The FM Train Master looks pretty good, but. I am a bit surprised after the great job Lionel did with the Hi-Nose GP30's
that they missed a particular detail for the Souther FM Train Master. The pilot decks were stepped down for the safety of the crews.
MTH did get this Southern detail correct.
Note different height in pilot deck of PRR at left vs. Southern at right.
Ron
I have two Southern Railway Ps-4 4-6-2 Weaver "Tennesseans" . I plan to eventually sell the one that has the T/A Studios upgrade to TMCC. The engine has the Limited Edition Certificate and has been run very little. I am certain the aged traction tires would probably last only briefly in running. I purchased this engine from "Purple Papa" at his store in Conway,S.C. near Myrtle Beach about 15 years ago. I paid $800 for the engine and about $190 for TMMC.
The engine is damaged via a partial crack in the rear of the cab roof in the bend where it turns up. An auto body friend placed epoxy in the crack and although the crack/epoxy is not obvious I had planned to repaint the roof [original flat black] but hand tremors have eliminated that. No cosmetic damage otherwise. The engine was dropped from knee high onto carpeted floor. [Eight years ago my son had it upside down in his lap oiling it and dropped it between his legs when his 3 year old raised up and cut her head on a glass table].
When ready to sell I will list on the OGR Buy/Sell Forum. Most folks probably consider T/A's upgrade obsolete although it functions perfectly from Cab 1. In addition there is likely a perceived damage discount from "elite" pricing levels mentioned on the Bay,etc. In that regard pricing won't be anywhere near $1,000. [but when listed on OGR 3 years ago at sub- $800 price I received zero response].
PRRronbh posted:The FM Train Master looks pretty good, but. I am a bit surprised after the great job Lionel did with the Hi-Nose GP30's
that they missed a particular detail for the Souther FM Train Master. The pilot decks were stepped down for the safety of the crews.
MTH did get this Southern detail correct.
Note different height in pilot deck of PRR at left vs. Southern at right.
Ron
Yes, I agree. Lionel outdid themselves in regards to the GP30's. I originally purchased one SRR GP-30, but I loved it so much that I purchased the other road number.
Another thing that bothers me about Lionel's SRR FM, is the absence of the bell on the front of the loco.
Also, after looking through the new 2016 catalog, I wish Lionel would have waited to make the SRR 21 inch passenger cars with the new "non-skirted" tooling unveiled in the new catalog.
Lionel's 81181 Southern Railway Heavy Mikado
Lionlman posted:Lionel's 81181 Southern Railway Heavy Mikado
Beautiful locomotive. Congrats on the purchase. Let's see a video, please. Tyler
Neal, nice engine and photos. Thanks for sharing.
Lionel's 82238 Southern Railway Alco PAs
Lionlman posted:Lionel's 81181 Southern Railway Heavy Mikado
Sure would like to see some images of the "Fireman's" side!
Ron
Tyler,
Your new passenger cars look great. The trucks are nicely done along with the other details. The new packaging looks good too. Thanks for sharing the photos! Ken
Very nice cars
Thanks for the kind words. The new lighting system is really cool. Can't wait for the 3rd Rail SRR E8 to arrive.
Well since "LIONLMAN" did not post images of the Heavy Mikado fireman's side I will.
And also a tighter shot of the smoke box,
As a Southern fan would like a good representation of a Ms-4 Heavy Mikado. And as we all should know the three-rail makers most probably will NOT invest 150/200K for die cast tooling for at best a few hundred sales.
My personal philosophy is not to spend $$$$ on motive power that is NOT Very, Very, Very close to prototype. And it is Very to Very, Very close for cabin/cabooses. As stated before Lionel did hit it out of the park with the Southern & N&W high-nose GP30s.
But this Mikado falls short. But it could have been a contender.
First off 4866 has the more numerous Elesco water heaters on the top front of the smoke box. Although 4866 had a Alligator guide and the split walkways as Lionel's model.
Now if Lionel would have researched they would have found that 4829 used the worthington heater, had Alligator guide and split walkway much like their model. Also from the so so picture of 4829 I found, it appears that the worthington heater is mounted just below the walkway between the pump and cab. So even If a Worthington heater could add as an add on, it would not look too bad. Also the apparent add on turbine on top of the smoke-box in front of the stack should not be there but should be just in front of the cab fireman's side.
And of course the the quintessential Southern steam engine look is the slight lower than center headlight. Also on the Lionel model the classlights should be moved more outward. Now presuming that the smokebox front is an separate piece it could have been tooled for a modest price.
Now I for one would have been willing to pony up $100 to $150 more to make this model Very, Very + close.
So disappointing, sure would like a Ms-4!
Ron
Another issue with Lionel's 4866 is the dynamo mounted just behind the bell. This should be located just in front of the cab.
The biggest problem with models of Southern steam is what they did at Spencer and other shops during the 1940s. As part of their rebuilding and modernizing steam locomotives, many had the walkways changed beside the smoke box, allowing easier access for the shop crews to do their work. The SRHA has documented this well in past issues of TIES magazine. You could tell the shop that serviced the locomotive by the design of the new steps and handrails. This Lionel model, even if totally correct for a Worthington Feeder locomotive, would still not by prototypically correct for the mid 1940s - early 50s era. The same modification was done to the PS-4s as well. I attached an image of the 1401 as she looks now, and notice the "high ladders" on the front. Compare to any model of Lionel or MTH and see the difference. This would have been done at Spencer shops.
Now, with some decals, detail parts and paint this can be turned into a very close model of a Ms-4, but with an $1100 cost I am not sure how many modelers would take that extra route.
I have several good images of Southern Ms-4 locomotives at home on my laptop that I can upload if anyone wants to see the differences between model and in-service appearance.
Looks like MTH's new Premier Mikados, including both versions of the Southern 4501, are being pushed back from March to between July and October. Most say a July arrival, but some say October... 
I purchased a print of this Howard Fogg Oil Painting from Saluda Mercantile after visiting Saluda and the steepest mainline grade east of the Mississippi and possibly in the country.
The original is far superior than my picture would indicate, truly a beautiful print.
I agree with Larry Neal regarding Lionel's model version of Southern's Ms-4 Mikado. Lionel didn't try very hard on this Southern workhorse--the Road's mainline freight engine for 30 years. Expensive mistake at $1100.
A friend of mine had a periodical that a gentleman wrote about the old Weed Line that ran from Alexandria Va to Harrisonburg Va. The man worked the Weed Line and in his own words talked about his experiences. I forget how many years he worked but it was some very interesting reading about working for the Southern Railroad. My friend has misplaced his copy and I was wondering if anybody might have information as to where another copy could be found.
Well a few weeks ago I ran across these images of a NS GP59 taken at a NS event at the NCTM. Posted one on the week photo thread. Posting all four with a story.
In 2000 I accepted a position as Quality Manager at a manufacturing plant adjacent to the NCDOT double mainline tracks through. In fact shared office area on second floor over the QA testing lab. We had two large picture windows overlooking that mainline only about 40-yards away. Due to build shape only had a few degrees of view. Was very hard not to spend time looking out. One day recall looking out as train went by to see an Abraham M1A1 on a flat. I tried to discipline myself not to look like I was paying too much attention to trains going by. And one day from the corner of my eye I a green and white (imitation aluminum) engine go by. Did not get a good look. Asked train friends and found it was this 4610. The Southern rides again!
Ron
clinchfield bill posted:A friend of mine had a periodical that a gentleman wrote about the old Weed Line that ran from Alexandria Va to Harrisonburg Va. The man worked the Weed Line and in his own words talked about his experiences. I forget how many years he worked but it was some very interesting reading about working for the Southern Railroad. My friend has misplaced his copy and I was wondering if anybody might have information as to where another copy could be found.
http://www.amazon.com/Southern...Hepler/dp/1883089638
Lionlman posted:Williams custom painted U33C with high hood added
Williams custom painted SD-45 with high hood added
MTH custom painted GP-30 with high hood added
I have had the U33C and GP-30 converted to TMCC with Railsounds.
Neal Jeter
Just came across these. Great job! How hard was it to build the high hood? I want to do something similar to my Lionel SD40-2's.
I used a zona saw to remove the roof of the low hood. I tried to use a Dremel cut off wheel but all it did was melt the plastic. I built the high sides and nose with sheet styrene. I then used super glue to attach the styrene to the roof and sides. I then used auto body putty to fill in any gaps. I then spray painted the entire engine flat black. I used Microscale O scale Southern Railway decals. After this I sprayed the entire engine with dullcote.
Neal Jeter
The firecracker antenna, and bell and bracket are O scale detail parts. I don't remember if they were Keil, CalScale, or Precision Scale. The ladder rungs are staples I bent and cut to size. The headlights and number boards I saved from the engines and reused them.
Neal Jeter
Hello All!, Here is my latest addition to my layout! MTH-Premier Southern PS-3 E-8 Diesel Engine #6900. I have a video and some pictures of my latest engine.................Rogerw.
Roger:
Thanks for sharing.
Neal Jeter
Roger,
Congrats on your new E8. Did MTH update the trucks to the modern 3 axle arrangement with the blind axle in the middle instead of the inner most axle? In other words, flange-blind-flange instead of B-F-F. The older E8s I have are the latter and they derail constantly in switches.
Cheers,
Bryan
Hello Bryan, The trucks are the same as previous editions of MTH-Premier E-8 Engines..............Rogerw.
Man, that's a really nice train Roger!
RidgeRunner posted:Roger,
Congrats on your new E8. Did MTH update the trucks to the modern 3 axle arrangement with the blind axle in the middle instead of the inner most axle? In other words, flange-blind-flange instead of B-F-F. The older E8s I have are the latter and they derail constantly in switches.
Cheers,
Bryan
Hi Bryan,
Although this arrangement is not prototypical, it is functional in that long frame diesels can negotiate O-31.
I do not recall hearing of this problem so am curious. What brand (manufacturer) of switch(s) and track is involve? What diameter curves/switch(s)? Are the switches and connected track the same brand? What (by MTH item number) is/are the engine(s) involved?
As said just curious since hace not seen this type of problem and have several MTH engines with this arrangement.
Ron
PRRronbh posted:RidgeRunner posted:Roger,
Congrats on your new E8. Did MTH update the trucks to the modern 3 axle arrangement with the blind axle in the middle instead of the inner most axle? In other words, flange-blind-flange instead of B-F-F. The older E8s I have are the latter and they derail constantly in switches.
Cheers,
Bryan
Hi Bryan,
Although this arrangement is not prototypical, it is functional in that long frame diesels can negotiate O-31.
I do not recall hearing of this problem so am curious. What brand (manufacturer) of switch(s) and track is involve? What diameter curves/switch(s)? Are the switches and connected track the same brand? What (by MTH item number) is/are the engine(s) involved?
As said just curious since hace not seen this type of problem and have several MTH engines with this arrangement.
Ron
Hi Ron,
Yep, I already recognize and agree as to the O-31 functionality. To your question, O-72 MTH Realtrax and Lionel Fastback turnouts.
Previous detailed discussion is here where others reported the same issue I've had in ABA configuration. It's nice MTH sells the A units singly now and without the tether. It's sad to have to leave the old BA units in the box because they don't play nice together with the lead A.
https://ogrforum.com/t...63#36484918432457163
Bryan
c.sam posted:Man, that's a really nice train Roger!
Thanks c.sam!
That is a nice engine.
That new train inspired me to post something from my family history. This is from my Mother's collection. My Grandfather worked for Southern out of Chattanooga as a fireman. As they transitioned from steam to diesel, this was the only training he got on the new technology. An instruction manual for his new assignment, the EMC FTA #6100. One day I would like to get a model of that train.
Yep, I already recognize and agree as to the O-31 functionality. To your question, O-72 MTH Realtrax and Lionel Fastback turnouts.
Previous detailed discussion is here where others reported the same issue I've had in ABA configuration. It's nice MTH sells the A units singly now and without the tether. It's sad to have to leave the old BA units in the box because they don't play nice together with the lead A.
https://ogrforum.com/t...63#36484918432457163
Bryan
Hi Bryan,
Just got to ask how did/do you mate the two dissimilar track types and get a smooth transition? Especially since the FasTrack rail ends are NOT even?
Ron
PRRronbh posted:Yep, I already recognize and agree as to the O-31 functionality. To your question, O-72 MTH Realtrax and Lionel Fastback turnouts.
Previous detailed discussion is here where others reported the same issue I've had in ABA configuration. It's nice MTH sells the A units singly now and without the tether. It's sad to have to leave the old BA units in the box because they don't play nice together with the lead A.
https://ogrforum.com/t...63#36484918432457163
Bryan
Hi Bryan,
Just got to ask how did/do you mate the two dissimilar track types and get a smooth transition? Especially since the FasTrack rail ends are NOT even?
Ron
Ron,
I don't mix track. I have Realtrax (for now). Friends have Fastrack. The problem occurs on both O-72 switch types. Thanks for the discussion but I don't want to hijack the thread away from Roger's posting of his SR E8 acquisition. He was kind enough to answer my question.
All the best,
Bryan
Hello All, These photos are for clarification on the MTH-Premier Southern E-8 Diesel engine. The engines from left to right are:
MTH-Premier Southern E-8 (2002) Left
MTH-Premier Southern E-8 (2010) Middle
MTH-Premier Southern E-8 (2016) Right
There is also 2 pictures showing Southern E-8 Engine# 6900 with ditch lights....................RogerW.
Those Southern's have a beautiful paint scheme. They're a great looking diesel.
I must resist!
Contemporary survivors!
Ron
Roger, does the 2002 model have a MARS light?
Nice line-up! (Notice I didn't say lash-up 
)
Hey C.Sam, the engine on the left side of my picture above is the 1st release of the Southern ABA PS-2 (5 volt battery) diesel engine set. It has the Mars light and a headlight...............rogerw.
Great work folks.
I received an invoice from Brian at Legacy Station today. The Lionel Southern StationSounds diner and the Lionel Legacy Southern GP9s are shipping.
Neal Jeter
Southern Railway StationSounds dining car. It has announcements for the Southerner.
Neal Jeter
Lionel Legacy Southern Railway GP9s.
Neal Jeter
Nice photos Neal. Can you share a video of the sounds of the Station sounds car?
May take a couple of days, but I will try to post a video of the sounds.
Neal Jeter
This video is a little over seven minutes long. Some of the sounds are out of sequence but you get the idea of what sounds the dining car has. Also to keep the car in the video I had to move the camera so it is shaky in some spots.
Neal, thanks for sharing the video. The sound and dialog on station sounds car sound great!
What would you think of a Vanderbilt tender behind the Southern 4-8-2 #1491:
Just kidding, don't shoot!!!
I'm in the process of converting this Lionel engine to a Seaboard Mountain with Vandy tender. Still have a loooong way to go and then I have to rework some of the boiler accoutrements (sand dome, part of the running board, bell)!!!
I think it looks great, did Southern ever have any Vanderbilt tenders???
In 1942 Southern acquired from the Erie seven 2-8-2s that had Vanderbilt tenders. They were numbered 6630-6636 and were rebuilt at the Finlay Shops. This information comes from the Southern Steam Power book by Harold Ranks and Shelby Lowe.
Neal Jeter
Lionel's Southern Railway Alco PAs and 21" passenger cars.
In the TMCC section of the forum, I'm upgrading my 4501 Mikado made by Lionel 24 years ago. It's not done yet, but just enough that I could get this shot outdoors.
I guess there are some perks of not having a permanent layout. And it's cool what you can do with a little PhotoShopping.
BTW, look closely, and you'll see that I've painted the cowcatcher rim and the edges of the pilot to make the engine look much more like the prototype was when it was painted green.
Thanks Neal! I forgot I had Prince's book on the Southern, there's a photo of ex-Erie 6630 on page 112.
Bob
The Erie engines with the Vanderbilt tenders that Neal noted were assigned to the Alabama Great Southern for oil train duty when German submarines literally shut down the Gulf and East Coast wartime tanker shipping from the Gulf ports to Northeastern ports. TIES had an article noting the difficulty Southern engineers had initially in getting use to the surges in long tanker train consists. Eventually experience and better tanker baffles eased the problem and the flow of fuel for factories and folks continued for the wartime economy, earning Southern an "E" for efficiency award from the U.S. government.
Trivia Dept
I don't think anyone has posted photos of the LionChief Plus Southern 4501.
Thanks Dewey! I guess that was a lot of fuel sloshing around behind the engine 
I wish we had more offerings with Vanderbilt tenders, give a bit of character to otherwise slab-sided tenders.
Seaboard used them quite a bit, I wonder why some RRs didn't consider them?
The Lion chief 4501 makes me think of "Southern 6910" which had an excursion career of one trip in 1966. Scroll down to the bottom of this page to see 6910. http://hawkinsrails.net/steam/program/program.htm
Received the Lionel Southern "630" from Brian at Legacy Station today. Here are a few pictures. Many thanks to Lionel for changing the tender from the one that was pictured in the catalog.
Well, the new Southern 2-8-0 looks, eh, alright. I can only imagine what some of the other guys have to say about it, though...
Well we all knew that it wasn't going to be a spot on model of the 630, it does sound good and it is a fine looking model. I'm just wondering though if it isn't a closer model to the Southern 542 over at Spencer, NC? (sorry I do not know the southern class offhand)
I'm thinking Lionel could have made this one in lieu of the 630 and gotten pretty close to the prototype. But as long as the owners enjoy it that's all that matters.
Huh, I didn't even know that engine existed, MJ. The Lionel model actually does bear pretty good resemblance to that one! If they moved the bell to the top of the boiler front, it would be even better.
I asked Eric S. if he could run it on, his layout last night and I was able to watch it on his webcam. It has nice sounding whistle and whistle steam was nicely done by Lionel. He took this video.
https://www.facebook.com/erics.../?type=2&theater
I think Lionel knocked it out of the park with the whistle this time around. Some of the recent engines I've seen (Empire State Hudsons, Heavy Mikados, FEF-3's) I felt on the fence about.
This one is great. It sounds fresh and authentic. I hope that if Lionel/ERR update their RailSounds upgrade packages, they put that whistle in for Medium steam.
From the thread about the Atlas O catalog for July to December according to Mr. Muffin's Trains we are going to see Southern Railway SD40s. It is an August announcement. I don't know about a delivery date. He said the product numbers weren't correct but this gives us an idea.
AO-30125012 SD40 Locomotive Southern (NS Heritage) 3-Rail
AO-30125013 SD40 Locomotive Southern 3-Rail
AO-30125014 SD40 Locomotive Southern 3-Rail
AO-30125020 SD40 Locomotive Southern 3-Rail
Neal Jeter
Atlantic & Yadkin/Southern 2-8-0 #542 is a cosmetic restoration and sometime movie star that was rescued from a concrete pad at a Winston-Salem park. It is the sole surviving engine of the A&Y which was shut down 12/31/49 when its bonds were liberated by Southern. The Secretary of State retired the A&Y's Charter within a few weeks.
The Museum moves it around with a tiny Yard Goat.
542 sure is shiny and clean 
not at all like the N&W 4-8-0 1134 here in Portsmouth sitting out in the elements. here's a shot when first put in place (it's got various droppings on it now):
I've been trying to understand why I don't have any Southern engines, as they came into Portsmouth. Matter of fact, I don't have but 1 piece of Southern rolling stock 
Anyone know if what came into Portsmouth was mainly passenger or was freight an important part too?
I did not like the Southern Sign that came with Menard Engine Maintenance Shed; therefore, hesitated in buying one, but finally decided to get it from my Local Mendards. I made my own sign with the Southern Logo instead of using the generic Southern sign that comes with the shed.
DaveJfr0 posted:Ah, these units are painted for post-1978 paint schemes, not as-built (these were built in 1971/72). (well the 3170, for year 2015 as-built is correct)
Counts me out unfortunately, looks like I will have to buy used and repaint my own to get the original metallic gold scheme.
Here is the artwork from Atlas for those who have yet to see it.
The write up for these says ditch lights as well, which would be right for the 3170 but wrong for the others in this scheme. I sent in an email, but haven't heard back yet. If I hear back from Atlas, I post on this page.
Might have to think about a 3170, though.
hello guys and gals..........
I just purchased an railking "Southern" NW-2 last week. Its green body with white band with gold pin stripes paint job,very nice. Its my first "Southern" engine. I am a Santa Fe fan but this Southern engine "touched" my emotions.
Tiffany
Tiffany, it sounds like you have been bitten by the Southern Railway bug. Watch out. Before long, all those other railroads will just look plain and boring...lol.
It's OK Tiffany - Santa Fe and The SOUTHERN are my two favorite RRs as well. They look great together as this shelf display above my TV illustrates. The Alco PA is a USA Trains model while the Green RS3 is by Aristocraft. Below the RS3 is a MTH RS1 in the Tuxedo scheme. You can see a SR Work Truck just to the left of the RS3 on the top shelf while the painting is from the 1956 Lionel catalog depicting "The Mighty Southern" freight set!
too.
lionel89 posted:Tiffany, it sounds like you have been bitten by the Southern Railway bug. Watch out. Before long, all those other railroads will just look plain and boring...lol.
Hello lionel89
That is a possible 
Tiffany
c.sam posted:It's OK Tiffany - Santa Fe and The SOUTHERN are my two favorite RRs as well. They look great together as this shelf display above my TV illustrates. The Alco PA is a USA Trains model while the Green RS3 is by Aristocraft. Below the RS3 is a MTH RS1 in the Tuxedo scheme. You can see a SR Work Truck just to the left of the RS3 on the top shelf while the painting is from the 1956 Lionel catalog depicting "The Mighty Southern" freight set!
too.
hello c.sam
I have not thought of that way "Santa Fe from the West meets The Southern from the East" , your display looks coooooool ! I wondered what the S.F.5011 would look like in Southern colors (green body, red roof top of the cab, gold pin stripes) ?
Tiffany
The MTH 4501 Southern Mikado has shipped to dealers. I am interested in seeing what green and black versions look like. I would like to hear the whistle in comparison to the Lionel Legacy model. Is anyone getting one and willing to share some photos and video?
Hello guys and gals.........
I might have been bitten by a Southern green bug with no possible cure !!!!!!!! I have a question to ask about gold pin stripes and cabooses. I been looking at "Railpictures.net for Southern cabooses and diesel locomotives. The question is # 1 were there any green painted bay window cabooses as most of the photos shows cabooses painted red all over, yellow bay windows and steps and white letterings, numbers but no green ones. I kind of liked the green ones as they look more fancy !! Question # 2 Most of the diesels have yellow pin stripes and letterings, numbers but very few with gold color paint used for that does this mean yellow looks better than gold and paint more tougher to stand the weather ? I wished for the railking bay window caboose to go with my railking NW-2 switcher # 30-2157-1 I bought almost 2 weeks ago. This switcher is in green color, white band and gold pin stripes,letterings , numbers (really an beautiful small engine). I really loved that switcher!!!
Tiffany
Tiffany posted:Hello guys and gals.........
I might have been bitten by a Southern green bug with no possible cure !!!!!!!! I have a question to ask about gold pin stripes and cabooses. I been looking at "Railpictures.net for Southern cabooses and diesel locomotives. The question is # 1 were there any green painted bay window cabooses as most of the photos shows cabooses painted red all over, yellow bay windows and steps and white letterings, numbers but no green ones. I kind of liked the green ones as they look more fancy !! Question # 2 Most of the diesels have yellow pin stripes and letterings, numbers but very few with gold color paint used for that does this mean yellow looks better than gold and paint more tougher to stand the weather ? I wished for the railking bay window caboose to go with my railking NW-2 switcher # 30-2157-1 I bought almost 2 weeks ago. This switcher is in green color, white band and gold pin stripes,letterings , numbers (really an beautiful small engine). I really loved that switcher!!!
Tiffany
The Southern never had green cabooses of any kind. They were always red except for a time in the 1960s when fhey were a brown color.
Those with yellow bay windows were assigned to local train service.
Locomotives were painted either black or green with variations of gold colored stripes separating the imitation aluminum stripe (not white). The stripes were not yellow, but may look that way in photographs.
Hope this helps -
Tiffany, although not prototypical as Larry stated and he knows the Southern stuff, many of the toy train makers did produce green Southern cabooses. It is your toy train world so you should check eBay for a green caboose.
Ron
The early gold striping was described as bronze gold. Sometime in the 1970s Southern started using deluxe gold which appears to be yellow. The lettering and numbers also were changed from bronze gold to deluxe gold. Southern didn't have any green cabooses. There is one painted green and numbered "1396". I have a slide of it that I purchased on eBay. The date on the slide is 12-28-92. I believe it was used as a visitors center or some other type of civic building but I don't know which town it was in. Lionel made a green Southern caboose in the 70s or 80s numbered 9273. More recent they made 27681 a green caboose.
Neal Jeter
Larry Neal posted:Tiffany posted:Hello guys and gals.........
I might have been bitten by a Southern green bug with no possible cure !!!!!!!! I have a question to ask about gold pin stripes and cabooses. I been looking at "Railpictures.net for Southern cabooses and diesel locomotives. The question is # 1 were there any green painted bay window cabooses as most of the photos shows cabooses painted red all over, yellow bay windows and steps and white letterings, numbers but no green ones. I kind of liked the green ones as they look more fancy !! Question # 2 Most of the diesels have yellow pin stripes and letterings, numbers but very few with gold color paint used for that does this mean yellow looks better than gold and paint more tougher to stand the weather ? I wished for the railking bay window caboose to go with my railking NW-2 switcher # 30-2157-1 I bought almost 2 weeks ago. This switcher is in green color, white band and gold pin stripes,letterings , numbers (really an beautiful small engine). I really loved that switcher!!!
Tiffany
The Southern never had green cabooses of any kind. They were always red except for a time in the 1960s when fhey were a brown color.
Those with yellow bay windows were assigned to local train service.
Locomotives were painted either black or green with variations of gold colored stripes separating the imitation aluminum stripe (not white). The stripes were not yellow, but may look that way in photographs.
Hope this helps -
Hello Larry Neal.........
Thank you, I learned something new tonight
Tiffany
Lionlman posted:The early gold striping was described as bronze gold. Sometime in the 1970s Southern started using deluxe gold which appears to be yellow. The lettering and numbers also were changed from bronze gold to deluxe gold. Southern didn't have any green cabooses. There is one painted green and numbered "1396". I have a slide of it that I purchased on eBay. The date on the slide is 12-28-92. I believe it was used as a visitors center or some other type of civic building but I don't know which town it was in. Lionel made a green Southern caboose in the 70s or 80s numbered 9273. More recent they made 27681 a green caboose.
Neal Jeter
Hello Neal Jeter
Thank you, I learned something new tonight
Tiffany
Years back when I was doing local shows I was in Charlotte when a guy asked me if I knew of any Green & "White" Southern cabooses. I told him that some of the O-gauge makers made them, but they were NOT prototypical but Black & "white" was. He told he did not care about prototypical he had green & white train that he want a caboose to match!
This was somewhat eye opening. When MTH brought out a 120 ton green & white crane I jumped on it thinking MTH would never get the color correct. A few years later they did. So then brought their black & "white" version thinking some day to sell the green & white one.
Will recently displayed at a couple local shows with this piece. NOT a look. Local toy train store owner is also surprised.
My post here on the "Sell" board.?
Ron
Lionlman posted:Sometime in the 1970s Southern started using deluxe gold which appears to be yellow.
Neal Jeter
It was common to see a paint called Dulux gold, not deluxe gold. Dulux is pronounced "doolux. Dulux gold, made by DuPont, was a fairly common paint used by railroads for lettering, among other things. I've seen a reference to a Soo Line paint called Deluxe gold, but that may be a misspelling, I'm not sure.
Dulux gold is not really yellow, but rather this shade, more or less. One source shows the alleged Soo Line deluxe gold as shown at the bottom, but, as stated, that might actually be Dulux gold as well. Internet color reproductions are somewhat variable. Maybe Southern had something else, but I'm not aware of it.
kjstrains posted:The MTH 4501 Southern Mikado has shipped to dealers. I am interested in seeing what green and black versions look like. I would like to hear the whistle in comparison to the Lionel Legacy model. Is anyone getting one and willing to share some photos and video?
Ken, to answer, even though I would love to hear the sounds on these new engines, I passed on getting them. They look nice, but not a grand plus nice. I personally found more satisfaction taking the old Lionel '92 model that DOES have the 95% correct shape and form and upgrading it to more up to date everything for about 2/3's of the new models' cost (PS3 or even Legacy).
The funny thing is very few people take photos or videos of any MTH Mikados. YouTube is pretty barren of any - unless you count the HO models. It's quite odd honestly...
Thomas, Great job on the upgrade. Your engine looks and sounds great. I agree with engine painted green instead of black. I have the K-line 4501 in green which I like the detail on it but does lack the correct shape. I am still interested in seeing the MTH version to compare. Thanks for sharing your video.
The Lionel volume 2 catalog 2016 has Southern SD45 in it, but that is it for anything Southern.
kjstrains posted:The Lionel volume 2 catalog 2016 has Southern SD45 in it, but that is it for anything Southern.
How does it compare (Cat Pic) to this one?
More high hood Southern engines. Thank you Lionel.
Neal Jeter
Ken,
Eric Siegel posted a livestream today which featured the Southern Mikado in the current black scheme.
Personally, I think the whistle sounds terrific, and really suits the engine well.
Great shots of Eric's hand!
Lionlman posted:Received the Lionel Southern "630" from Brian at Legacy Station today. Here are a few pictures. Many thanks to Lionel for changing the tender from the one that was pictured in the catalog.
hello lionlman, guys and gals....
That's a sharp looking Consol !!! I have been bitten hard by a "Southern" bug from my railking NW-2 switcher which has the road name "Southern" in green colors and gold pin stripes beautiful little diesel. It looks easy to make changes to my S.F. 5011 2-10-4 to "Southern 5011" just add white stripe on the running boards, paint the window frames Red and add "Southern" name and small number bellow the cab windows. Southern didn't have large Texas type locomotives or did they ? What was the largest 10 driver locomotive they had ?
Tiffany
The Southern Railway had 2-10-2 "Santa Fe" type engines #5000 to #5249 delivered before 1920.
According to TIES Magazine Southern personnel referred to their 2-10-2 Santa Fe class as "Hogs" and /or "Big Fifties". The engines were equipped with floating front drivers and saw a lot of duty as pushers on the sharp curves of the Asheville Division A few were eventually converted to 2-8-2 Mikados---classed as Ms-5 and Ms-6.
In 1918 #5046 was equipped as a "tender tractor" with a 2-6-2 tender under steam and survived until scrapped in 1926.
Far as I know the Southern did not have any 2-10-4 Steam Locomotives on its roster. They did use the 610 Texas and Pacific steam locomotive in excursion service in the late 1970’s as seen in the photo below. I was hoping that one the Manufactures would create this model. It was used as one of the American Freedom Train engines so I figure someone could create it for American Freedom Train and then offer it as Southern excursion train too but there appears not to be much interest.
Thomas
I happened to be online when Eric was broadcasting. Thanks for sharing his broadcast at Legacy Station. The whistle does sound good. The quilling whistle is the same as Southern 4-6-2's and Kanawha that MTH has done in the past. I was hoping that would be different. Too bad he did not take some up close shots of the engine. I noticed in the catalog that MTH did the cab different on both engines. On the Scale engine they did it different as seen below. I am not sure if the Scale engine is correct. These photos are from the catalog; therefore, I was interested in seeing one up close.
Hi-Rail Wheels Below
Scale Version Below.
Hi-Rail Wheels below
Scale Version Below.
It appears not too many dealers order these. I guess not too many are interested.
KJSTRAINS, you are in luck. 3rd rail is doing the 610 in Southern livery. But, it has a hefty price tag.
kjstrains posted:Thomas
Hi-Rail Wheels below
Scale Version Below.
It appears not too many dealers order these. I guess not too many are interested.
Interesting, the Hi-Rail is more prototypically correct!
Ron
Access to this requires an OGR Forum Supporting Membership
