I completely stop an engine with my cab2, but it then starts creeping on it's own!! This has occurred with different engines(legacy and non legacy). Has anyone experienced this? What may be causing this?? I have 2 TPC in the layout
stan
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Yes! I find that the Cab two has a very sensitive knob and just moving the Cab 2 around in your hand will cause whatever is inside the workings under the knob to sense that rotation has occurred. If I am very careful when laying the remote down, this will usually not happen but I have gotten used to just hitting the TR button before I lay the remote down and this completely solves the issue.
Good luck and happy railroading,
Don
But, if it weren't the CAB knob jiggling, what could cause this??
When I rotate the red knob to reduce the speed of my Legacy locomotives to zero, they often go back to a speed of 1, which is a very slow creep. I'm sure I don't touch the red knob to make this happen.
On a similar note, I once had a brand new MTH Z1000 transformer (speed control and brick), that did the same thing, creeping. I was able to return and exchange it, but no one was ever able to explain what was happening to it. It was almost like there was a little gremlin inside moving the control.
I have the same problem.When you get it to stop try running the red dial a few revolutions counter clock wise.Works for me.
Why it happens I do not know. It does the same with a Cab1. If you rock the remote right and left a couple of times it will happen.
Bill
Happens to me all the time with a CAB-1. I don't have a Legacy set so can't comment on that. I've always assumed that I'm just unconsciously tweaking the red knob when that happens, or that it doesn't have enough friction to hold it in place.
Common here for me to ..
When that happens with me, I just push the reverse button 2 times. I notice this more with K-line engines.
The read knob is sensitive, I've bumped it to 1 more than a few times
When that happens with me, I just push the reverse button 2 times. I notice this more with K-line engines.
I use the reverse button sometimes to stop the train. Pretty responsive.
I see this regularly with the Legacy. I've turned off the VDC so I can just flip the knob CCW again to stop them and not reverse. It's apparently that the throttle knob is just very sensitive, it happens on all the Legacy remotes, so it's not just one failing.
Could this possibly be a flaw in the controller? It seems quite a common occurance to be engine related. Sounds like a call to Mike Regan's department may be in order.
I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before with Lionel, I think it's just "the way it works" as I recall.
I too have had this happen quite often. For added insurance I have installed switches on all my yard sidings and engine terminal tracks to switch off the power to prevent unwanted startups.
Art
It seems quite a common occurance to be engine related. Sounds like a call to Mike Regan's department may be in order.
You really want to call manufacturing? Phil is in charge service now And it's Reagan, not Regan
And yes it has been discussed before, its just a very sensitiveness knob. I found I was doing it because I was keeping my thumb on the wheel, then lowering the controller caused me to knudge the knob. Once I quit resting my thumb on the wheel the problem went away
what is vdc that gunrunnerjohn mentioned he turns off in his post
Am I the only one who's never had that happen? I just use TMCC but I have a bunch of Cab-1's and never noticed it.
I can tell you how the speed control knob works, because I've had one open. There's a slotted circular wall on the bottom of the knob on the inside. It uses an IR emitter/collector pair. The IR signal passes through the slots in a make/break fashion to increment the speed. It also knows which direction it's being turned.
This is just a guess, but perhaps when you are experiencing creep, the knob is stopped on a slot, rather than the wall, translating to speed +1. You have to send a -1 to stop it.
Legacy is pretty famous "or infamous" for this, if you slightly bump the throttle knob, they'll start to creep. I see it all the time. FWIW, it rarely happens on the CAB1, not sure why. I use the CAB1 on my test bench, so it's getting used a LOT, but that's not nearly as touchy as the CAB2.
I returned two of my three Legacy 990 Remotes for repair because they would vibrate and rotate the speed dial, staring the engine moving forward after I had stopped the engine. All three came from HobbySpeed and were the newest version of software one revision back before Lionel update them'
Sincerely, John Rowlen.
I have a couple of K-Line locomotives that do it with Cab1 and 2
gunrunnerjohn posted:I see this regularly with the Legacy. I've turned off the VDC so I can just flip the knob CCW again to stop them and not reverse. It's apparently that the throttle knob is just very sensitive, it happens on all the Legacy remotes, so it's not just one failing.
John, what is vdc?
Using a Cab1, when the engine or consist stopped, using the red knob, hit the reverse direction, noted by a change in directional lighting. I had an EOB low power application, as discribed, that cause heat damage to an Atlas model.
I believe GRJ is referring to Velocity Throttle Direction Control (VTDC). By default, it is turned on so that a counterclockwise movement of the throttle will change the direction of a stopped engine.
VTDC is disabled using the CTC menu. Press the red CTC button, then turn the throttle knob. The first option you will see is VTDC on/off.
With VTDC disabled, a counterclockwise throttle adjustment will stop a creeping train, instead of causing a direction change.
GregR posted:I believe GRJ is referring to Velocity Throttle Direction Control (VTDC). By default, it is turned on so that a counterclockwise movement of the throttle will change the direction of a stopped engine.
VTDC is disabled using the CTC menu. Press the red CTC button, then turn the throttle knob. The first option you will see is VTDC on/off.
With VTDC disabled, a counterclockwise throttle adjustment will stop a creeping train, instead of causing a direction change.
Thanks. It will be nice not to have a wild one running around in stealth mode.
My CAB-2 doesn't do this, and NO it's NOT normal. It is a defect. A brand new one at our club did this and we sent it back. The replacement does not creep.
Mine doesn't creep if I just sit it down, but all of them are pretty sensitive to the throttle movement, so just bumping the red knob starts them off.
I have the same issue with my Cab-1. Mine has started to creep after I set the control down and without touching the knob. I just hit the HALT button next to the red knob.
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