The cutting room thread got me thinking...

I am with you on this Marty. This would be a treasure to have. Very interesting idea.

I think that's an awesome idea Marty. There must be a ton of unused layout photos out there. Would love to see this project come to fruition.

Would the effect be the same if OGR offered the content digitally? There are plenty of spaces out there to create photo albums. It seems that this could be done online with no major cost to the magazine or the reader. I like the idea.

I like the on-line possibility. This has real merit.

Bring on the photo's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There has to be, just has to be more of Brian's, (PTC) From this week-end!!!

where they at !!!!!????

I know when my layout was featured in OGR, I forget how many pictures they actually used, but I sent a disc with an easy 100 on them

Marty....this is a great idea and one that has been briefly discussed by Derek, Rich, and myself.  It has a lot of possibilities!!  The idea could be used to create added value for several of our products especially the digital edition.

We of course would want to emphasize those layouts the have been submitted and published in OGR using, as you have suggested, photos that were not used in the original presentation.

Alan

It could be basically like an annual. I think all the stick and ball sports do these as well as some of the motor sports organizers. Maybe a section at the end remembering those who have passed and honoring those who achieved something worthy of mention. Just thinking?

One thing to keep in mind....doing this digitally or through our Facebook site is one thing but doing it in print would be another....very expensive and we would need the advertising base support since subscriptions would not recover the cost.  Still, I like the idea and as proposed it certainly is something that could be done digitally.

Alan

Well I don't think anyone is thinking every photo taken or submitted type of thing.  I would suspect though there are a respectable amount of photos that don't contain thumbs, feet, photo bombing cats, or such that because of space considerations were kept out of the publication.

Perhaps 10 to 12 more per article were just as good but had to be left out.

Man I should always use that quote icon.

Yes - Yes  A capitol idea!

For years Model Railroader has run an annual 'Greatest Layouts' or similar with really nice reprints of the previous year's articles with added photos.  I agree that printing something like this would probably involve too much with more advertising needed but an online issue would be most welcome. Even a modest ($5) charge would be in line.

Perhaps this could be marketed to the RR hobby in general each year as an introduction to OGR's other fine features and products. 

"O Gauge's Finest Layouts Around the Country". or 'America's Amazing O Gauge Layouts'. Might bring some new readers in...

We could even  feature that fella from 'down under' to give an international appeal 

I still like that great 'yellow' stone viaduct Dave!

Thanks Terry, they are coming soon to our "local magazine".

As long as you pay the photog for the "leftovers". Just because they are not used in the magazine does not make them free to publish on the Internet. If OGR give someone $50 bucks for 3 magazine published photos, then they post three non-published photos online they owe for those as well

Wait those are the best

Actually, ever since his photo appeared in OGR as part of the Mohawk Valley train shop layout feature, this guy has become a celebrity.  Kids ask to see him before looking at the trains. Can't just toss those cat photos anymore! 

Jim...that is a great picture!!  Thanks for posting it...

Alan

Just an off-the-cuff thought: if this makes headway and becomes something, it might be interesting if OGR asks the layout owner which picture(s) that person wished would have been printed but wasn't.

I'll bet that each person says to him/herself when they see their layout in the mag "gosh, I wish they would have included picture X".

- walt

I'd like to jump in here and try to clear up a few things.

Marty's suggestion in the OP is a good one. We have added extra images in the past in a couple of issues, as I recall. We often have several good images that we can't use in the printed magazine because of space constraints. We prefer to run a smaller number of images at a larger size as opposed to running a whole bunch of images that are all 2" x 3". Any extra, unused images can easily be added to some extra pages in the On-Line Digital Magazine.

To implement this on a regular basis requires us to make a slight internal procedure change here at the OGR World Headquarters. Editor Allan Miller and I have to develop a slightly different procedure for handling the images in-house for each issue. In addition to choosing the images themselves, we also have to write captions for them so you'll know what you are looking at.

Doing things a little differently here will enable us to use the extra images in the Digital Magazine. We will work on this.

The reason I have posted this is that many magazines and publications have been sued over reusing photos that were submitted for an article in a magazine but were not published. Then they decide to reuse them online or to publish them without securing those rights to use them for a secondary purpose.

I have never seen a contract from OGR so I cannot say if this is covered. But if I were to submit photos along with an article and say only 3 of 10 submitted were published, then in the future the others were republished as a "best of not chosen" or for some other article a bill and a DCMA take down order would be sent unless the original agreement for the article gave OGR all rights for all photos submitted

About a year ago I had an image that was supposed to be used for  event promotion (flyers, online)  turn up in a publication as illustrating a feature story about the activity as a whole. The publisher ended up paying me nicely and still had to respond to the DCMA takedown notice sent to their ISP

Make it clear I am not calling out OGR on this one.  But anyone who wants to reuse images beyond the original intent has to secure rights to the images before they can be published to a website or used for an additional article.

Chris, don't you think we might be aware of the issues you've raised in your posts? And don't you think we might already have it covered?

C'mon man...I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.

I figured you guys would have it handled, that was more aimed at those who think it's just a matter that you guys have all sorts of extra pics available and can just publish them. Photos rights in the digital age is a nightmare since to may people think photos are free to use if they find them online somewhere

I would say no, but really that is up to the photographer, I would say that if Rich or Jim gave some photos back to the owner of the  layout, and those pictures turned up on some other publication, they would have every right to demand they be taken down if there wasn't an agreement for the photos ownership to be transferred and publication rights granted to the layout owner.

OK...we are going to stop playing "Lawyer" now.

I find this whole discussion to be absolutely amazing. Marty E makes a really good suggestion about publishing extra images in our digital magazine and it turns into a so-called "discussion" of our legal rights to do so!

Unbelievable...I have closed the thread.