading and commenting on this thread. Let us not forget too that the trains and train related items we purchase are not necessities we're forced to buy but luxury items we can live without but choose to buy.

For those who say the price to ship should be low because of fuel price drops - I guess that depends on the perspective of where they live. Here is PA, beginning tomorrow the price per gallon of gasoline will include 58.3 cents in state tax alone. Also, while fuel oil prices might be have gone down, the cost of shippers doing business hasn't. Consider that the cost of the trucks and planes shippers use as well as maintenance costs for those vehicles hasn't fallen. Nor has the insurance on them and the varied building hubs and equipment in those facilities which shippers must have plus the costs to insure those facilities owned or leased and the price of maintenance, utility and taxes associated with those facilities. Factor in too the myriad of regulations shippers must follow and all this adds up quickly and substantially in today's world.  Oh, and of course don't forget the salaries of the people shippers employ.  

Plan to factor cost into shipping and determine your bottom line. This is really a no brainer. If, after calculating your sale and cost to ship, you don't have acceptable revenue, stop selling with shipping. You'll either have to wait for a train show or for the price to rise. If, after examining your process, you feel the train market will not yield the revenue you need, sell as much as possible and invest the money. You will come out WAY ahead. Most of my purchases are funded, at least partly, by investments.

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I've rethought my "resonable at $25" comment. That price is likely not a 2cnd day delivery, which I associate with FdEx.

IMO handling a 1'sq.-5lb box for $5 a day at a "ground" rate of speed should still be viable.

   The cost seems high when you look at the last ten years. Their fuel cost low, & their business more plentiful from the ever increasing amount of online shipping being done, has outpaced any regulatory setbacks, all new & minor if they exist at all. They should be bordering the edge of fat cat already.

   There is a gross imbalance somewhere when you can have to pay as much to ship something "normal" & small as you do to manufacture or buy it.

In the workplace today everywhere, there is also a huge increase in the gross, negligent, acceptance for the term "***k it".  I'd get you fired or meet you at the bar to "discuss it" for pulling a lateral. Service is a duty, not just a job.

Could also be the discounts offered the high volume shippers are being paid for by us now. ..Two liters of soda and whole gallons of milk being cheaper than their half  or quarter sized counterparts seems odd too,  but it is the perfectly rational business sense of today's management

  I never could tell if the hand or the shell held the beans either. But always thought it funny when suspicious knuckles got cracked.

ogaugeguy posted:

..................................For those who say the price to ship should be low because of fuel price drops - I guess that depends on the perspective of where they live. Here is PA, beginning tomorrow the price per gallon of gasoline will include 58.3 cents in state tax alone. Also, while fuel oil prices might be have gone down, the cost of shippers doing business hasn't. Consider that the cost of the trucks and planes shippers use as well as maintenance costs for those vehicles hasn't fallen. Nor has the insurance on them and the varied building hubs and equipment in those facilities which shippers must have plus the costs to insure those facilities owned or leased and the price of maintenance, utility and taxes associated with those facilities. Factor in too the myriad of regulations shippers must follow and all this adds up quickly and substantially in today's world.  Oh, and of course don't forget the salaries of the people shippers employ.  

I don't think anyone is suggesting those are not valid costs.

The point regarding lower fuel prices is that all the shippers raised their rates and some even directly referred to a "fuel surcharge" when fuel pricing was higher than it is now.

We all know those surcharges never lowered or disappeared when the gas prices went down.  True all the other factors need to be paid for, but the fuel costs have gone down from when gas was near $4 or more a gallon for regular (yes, I know most trucks don't likely run on regular gas).

-Dave

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I only sold freight cars in four car lots.  Probably sold 80 cars that way recently.  Engines go one at a time.

Dealing with problem folks and shipping costs make it much easier to keep the rest from now on.  Even with our high volume shipping contracts the figure is getting a tad crazy.

As a Health care agent I can say all companies are experiencing tremendous employee cost increases.   A passive form of a tax increase. 

Isn't pretty much everything going up?  For instance... a nice Christmas card for my wife was 7-8 bucks at the same Hallmark store I buy from every year.  She keeps them so I looked back at the prices.  I got a nicer card last year than this for less $.  

What's a decent sandwich or pizza cost?  Ain't going down.  Look at the tolls and gas in Jersey & PA.  It goes on and on.  

So what, inflation will help reduce the deficit I hear.  Remember that when you all get the upcoming  big tax cuts.

I like buying at York, free shipping and no tax.  Just have to pay for the toilets (ha)

Bobby Ogage posted:

I have been shipping trains via US Post Office Priority Mail. The least expensive postal cost from East to West Coast is $11 by ground (no insurance), and $12.40 by Priority Mail ($50 automatic).

Now consider selling an o-gauge freight car for $20. Add postage and the freight car cost is $31 to $33. If packaging is purchased, then the cost of shipping the freight car approaches $40.  That is double the cost of the car!!!!!!!!!!

The alternative is to sell inexpensive items at train shows in lieu of the forum.

 

It makes no sense to try and set up a local show to try and sell thing to avoid shipping charges. Why do you care the buyer pays the shipping put in the weight if the item and it auto calculates and the amount of exposure you get on eBay is worth it at least it is for me. I can list it and wait for it end and do not have to drag it out two or three times to shows and try to move it. There are many outlets for free boxes and packing. 

Dear Roving Sign

Here is the link.

https://store.usps.com/store/b...p;productId=P_EP14PE

These are not the tyvek.

Just remember the one thing with USPS size, weight and distance is what make the pricing matrix. Example heavy and/or oversized and close we have some good rates. If it is oversized, heavy and on going from east to west coast (or versa west to east coast) and does not fit in the flat rate products, hold on to your wallet.

I haven't read every post in this thread, but it is cheaper to ship USPS using PayPal's "Print Shipping Label" feature for USPS Priority Mail.  Tonight I tried both and PayPal was $6.10 versus $6.80 on USPS website.

Also, PayPal offers economy USPS shipping options that my myUSPS account does not which only offers me Priority or a more expensive alternative.

Just and FYI.

I still buy items from America I have four items on their way at the moment Christmas has delayed them the shipping costs stay the same.

I have learned to live with the costs sometimes the shipping is the same as the Item price often I buy a freight car I really want for say $30 and the shipping is $30 so it's now costing me $60 then converted to Australian dollars it goes up even further to $75 Australian dollars so I say "is it worth 75 bucks" yes it is!

I often buy a number of items from the same seller to save on shipping but watch yourself with ebay it can be nice some days and nasty the next, but your in charge, check before you buy, don't blame the system and call it names, make it work for you. I enjoy ebay it's helped me a lot to get what I want.

I just save on something else at home to make up for the shipping costs I'll never get rich but I'm happy. Roo.

 

I feel your pain but you should be this side of the pond with the £ in free fall after Brexit & the postage from the States. I bought a couple of Bachmann 0n30 locos for $49 each & the postage was $60! but still a lot cheaper than buying here.James

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FedEx Smartpost is about the best deal out there for shipping rates...usually something like 30 - 40% cheaper than either USPS or FedEx Home/ Ground. It's a PIA to get setup and takes twice as long for a package to find it's way thru the system but costs can be very reasonable. And Smartposts' insurance coverage is limited to $100.00...but if you feel like gambling...

I don't use UPS as it seems they love to mis-handle & break large articulated steamers.

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