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@Don McErlean There are probably people with a much more qualified opinion than mine who can comment on Marx Motors , but I just think they are made simple and made well, clarifying here I am referring to the simple 4 wheel variants or double reduction ones  !  ... just a rudimentary design made well with no real adjustments necessary, about the worst thing that will happen to most people is the need for an armature clean and brush maintenance, which is really simple a trio of screws and 2 nuts and you are there in 2 minutes, rarely needs nothing more than a quick scrub with a fibreglass pencil and maybe a cotton bud with alcohol. Brush retaining springs are simple as and auto adjusting , even the e-unit if it has one is just a spray with contact cleaner, same as the manual reversing contacts

Just built well, non-complicated, nothing that needs gauging or finicky adjustments .. unbolt, clean , re-bolt, run !

9 times out of 10 even an old one just needs a drop of oil on shafts and it will run. I just like them because simple and well built beats technical and bean counter cost cutting every time.

Mr Marx knew what he was building and got it right early on and stuck with it basically

Change for change sake affects too many things in this world , I don't need a toilet seat that cost $10,000 and has user customisations and selections , I just need something to stop my bum hitting the water !

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Why buy one?  From layout viewing distance, I'll bet it's hard to tell that yours is printed.

I scaled this up a bit from an original, probably about twenty percent larger. An original no. 91 would be the same size as a no. 90, but it looks dramatically undersized because the doors/windows/etc. are sized to fit the tin body, not the other way around. I scaled the no. 91 up so that the windows and doors look sorta correct by comparison.

I'd been looking for a nice original Marx West Side Warehouse for the layout, but those seem really scarce, especially one that doesn't look like Dad backed the family wagon over it Christmas morning. Ed Berg posted some nice scans of the WSW graphics on his site, so I think I'll just use those to make a paper version. There are some plastic bits (doors, chimney, skylight, etc.) that I'll have to fabricate, but shouldn't be too tough.

Until I can find nice originals of these things, the paper versions will serve as place-holders on the layout.

PD

Yes the Marx drum head does resemble the "Rising Sun" symbol of Imperial Japan.  However in the late 1930's this was not as well known as after 1941.  In fact the US insignia on our aircraft had a solid red circle in the middle of the star, this was removed after '41 to reduce the chances of mistaken identification.  This car most likely dates between 1936-1946 with further dating based on the "tail" of the tab/slot extension.  Eyelet rivet 1936, twisted tail 1938, punched tail 1946

Great looking car, good find!

Don

About 2 wks ago at a local train show, I was able to acquire this #2653 black, rubber stamped, hopper.  A late pre-war car from 1940-41 it was part of Lionel's effort to make their line more realistic.  They were removing the number plates and replacing the decoration with more realistic rubber stamping.  In addition, the older latch type couplers were being replaced by couplers capable of automatic operation, in this case electric solenoid actuated box couplers.  So here are some pictures of my "new" 84 year old hopper!

I must say that after 84 years, she is fully complete.  All the ladders and brake wheels are intact and the rubber stamping, while it has a few scratches is remarkably complete.  Her dump hatches still work and are properly actuated with the opening wheel on the side of the car.  In fact, I am 80 this month and I am sure there are many that would say I am not nearly as complete nor do I work as well...

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Best Wishes

Don

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Happy birthday Don......and I'm not so sure about the comments of "not nearly as complete nor do I work as well".  You certainly impressed us (Sue and I) when we went to dinner with you at "The Olive Garden" a couple of months ago, when we were travelling through Waco, Texas.

Great little coal hopper wagon as well.....you sure can pick them!!!

Stay safe and continue keeping well Don.

Peter.....Buco Australia.

Got the frame on the Flyer 3015 beaten back into shape, so she went into service this past week:

I gotta move a Lionel 270 bridge that catches the "automatic" direction-control lever when the 3015 passes through. Easy enough to move the 270 from the outside loop to the inside loop of the "mainline". Might replace it with a prewar Flyer girder bridge if there's sufficient clearance.

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Hello, fellow tinplaters I have a request for some help.  I recently acquired a German (it is marked "made in Germany") what the seller stated was a 1930'ish open slotted reefer.  The odd thing is that the car is labeled "Milk Traffic" and those words are in English, hence it must have been made for export likely to either UK or US.  It has a trademark printed on the bottom but I cannot read the name of the mfr nor does there seem to be any other reference to who made the car.  I am going to post pictures below, including one of the trademark.  I am hoping someone here can help me ID the maker and perhaps when it might have been made.  THANKS!

Here is the car, it is 4 wheel and about 5 1/2 " long, dark green, accented with yellow rivet highlights and obviously imprinted with the English words "Milk Traffic"  The trademark states "made in Germany" and you can see the European style couplers.

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Here is the mystery.  This is the trademark printed on the bottom of the car.  The top words, which I can read in the actual mark say..."Made in Germany" but the words after the picture of the little 2 window house I cannot read.

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Anyone who could help me out to determine the maker and when it was made would be most appreciated.  The seller claimed 1930's but who knows?

Thanks for your help

Don

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Here is the mystery.  This is the trademark printed on the bottom of the car.  The top words, which I can read in the actual mark say..."Made in Germany" but the words after the picture of the little 2 window house I cannot read.

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Anyone who could help me out to determine the maker and when it was made would be most appreciated.  The seller claimed 1930's but who knows?

Thanks for your help

Don

Don,

a B lying in a W says "Bing Werke". The milk traffic car has the No 62/560, was made 1923-1928.

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Terrific little Bing Milk Wagon Don!

They also did it in the plain jane cattle car version

Not much new to report but I did find a little set I have been on the look out for years

You sometimes see the loco listed for sale , but to find a complete box set was a bonus indeed !

I "think" its c1950's and unsure as to maker but def UK origins

@Fatman- What a neat set.  It seems like an early version of those Japanese and other inexpensive toy sets that we saw awhile back from the 1960's.  Much more realistic, those later ones with their very bright livery, do not have the "look" for real trains even though they are fun.  I had never seen the maker "Sunnyvale" before, I wonder if they made any other train toys.  I also noticed some interesting stickers on your box.  One of them from "Walther & Steve ..." has a message that I cannot read but I was wondering what it said?  In addition, the handwritten note..."Packd"  was interesting even if misspelled (at least in American English if the work is packed.)  It's fun to think about what was so important to the long ago owners that they had to put those stickers and wording on the box?

Great set for sure!  Thanks also for the pictures of the plain cattle version of my Milk Traffic van.  I must admit I am still a little curious about why the words "Milk Traffic" are in English (even the 3 cars Arne showed in his picture are in English) and so I am assuming that these items were made by Bing for export to either UK or US.

Glad to have you back on the forum Fatman, great to hear from you again.

Best Wishes

Don

@Buco ...Peter, my friend, I am sure you have followed the above inputs on this thread.  I am pleased to say that Arne identified my little Milk Traffic van as Bing and the makers stamp as a "B" nestled inside a "W" for Bing Werke and gave it a year of manufacture of 1923-1928.  As you can imagine I am thrilled with that information.

Best Wishes Mate!

Don



Great set for sure!  Thanks also for the pictures of the plain cattle version of my Milk Traffic van.  I must admit I am still a little curious about why the words "Milk Traffic" are in English (even the 3 cars Arne showed in his picture are in English) and so I am assuming that these items were made by Bing for export to either UK or US.

Glad to have you back on the forum Fatman, great to hear from you again.

Best Wishes

Don

Yes, was made for UK.

Here the picture from UK catalog 1928.

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Yes Don.....Arne is definitely "the man" when it comes to identifying European tinplate trains that have some age about them!!!

Fatman: Great to hear from you again.......we "boys from the bush" have to stick together. That is an unusual looking  "shunting engine" set, and it looks to be in very good condition....great find, and thanks for sharing!!!

Once again, Arne, you have sourced an incredible little train set that has survived 100 years almost intact. I sure hope I make it that far, and look half as good as it does at 100.

Played trains again yesterday with my neighbor's 5yr old son (he has Autism), and we had a ball. He is so clever using the transformer controls, hitting the bell and whistle buttons, and bringing the trains (yes we had two trains running at the same time - on separate tracks) to a stop, and then reversing them. That's what playing trains is all about......still have a smile on my face!!!

Peter.......Buco Australia.

Arne:  First thank you for confirming that my Milk Traffic van by Bing was made for the UK marked and showing me that catalog cut.  Now I have to find those Milk cans ! 

The train by Fischer is just great.  I love these old tinplate items although I have managed only to collect a very few of them, I still seek them out to add to my collection when I am lucky enough to find one.  Best of luck with your new train.  It certainly looks in far better condition than its 100 year old age.

Best Wishes

Don

As we are on Bing theme, here is my latest find, a lovely BING die cast loco for the New York Central from 1925-30. It is in good condition except that the commutator has exploded in three parts.... it is not going to be an easy fix and finding a replacement one is a dream so.... I have to do something to make it run again...

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All my best wishes, Daniel

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Wow Daniel, its great to hear from you again, hope all is well in France!  Your Bing cattle car was really neat to see.  I am afraid except for my Milk Traffic van I have no other Bing items, so I am very interested in what they offered as they are a very famous brand name and were very active in the US in the early part of the 20th century.  Your Bing locomotive is great.  Like my Milk Traffic van it too must have been intended for the export market from Germany as it is labeled NYC lines, in English.

By the way, it is really good to have you back on the forum.  Thanks for posting.

Don

@Arne=  WOW what can I say!  You folks have some really neat livestock cars for sure.  Arne the "horse" car and the "pig" car with their special accommodations are really interesting, I have not seen anything like that before. P.S. I love the pigs, did you actually find those with the car or are they a later find?   I just purchased an IVES cattle car (actually made by Lionel and lithographed with IVES name)  It was only available for one year (1932 I believe) than Lionel transitioned all the lithographed cars to the Lionel name but for some reason did NOT bring the cattle car across.   It should arrive in about a week and I will picture it when it arrives.

Here is my current 2 deck livestock car, its a Lionel "Circus" car from 1956-1957.  No where near the antique age of the cars Arne showed but I thought you might like to see it anyway, in case you haven't before.

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Well till I get my Ives Cattle car I will see you then.

Best Wishes and great posts.

Don

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Hello Don, many thanks for your kind words. I have left during some time but always have a look to the best forum. Bing has been a prolific train manufacturer and had a huge production, they made some specific items for Great Britain, France and USA.

Some models where not expensives as the littje clockwork locos, tender is lettered for the New York Central and Hudson River

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And the matching passenger car, there is also an observation one that I still have to find...

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Daniel: Thank you for the photos of your Buco "Personwagon" and "Mailwagon". I also have numerous examples of these two wagons, being such an avid collector of all things Buco Spur O.

I have attached a couple of photos of a very special "Personwagon" I have in my possession.

All of the early Buco passenger carriages manufactured by the Bucherer family were all signed/labelled as 2nd class and 3rd class, but I have one of the very few later versions made that depict 1st class and 2nd class!!! They are rare and not easily found.

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I believe they were manufactured by Fritz Krahenbuhl for a short time (early 2000) when he obtained all of the dies and presses from the original Buco Bucherer bankruptcy, and he continued on with the Buco legend for a few short years.

Peter.....Buco Australia.

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Daniel / Peter :  Wow, Buco is the one mfr that I have never been able to connect with.  Its super rare here in the US at least in the places that I can access.  They really are neat looking and thanks to both for posting.

Arne - the Cattle wagons by Bing are really neat, its amazing that the pigs are still with the car.  Those kind of add on items are so easily lost and we are talking quite a long time.  Daniel thanks to you too for showing those Bing items, the loco is really neat and made for the "New York City and Harlem" RR ...

I am expecting delivery of a "rare" (at least in my view) cattle car that I have ordered from e-bay.  It is the "Ives" (actually made by Lionel) lithographed #1708 Cattle car.  This was one of several lithographed sheet metal freight cars that Lionel made when they took over Ives about 1930-31.  They continued to produce these cars (All except the Cattle car) up until the War Production Board stopped toy manufacturing and re-did the lithography making over the IVES logo into the Lionel name but they did NOT bring across the Cattle Car (why? - who knows) and so the Cattle car was only marketed and available for one year, 1931.  As you might imagine this makes it quite unusual.  So when I get it I will post pictures.

Best Wishes everyone.  Glad to see you all back on the forum.

Don

After cleaning and repairs, the next one from Heinrich Fischer.

A clockwork train set made around 1930.

This set is probably unique, I don't know of any other manufacturer that has built something like it.

There is a 4.5 volt flat battery in the base of the lamp. After switching on the lamp, the track also has power.

The lighting in the signal box building and the front lamp of the clockwork locomotive are then supplied via the track.

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Yes Daniel (FRENCHTRAINS)......the early manufactured Buco wagons had a "riveted" coupler connection (fine steel pin squashed at its end to retain the drop link coupler) where-as the more recent examples (from about the 1970's onward) had a small threaded pin and nut to secure the coupler. This is the easiest way to define the manufacture.

I believe it was in this change-over period that the lithograph lettering changed from yellow/gold to white, as shown in your examples.

Many spare parts are still available directly from Buco Spur O GmbH (https://buco-gmbh.ch/) as well as from Erich at Amiba Lokschupppen (https://www.amiba-shop.ch/Ersatzteile/Buco-Spur-0/)

Peter.....Buco Australia.

@Arne- that new set you acquired from Fischer is quite unique.  I really love how in the earlier days the manufacturer's all faced a similar problem.  How to get electrical power from the supply in the proper and safe voltage to run the trains and accessories.  Their varied solutions are interesting for sure.  I am surprised that more did not move to batteries since by the 1930's electric flashlights were common and the so called "D" battery was everywhere.  Lionel only experimented with batteries very early, back when many homes did not have electricity.  They pretty much abandoned this approach and never went back to it.  Interesting the decisions the various companies and their technical leadership came to.

Don

OH HAPPY DAYS!!!!!

I have just the other day been able to figure out why my Australian built "Ferris" O gauge 3 rail tinplate steam locomotive and tender would not track well around my Buco curves for nigh on 60yrs. I have attached a link to an article describing how the building of this great Australian tinplate train occurred, for a short number of years.

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Here is a recent picture of my little baby that I have owned since brand new back in 1958'ish (I was 6 or 7 years old), when my father apparently (as the story goes) saw it in a local store, and offered the shop keeper a reduced amount to move it on.

OK, to start with, here is the original box it came in, now showing quite some wear and tare, just like its original human owner.

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The loco is a 4-6-0 configuration, but the interesting thing about my particular model is that the open-framed and field coil motor is located in the tender, and this "drives' or "pushes" the loco around. Basically, the loco is a "dummy", with all the tractive power being supplied by the tender.

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I have replaced the original roller pick-ups with Buco "spoon" pick-ups (I have kept the original roller pick-ups), to allow it to glide seamlessly through my Buco turnouts and crossings. You can see the worm gear on the motor meshing with the brass gears on the front axles of the tender. This tender had "traction tires" on the drive wheels way back in the late 1950's!!!!

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The footplate (seen below) is the structural connection between the loco and the tender, and allows the power from the tender to "push" or "pull" the "dummy" loco around, depending on its direction. The tender also has an E-unit very similar to that in the early Lionel loco's, where a rod is pulled up and dropped down to rotate the cogged contact barrel, to get forward - neutral - reverse etc.

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OK, the problem that has plagued this loco for over 60 years is.......if the loco is pushed moderately fast (not at the speed of sound) into a curve, it would rear-up slightly off the inner rail of the curve, and then it would de-rail, sometimes spectacularly!!!

For whatever reason, I had it out of the box last week, to give it a run on the "new" layout and, you guessed it, it de-railed rather spectacularly, at the top curve of the layout. Unfortunately it left the bench and "hit the deck", being the concrete floor!!!! This didn't happen as a kid, as we were relegated to running it on the lounge room floor.

Broke the spindle off at the body mount (behind the steam cylinders), where it secures the four wheel truck frame to the body, but no other damage, phew!! I needed to replace this broken shaft ( easy peesy), and while doing so, I decided to see if I could find the reason for the loco's erratic behavior going through curves......something my father tried on numerous occasions over the early years, with no real success.

What I finally discovered was the configuration and position of the front bogie wheels (leading truck wheels) was slightly off, and this was causing the flanges on the front set of bogie wheels to bind on the underside of the leading edge of the cast steam cylinders, when going through a curve.

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What I did was carefully grind off/chamfer the front bottom edge of both steam cylinders with my Dremel, to obtain enough clearance for the front wheels to swing freely when going through a curve.

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Who would have thought that after more than 60 years I have finally been able to get this loco to run better!!! I had to tell my father (he's still with us at 96 years young) and he could not believe it either.

Now it pulls my one and only Hornby mixed freight and passenger consist (of about the same age as the loco) perfectly around the layout, navigating 031 and 048 Buco curves perfectly !!!!  OH HAPPY DAYS!!!!

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Peter......,.Buco Australia.

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@Buco posted:

OH HAPPY DAYS!!!!!

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OK, the problem that has plagued this loco for over 60 years is.......if the loco is pushed moderately fast (not at the speed of sound) into a curve, it would rear-up slightly off the inner rail of the curve, and then it would de-rail, sometimes spectacularly!!!

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What I finally discovered was the configuration and position of the front bogie wheels (leading truck wheels) was slightly off, and this was causing the flanges on the front set of bogie wheels to bind on the underside of the leading edge of the cast steam cylinders, when going through a curve.

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What I did was carefully grind off/chamfer the front bottom edge of both steam cylinders with my Dremel, to obtain enough clearance for the front wheels to swing freely when going through a curve.

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Who would have thought that after more than 60 years I have finally been able to get this loco to run better!!! I had to tell my father (he's still with us at 96 years young) and he could not believe it either.

Now it pulls my one and only Hornby mixed freight and passenger consist (of about the same age as the loco) perfectly around the layout, navigating 031 and 048 Buco curves perfectly !!!!  OH HAPPY DAYS!!!!

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Peter......,.Buco Australia.

What a great story, congrats on fixing it after so many years, and even better that you could share the victory with your dad.  I can understand how it would be difficult to diagnose, since one would never expect such a basic design flaw.  Based on the nature of the problem, it sounds like none of the other copies of that engine would have tracked properly - imagine all of the frustrated sons and fathers who owned one.   

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Some new trains from France, they are from C R aka Charles Rossignol and have been made from 1928 to 1939.  CR products may be compared to Marx from USA, light tin clockwork models but they also produced some bigger models in electric mode and in O gauge 3 rail.

For the moment I just have cleaned two electric models and fixed the alimentation which is high voltage. Notice that the motors run well with a 20 volts transformer. I still have to clean the original oval of tracks and I will have another engine and cars at the end of the month.

The locos are representatives of the models running under catenary in that period in France, the grey one has been made with and without pantos and sometime presented as a metro model but it is not realistic; after all they are toys so all is allow....

You may find a good history of the brand on the TCA website here  https://www.tcawestern.org/rossignol.htm

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@FRENCHTRAINS- Daniel, these locos are really fantastic.  When you say "high voltage" there are some early trains in the US which used voltage straight off the lines for power (hence 110 volts) is this the same thing.  It was before it became mandatory to meet safety requirements to reduce line voltage via a transformer BEFORE it got anywhere near the track.

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@FRENCHTRAINS- Daniel, these locos are really fantastic.  When you say "high voltage" there are some early trains in the US which used voltage straight off the lines for power (hence 110 volts) is this the same thing.  It was before it became mandatory to meet safety requirements to reduce line voltage via a transformer BEFORE it got anywhere near the track.

Don McErlean

Hello Don, high voltage is 110 volts reduced to around 40-50 volts. They where prohibited at the end of the thirties in France as it may be "a little" dangerous.

Very best, Daniel

@pd  The signs are really neat, but I will admit that I don't know what the one that looks like an orange on a pole was for.  Do you have any idea?

While I don't have any sign posts, I did acquire an interesting piece recently. This road crossing and gate system came to me as part of a Brimtoy (U.K.) set that I acquired.  This is a typical road crossing in rural England and the gates are sometime automatic and sometimes must be moved by people interested in crossing the track.


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This is what the crossing, treated as a set accessory, looked like packed with the trains in the set.  Note the short piece of track by itself.  That was used to made up the distance occupied by the crossing on the other side of the loop supplied with the set.

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Well best wishes for a great weekend.

Don

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Well hi...tinplate fans, I just received a new addition to the collection.  Well not really fully new, its an early Lionel gondola and while I have one in my collection it is a different color, although none of these gondolas really had too much color.  This is a Lionel #901 LAKE SHORE gondola, a 4 wheel tinplate freight car from 1924.  Its a century old this year so please make some allowances for its wear and tear.  It has the name of the RR "LAKE SHORE" in black stamp on both sides and the number "#901" on one end, the other end is blank.  In yellow on the black frame bottom it has the Corporation Stamp for Lionel.

Here she is, I was trying to get a picture that make the "LAKE SHORE" stand out more so I took 2 , one with flash, but I must say its rather hard to make out.  Perhaps slightly more clear in the second picture.

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Well that's my tinplate for today...I plan to find a second tab/slot coupler arm (its missing one) so I can pull two gondolas with my Lionel 152.  You can see my other LAKE SHORE gondola in a sort of brownish / red color in the picture below.  So soon she will have another vintage freight car in her consist.

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Don

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Well folks, sorry for not posting anything for some time. It seems my first year of retirement has been busier than expected, but in a good way. My wife and I have spent a lot of time visiting friends and family and setting up our new home.

Train wise I have been busy setting up my train room and have been concentrating on getting my two rail layout up and running.

Now that it is up, more time can be spent with my tinplate and in setting up my tinplate layout.

For now, I thought I would post a photo of one of my new, recently produced, Czech trains, a Zanka acid car made for the German State Railways.

All the best, Miketg

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@Miketg posted:

Well folks, sorry for not posting anything for some time. It seems my first year of retirement has been busier than expected, but in a good way. My wife and I have spent a lot of time visiting friends and family and setting up our new home.

Train wise I have been busy setting up my train room and have been concentrating on getting my two rail layout up and running.

Now that it is up, more time can be spent with my tinplate and in setting up my tinplate layout.

For now, I thought I would post a photo of one of my new, recently produced, Czech trains, a Zanka acid car made for the German State Railways.

All the best, Miketg

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On one hand, thank you for introducing me to a new manufacturer that I haven't seen before.

OTOH, curse you for introducing me to a new manufacturer that I haven't seen before.   

@Buco- Peter, thanks so much for your kind words about my "new" Lionel 901 Gondola Car.  You are most certainly correct, it is very simple.  In fact it is part of Lionel's FIRST series 800 four wheel cars (why is it number 901 then?  Who knows!!).  While the version I displayed above is from 1924, that was near the end of this little cars run, which terminated in 1927.  Versions of this car, changed only in the color and stamping (Some Lake Shore, some PRR, some no name at all) date as early as 1917.  The one in my train picture, which is maroon, dates from about 1918.  I just love the simplicity and think about the youngsters whose imagination "filled in" all the details we seem to demand today and just had great fun with their trains.  Again, thanks for commenting.  Hope all is well there in Australia, Best regards to your Wife.  Happy Thanksgiving (yes I know that's an American holiday, but you are hereby authorized to celebrate this Thursday) !!

Best Wishes, Don

Thanks Don.....the turkey will be on the table this coming Thursday!!!!

Miketg.....I am in awe of your visit to ETS in the Czech Republic. I have an association with Suzanna at ETS, as I purchase their small circuit boards from time to time to convert my open-framed AC Buco motors to the more modern Maxon DC can motors. Their circuit boards are really good, convert the AC to DC, and are relatively cheap, even with the postage to Australia.

Peter.....Buco Australia.

@FRENCHTRAINS - Daniel...what could be "more French" than a wine car!! Beautiful car for sure, thanks for posting.

Here are two wine cars that I have from Hornby .  The first is the barrel car .

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Next a wine car of a different sort...a tank car.

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Thanks for posting Daniel, its great to hear from you on the forum again.  

Best Wishes,

Don

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I am going to "double up" today and post a car that I have looked for continuously for many years.  It existed for only 1 year during the depths of the Great Depression.  This is the 1932 Ives Cattle Car.  The #1708 was part of a line of 9 1/2" lithographed cars that Lionel produced in 1932 and showed in the last IVES catalog ever printed.  Lionel had taken control of Ives in 1930.  The line showed a gondola, box car, cattle car, and caboose for 1932 all lithographed with the IVES name.  Then Lionel dissolved the Ives Corporation in 1933 and moved these lithographed cars over to the Lionel line, changing the name on the cars from Ives to Lionel.  However, for reasons not disclosed, they did NOT move the cattle car into the Lionel line.  Hence the Ives #1708 cattle car (really a Lionel design) existed for only one year 1932.  As a result this car is very scarce and very hard to find.  I was lucky enough to recently acquire an example of this one year car.

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Once again Don you have found yourself another "little beauty" from 90 odd years ago. You sure can pick them, and this one also appears to be holding its age very well.

Congratulations on find this elusive link to our model railroading past.

I hope to be able to post something Buco rare I have been chasing for a long time. It should arrive in the post in the next week or so.

Watch this space!!!

Peter......Buco Australia.

Hey Daniel.......you found one of them!!!

Did you buy for your collection?? It could be worth some money in many years time??????

On another note:

IT HAS ARRIVED!!!!!!   The rare wooden wine barrel car from Buco.

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What makes this wine barrel car so rare???......This is the only model Buco ever made of this car that had the actual wine makers name and shipping details lithographed on the side placard panels - front and rear.

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Documented history on this specific model is a little sparce, but, to the best of my knowledge this wine manufacturer (SCHIESS A.G.) approached Buco (Bucherer) and asked if a "special Christmas run" could be made. They obliged, and I believe it was toward the end of the Buco empire (1956) that the wagon was released in very limited numbers.

All the other models of this car ever produced (hundreds and hundreds of them) had the standard "Buco" name and vague shipping details lithographed on the front and rear side placard panels.

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I also have what I like to call another "special" Buco wine car. In all the years Buco have been making these double barrel wine cars, the catalogue number has never changed (8667), and has always been "burnt" into the end of each wooden barrel - at the bottom edge.

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But I have a relatively new wine wagon built by Buco Spur O GmbH (the current successor producing the Buco products now) where the catalogue number has been "burnt" toward the top of the barrel, at each end.

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The new production models all carry a "production number" engraved on the under-side of the metal chassis, and this one is #8667/3. I also have 8667/2 in my collection, being the second and third examples manufactured by the "new" Buco.

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I have all the wine wagon variants produced by the different Buco manufacturers since 1947/48, to the latest company (Buco Spur O GmbH)

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And then some

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I think there are a couple more some where in other storage bins under the layout, and I will probably re-discover them when I go through the boxes looking for something.

Well that's it.....hope you tinplate tragic's enjoyed my "rare" Buco wine barrel car now relegated to the Australian Buco layout, and the rest of my Buco wine barrel cars already in service. DRINKS (wine) ARE ON ME!!!!

Peter.....Buco Australia.

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Well thanksgiving is our day to trim the tree and make the train layout. Here we are getting the trains out and testing the track. We will place the tree today and trim, after the trimming is done the kids will finish laying out the houses and train decorations. HAPPY THANKSGIVINGS !  and share your train traditions.

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special thanks to everyone who has help me on my journey in restoring my tinplates. What a great bunch of people you are. I am truly thankful for finding this forum. This hobby has helped me maintain a relationship with my kids and was at times the only link I had during those troubling teen years. No matter how heated life became we all-way came together for the Christmas train layout and tree trimming. I have learned to let them express themself and not to be critical of ideas and comments. It all works out. 39C0C696-48C0-4995-BC9B-E7C114D29E1FA2CF63DE-C239-43D9-B173-1102369C26AB1C17A3D0-E656-4E4E-8B3F-2CF066A292AB4E3D6772-97F5-4C1B-81CF-9B02E7CC7B7478E70F19-6F2A-4ABE-9DAE-6B6891D90BE7A14BC61C-F78A-44B3-B291-31C4C137C943

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Yes Daniel......you are also very lucky and have one of these "rare" Buco wine barrel cars in your collection. That is two Buco cars that you have that are "different" from the rest. Look after them and enjoy them!!!

Don.....the turkey tasted just great yesterday (it's Friday down here now). Please enjoy your Thanksgiving Day.

Happy Thanksgiving Day to all of my great American OGR Forum friends!!!

Peter......Buco Australia.

Well its now December and we are deep into "Train Month" for we have always identified trains with Christmas.  I had a recent bit of luck, I noticed a Hornby locomotive (101 Tank loco) on E-bay and its condition seemed excellent.  This was several days before the end of the auction.  Just to keep getting notified of developments in the bidding, I threw in a casual (low) bid and then with all the Thanksgiving hulla-ba-loo I forgot about it.  Low and behold, I get a notice just after Thanksgiving that I have won the auction, with my very low, forgotten bid!  WOW, I received the locomotive last Friday and its everything I might have hoped for AND it came in its original Hornby box!  It only cost an amazing $26! This for a locomotive nearly NIB from 1950, as you can guess I am really pleased.  So here is her picture (she is clockwork like many Hornby trains).  I have her posed with some Hornby No 1 LNER coaches from the same time period, they date from 1951-1958.

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Best Wishes and Happy Holidays to All

Don

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Really good catch's there @Don McErlean and James @WindupGuy

Christmas has come early for you both by the looks ?

I must not have been too bad this year because Santa ( My wallet lol ) has lined up a couple of "presents" for me this year too

A little Post War Karl Bub Animated Circus train set , please excuse the placement of the tender lol , ebay sellers just dont care in their photos

Not super rare but uncommon in very good condition ... they are very cheaply made this one is only missing one axle from the seal car but otherwise looks to be very good . The Clown driving it pops up at regular intervals and the animals sway back and forth driven by a lower tab that hits the track sleepers

A retake on the super rare 1930's version ( of which I also have the locomotive but no carriages )

Just a fun thing

In much nastier condition is an O Gauge Sakai Standard locomotive and tender I only won today, however it will go into the fixer-upper file for a repaint to match some really nice carriages I have owned for years that have been waiting for him to come along ... Super bargain at only 50AUD + post ( I think?)

Some days you have to accept what the train gods offer up to you

Aforementioned pristine carriages awaiting some motive power !

Hello Guys, it seems the season is excellent for many of us, that is really nice to see all those nice finds.

For me it has been also a really uncomon discover in France of an American Flyer train.  And believe me it is really exceptionnal, the only AF pieces you may find are post war S gauge models. So it came home with me for a low ball as Don, and it is in good running condition.

This one, not really sure if it could have been an original set is from, I think.... , 1921-22  ???

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@FRENCHTRAINS- Daniel what a great find.  My reference material tentatively identifies your loco as the American Flyer 1101 Steeple Cab, black body, red window frames etc uncatalogued from..."the 1920's"  no more specific date.  It shows your passenger cars as #1201 "Lightning Bolt" cars which were also first catalogued in 1918-1919.  The red bodied cars came first with a later switch to brown.  Your baggage car, #1204 Lightning Bolt Baggage was similarly first cataloged in 1918-1919 but seems to have been only available in brown as yours shows.  

I have no further information on early AF "sets" however given the common dates for their production period, coming as a set would be most possible.  Nonetheless a GREAT find!!

@Jerry Williams & @Buco- Thanks for your comment on my new LNER locomotive. Appreciate what you both said.

@WindupGuy-Way to go!  That is a great boxcar and looks to be in really fine shape.

@Fatman- Thanks for your comment on my new loco and WHAT A FIND!!  I really LOVE that Bub animal train.  The lithography is fantastic.  So colorful and animated with action.  Really a super toy train.  I agree with your comment on being hard to find in good shape.  Toys like you found were normally inexpensive and when the children stopped playing with them, they were not carefully wrapped up and stored like expensive trains, but were often just thrown away.  Yours looks to be in almost perfect condition.  Looks like the Saki locomotive will be a project for sure, but its fun to finally find a locomotive suitable for those beautiful coaches.

Best Wishes for the Holidays everyone!!

  Don

@Don McErlean  Many thanks Don, very interesting, the number on the loco is 1201, not very easy to see on my picture as it is a little fadded.

American Flyer is not always easy to understand, so many variations.

Near the same guy I picked another set of AF cars, smaller than the previous ones. Maybe they are from the same period , unfortunately no loco to match with.   I was thinking maybe buying a small clockwork one to match those little cars but what model.....

Anyway I find them really beautiful and the lithos is great. Less spectacular than @Fatman circus train which is really wonderfull.

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@FRENCHTRAINS - Daniel, the 1201 is virtually the same locomotive as the 1101 except it came in more than the red/black color scheme.  The 1201, an 8" steeple cab, was cataloged from 1920-1924.  Its first variety is the black / red combination of your locomotive.  Now originally the 1201 had no headlight and no hole in the body for one, however it is reported that some 1201's were modified at the factory to have a headlight.  The 1921version had the bell at the rear and the 1924 version had the bell at the front.  The other color is a dark green body.

Here is what I have on your 1107 cars.  Note this is just a guess as Flyer made many, many variations of these little passenger cars many of them numbered 1107.  Looking at your pictures these are the descriptions I found that seemed the closest and the dates that seem to match.  All passenger cars listed below are numbered 1107.

1. Ca 1918-20 Peachy yellow body with red and white details, black roof, dark green road name, herald and number.

2.Ca 1918 -20 Red body with yellow trim and yellow number. blue herald and black roof, door windows not punched out.

3. Ca 1918-20 Baltimore and Ohio, Ca 1918-20.  Blue body with red and yellow trim, black detailing and roof, yellow road name and number, door windows not punched out

4. Baggage Car, Ca 1918-20 , American Flyer Line on letter board,  American Express Co in white rectangle at left and right, Express Baggage beneath , yellow 1108 left and right, 5 panel yellow door.

Comment from reference: My reference is :  Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer Prewar O gauge by Alan R. Schuweiler, 1997

Ca 1917-1922 American Flyer offered sets with only 1107 passenger cars, as well as combining different color baggage and passenger cars so there are not always baggage cars that exactly match the passenger cars.

Sorry for the long message, I hope this might help.  I really enjoyed doing this little bit of research, you have some great cars and these little 1107 cars are some of the very early Flyer passenger cars.  Great Find!!

Best Wishes

Don

@Don McErlean  Thanks so much again Don, I really enjoy learning some AF history; it's extremely rare as I said before to find such pieces in France, now since the internet it is different of course but there is no many collectors having an interest for Flyer here, only Lionel.
Thosemodels came from a very old collection, the owner passed thirty years ago and the family kept them in storage as they have no interest for trains.

All my best wishes,  Daniel

Hey Fatman......good to hear from you again, and I just love that highly decorated circus train!!! It is bright and colorful, and looks in fabulous condition for its age!!!

I also have some O gauge tinplate Sakai, but they are only the H P caboose cars, and I think I have about five or six of them, remnants from my childhood.

Daniel......your collection of AF tinplate in France is exceptional......most of the AF trains they ever produced didn't make it to Australia either.....so they are rare here as well!!

And Don....what can I say.....your are "the man" when it comes to stats on anything American Flyer....thank you for your vast knowledge.

I have just received some more Buco tinplate loco's, and bits and pieces from my friend in Switzerland - Beat Joller (aka "Jomo" on the Ricardo Swiss auction site).

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Two 301 loco's (0 4 0 wheel configuration) and two 304 loco's (2 4 2 configuration), as well as a passenger car, a bare freight chassis with wheels, and a sub-frame for a 301 loco.

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All of the loco's are running (sort of) and will be stripped, cleaned, and parts replaced (where necessary) to bring them back to pristine operating condition.

On a very sad note, after sending an E-mail to Beat this last Monday (9th December) to let him know I had received the loco's safe and well, I received an E-mail from his son the very next day to inform me that his father passed away suddenly on 2nd December, shortly after posting the loco's to me.

I am, and I still remain shattered!!!!

RIP Beat Joller, my very dear friend!!!!

Peter.......Buco Australia.

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Hey guys - Always checking in, you guys are amazing collectors and fonts of knowledge.  It is a delight to see how much interest you have in the hobby. I really like Daniel’s American Flyer set found in Europe, that is super cool.

Just cleaned the pad after FFEMA left an orange sticker on my door declaring it a disaster area, ok it was time.  Just got thru a big job & got a tad behind there.  Got my dance floor back but not doing the floor layout this year, I’m motivated to building a layout for my prewar standard gauge trains. Get my butt off the floor and sitting on a high stool playing with trains, like a real man  haha.  
When I get it built I’ll get the gang back together and we will build an empire… the Lake Villa Central RR  Ok, we’ll see about that.  All my hands have been on high stools for too long, time to put a hammer in their hands again or against their heads and build a railroad we can be proud of.  
The LVCRR - I like it!

I love this plan, should be fun.  I’ll post when I have trains running.

Keep going!  Cheers        W1

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Hey guys - Awesome collecting and sharing of knowledge.  I think all I need to complete my collection of Lionel standard gauge 500 freights is a 514R refrigerator car cream with a blue roof all original in mint condish… There has to be one out there  haha.  I know they exist.  One of these days…

Tho there is a rogue 515 tank car - yellow Sunoco I think…  Might be a stretch for Santa, I don’t know if I was a good enough boy for one of those to be left in my stocking.

Plan going forward is to build a layout, I think I got it figured out.  Onward towards the fog…

Merry Xmas all you crazy train nuts!
Cheers.       W1

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@William 1  -  Well here is some news you might be able to use:

1.  In 1927-1928 There was a refrigerator car labeled 514 (NO R)  The only difference between it and the 514 R was the "R" on the name plate.  In 1929 Lionel replaced the 514 Reefer with the 514R Reefer which allowed it to use the 514 number for a box car.  This car came in 3 schemes (all available in 1927-1928 ) Dark Pearl / Peacock roof ; Pearl / Peacock roof ; and Cream / Flat green roof

2. In 1929 Lionel issued the 514R which through the years came in a surprising number of color variations, especially in the 1929-1934 era.  It came in Light Pearl, Cream, Ivory or White body with Peacock, Peacock, Light Peacock, and Peacock roofs.   Then in 1935 came perhaps the most common reefer, the White / Lt. Blue roof car which was available 1935 -1940, always with Ni trim.

3 Now to the 515 Tank Car...if you are interested in variations, my reference source states that there are 22 known variations of the 515 car, more than for any other 500 series car.  The earliest is a terra - cotta car with no oil company decal available from 1927-1929.  Then came a series of Ivory tank cars, some with "Sunoco" decals and some with no decals.  Finally in about 1935 things settled down and we had the well known Silver Tank with Sunoco decal 1935-1940 and then your "rouge" tank car, the Orange Tank with Shell decal available 1936-1940.  I have a terra-cotta one, do not have a silver one and most certainly do not have an orange one!!

4. The Shell tank car is indeed a considerable rarity.  To give you an example, the David Doyle "Guide to Prewar Lionel Trains" gives a value in LN condition for the ivory or silver car as $225 with a rarity of 4 (out of 8) however for the orange tank car its $725 with a rarity of 6.  Now I list these prices not because they are absolutely correct, but just to illustrate the difference in pricing / rarity.

So Good Hunting.

Don

@pd- Hey Mate! that beautiful thing under the tree is "Outfit" # 290E right?  Pulled by the 259E locomotive in black with the 654 Oil, 651 Flat and 657 Caboose.  1936-37 Catalog   Beautiful display @pd I have a similar set and I am just interested in confirming its heritage.  Merry Christmas!

Best Wishes

Don

That’s correct, Don, outfit 290E from 1936/37. The 259E is in gunmetal with the thick nickel-rimmed drivers. Fun stuff.

Have a terrific Christmas!

PD

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Getting ready for tinplate Christmas run scheduled for tonight.
1. MTH 260e Christmas freight train set (Red/Green/Brass)

2. MTH 263e Blue Comet W/710 Passenger Cars with Freight cars

3. Lionel 261e Prewar Christmas Train Red/Green/Brass with 600 Passenger and Freight cars.
4. Lionel 262e Prewar Black/Brass with 600 Grey/Ember Passenger Cats

6. Lionel 263e Prewar Black Yellow, with Yellow/Red Crane and Gondolas and  Caboose

7. Lionel 260e Prewar Black/Green/Brass Original with 605/6 Black Blue Passenger with Red/Green Caboose

8. Lionel 260e Prewar Lionel Orange/Brass with New Lionel Lines Freight cars, Caboose along with Prewar Orange Cattle, Spotlights, gondola

9. Lionel 260e Prewar SeaFoam/Brass with matching gondola and caboose

10. Lionel Prewar Black/Green/Brass with 710/20 and 605/6 Red/White Passenger Cars.

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Merry Christmas to my international train tragics !!!

Found a last minute present to myself on ePay last night ... what I am pretty sure is an early Hafner/Overland Flyer loco that has found his way down under .

He needs a new key ( screw version) and is suffering from a broken off tender pin at the rear ( which I am pretty sure can easily be crafted by a bit of milliputty over wire to make him usable)

Also missing the boiler band , but apart from that looks to be in not bad nick ?

For the bargain $1 + postage paid how could I resist ! ( 16AUD all up or about 11USD shipped)

I love the external winding pawl, I have a suspicion this is an early production model? Would I be wrong?

Any info my esteemed mateys can add would be really cool ( as you know American stuff isn't my forte sadly)

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Hey Fatman...I just got myself a Christmas present much like yours.  I didn't post them on this post because they are cast iron not tinplate, but you have opened up that barrier.  Mine are American Flyer, both 100 years old and both have fully functional clockwork mechanisms and came with keys.

The first is slightly larger, it is the # 13 and features drive rods and an engine brake.  She was first introduced in 1923 so she is 102 years old after New Years.
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The next one came with a tender as well (tender on order for #13) and she is a simpler loco and is an American Flyer #10 from 1925.   Never had drive rods even though the cylinder casting has the hole , you can see the drive wheels do not have a boss for bolting them on. She also does not have the engine brake.

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Both of these are a little more worse for wear on the paint than Fatman's but I really love the old stuff and these were offered at a price I couldn't pass up.  I was surprised that although the paint is somewhat worn in places there is really no rust on the castings and no zinc pest on the drive wheel.  Now if I lived in France, I would be planning a trip to see FRENCHTRAINS to borrow his new American Flyer passenger cars which are of the same era.

Best Wishes, Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year

Don

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Since we’re off the rail from tinplate can anyone identify the clockwork train the picture 1A86F2A1-9BD2-43DF-8981-3EA75180E478

I group the cast iron locos in with tinplate - they typically came with tinplate cars and ran on tinplate rails.  But, I digress...

My best guess is that your loco is a Hafner "Century of Progress" type engine - they are actually stamped tin bodies instead of cast iron.  I zoomed in on your picture and this seems to be the closest loco I can find to it.  Here is a picture of one of mine from about the same angle as your picture.  This one has a red smokebox door, but they also came in an all black version.

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I concur with James @WindupGuy  looks like hafner tinplate to me

@Don McErlean  I think the cast locos fit in fine with tinplate as the rest of the set would have been all tinplate !

Also crossed another off the bucket list this month , this one was spotted by a friend of mine here in Australia and he scooped it up to pass along to me , never seen one for sale here in Aus so I am grateful he found it , no big news to those of you in the USA , but the fact everyone in the USA knows what it is and how much money to charge means they are seldom a "bargain" and the super expensive post by most USA based sellers tips the desirable scale a fair bit ...

So I had to let a few moths out of the wallet , but it crosses it off the list !

( stock pic but exact to the one I have now)

Now all I need is a Lionelcraft boat to complete the ad LOL!



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@WindupGuy posted:

I group the cast iron locos in with tinplate - they typically came with tinplate cars and ran on tinplate rails.  But, I digress...

My best guess is that your loco is a Hafner "Century of Progress" type engine - they are actually stamped tin bodies instead of cast iron.  I zoomed in on your picture and this seems to be the closest loco I can find to it.  Here is a picture of one of mine from about the same angle as your picture.  This one has a red smokebox door, but they also came in an all black version.

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Thanks, the photo is of my father-in-law, Dr. John D.Antrim PE. He passed away in November. My wife came across this photo of him. I am going to have the photo enlarged, framed and hung in our train room. Sure would be nice to find a train and shadow box below the photo.

Thanks and a very Merry Christmas to the hole lot of Yas. Best wishes to your family and friends.

Micheal and Erica

This time of the year is the time for..... a new train of course so I made myself a little Christmas gift. A little HORNBY loco French market in the colors of the EST company, dates from around 1931-32.

Finding an AF loco as Don would have been nice but unfortunately there is none for sale on my side of the pond.....

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To all tinplate nuts from all over the world, have a nice Christmas and Happy New Year,

All my best wishes,  Daniel

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@FRENCHTRAINS_- Hey with my loco and your cars we could make a wonderful train...the smaller cars would do the trick I think as these cast iron loco's seem small.  The loco that you showed in your current post is a French Hornby  right?  Its beautiful and in superb condition.

@Lionelski - That is a beautiful set, Fandor so it must be German (Hence not Dorfan) and the transformer with the voltage knocked down by a light bulb sets it at a quite early age.  Although if you run it with that set up...you are indeed braver than I .

@Fatman - Your pictures did not transmit, all we got were 2 large blue squares...so I remain curious about what you were talking about...can you repost.

@WindupGuy / @Michael Roth -  I agree the Hafner century of progress type seems to be the answer to the photo .  The key is also a potential strong clue.  Michael, what a treasure for sure.

Well everyone, I wish you all a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.  I will see you here on the forum in 2025.  All the best to you and your families

Best Regards

Don

IMG_2382Hey Don - Just thought I would respond, here is a pic of my 515 tank cars.  Have a nice Terra cotta, ivory & silver Sunoco.  Trainz had a yellow/orangeShell on ok condition a bit back, but I was in the middle of a big job & on a budget.  I’ll keep my eye out, you never know, would be cool to score a nice one.

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I only have 2 - 514Rs.  The white one with the blue roof is def on my list to close out my collection of 500 freights.  Not even sure if the green roof guy is an original but it is a nice car so he’s in the fleet to stay.

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Ok, this last pic is a goof up I discovered today.  The first car has a dent in the roof from a tv that i sheepishly admit fell on my Floor Layout Central off a stand it was duct taped to.  Ok, that was stupid…  So I bought myself a Xmas present with a new model with a good roof, which I picked up today from the post office.  Then I get home, decide to start digging thru my 500 freight boxes and discover I already bought a nice one to replace the dented one.  Oops, didn’t need that, it was $62 shipped so I’m ok with it, still a great model, but I would have much preferred a white 514R with a blue roof  haha

Just rambling I guess.  Fun hobby.

Merry Xmas!

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@FRENCHTRAINS_- Hey with my loco and your cars we could make a wonderful train...the smaller cars would do the trick I think as these cast iron loco's seem small.  The loco that you showed in your current post is a French Hornby  right?  Its beautiful and in superb condition.



Hello Don,  yes we could make a nice train, Your loco is really nice and my cars are not bad at all, I really enjoy those nice little cars, I just hope to find a correct loco to match with them.

The Hornby model is a French Hornby model, I look at the dates and it seems that it is a 1928-29 model, first year Hornby made EST models.

Have a great Christmas time and all my best wishes for the new year, Daniel

Don wrote: "@Lionelski - That is a beautiful set, Fandor so it must be German (Hence not Dorfan) and the transformer with the voltage knocked down by a light bulb sets it at a quite early age.  Although if you run it with that set up...you are indeed braver than I ."

Thanks Don. I ran them with a pre-war Lionel transformer.

For my research on the set, go here: A Fandor Pre-War tin Train Set - Something New for me!

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@Lionelski - I read your article on the Fandor set and enjoyed it, especially liked the pictures showing details of the set.  That set was indeed an incredible find.  There is a good and quite complete history of Dorfan (the American company that continued the Fandor line ) in  "Greenbergs Guide to Early American Toy Trains - Carlisle & Finch, Hafner, and Dorfan"  The Dorfan section is written by Carlton Norris McKenney.  According to this source, the key players were the Forchhiemer brothers who left Fandor in Nuremberg , Germany in 1923 and came to America and started Dorfan in 1924.  Indeed it was their mothers, sisters Fanny and Dora who were the source of the name Fandor and subsequently Dorfan.  The American company closed in 1936 due to the economic conditions of the Depression, although sales of existing stock continued until 1937 -1938.

Glad you didn't try the "light bulb" voltage reduction idea I have seen that before and I can't believe that we thought children could play with it, especially in Europe where line current was often 240 volts!

Happy Holidays and Happy New Year

Don

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@Lionelski - I read your article on the Fandor set and enjoyed it, especially liked the pictures showing details of the set.  That set was indeed an incredible find.  There is a good and quite complete history of Dorfan (the American company that continued the Fandor line ) in  "Greenbergs Guide to Early American Toy Trains - Carlisle & Finch, Hafner, and Dorfan"  The Dorfan section is written by Carlton Norris McKenney.  According to this source, the key players were the Forchhiemer brothers who left Fandor in Nuremberg , Germany in 1923 and came to America and started Dorfan in 1924.  Indeed it was their mothers, sisters Fanny and Dora who were the source of the name Fandor and subsequently Dorfan.  The American company closed in 1936 due to the economic conditions of the Depression, although sales of existing stock continued until 1937 -1938.

Glad you didn't try the "light bulb" voltage reduction idea I have seen that before and I can't believe that we thought children could play with it, especially in Europe where line current was often 240 volts!

Happy Holidays and Happy New Year

Don

Thanks for the kind words and the info, Don

Lovely little "carpet layout" Daniel @FRENCHTRAINS.

I must admit I have nothing as old as that in the Lionel brand of tinplate.

There wasn't a lot of Lionel imported into Australia in the early days due to the difference in voltage supply and their transformers.......we run 240V here in Australia (enough to kill you in a heart beat) and America only runs 110V (whimps!!!)

Peter.......Buco Australia.

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Lovely little "carpet layout" Daniel @FRENCHTRAINS.

I must admit I have nothing as old as that in the Lionel brand of tinplate.

There wasn't a lot of Lionel imported into Australia in the early days due to the difference in voltage supply and their transformers.......we run 240V here in Australia (enough to kill you in a heart beat) and America only runs 110V (whimps!!!)

Peter.......Buco Australia.

Hello Peter,

Those Lionel trains have never been imported in France in their time.  From this set the loco came from Germany some years ago and I bought the cars on eBay in the USA.

Very best, Daniel

@Fatman - I just realized that I had not commented on your beautiful Kraus Fandor set from around 1937.  It's interesting as the Forchheimer brothers came to the US in 1924 hoping to make up for lost sales due to the embargo on German products caused by WW I .  Their US company was called Dorfan (Fandor in reverse).  They went out of business in the US in 1936. So the Fandor name continued in Germany and they made your beautiful train.

@Arne - What can I say your craftsmanship is superb.  The 00 cars are beautiful and are a perfect match to the 0 scale ones you made before.  Beautiful Work!

My offering today that I did post on "Rolling Stock Monday" is this Ives #65 Livestock Transport Car.  This type of car was made by Ives between 1910 and 1925 in a bewildering number of variations.  My Ives book devotes over 2 pages of pictures just to capture those changes.  This specific car with its open slatted sides, yellow orange lithography, and 8 wheels was made between 1918 and 1925.  It is marked the New York Central and Harlem River RR as can be seen on the end view.  The diagonal braces on the side say:  "Live Stock" to the left of the door and "Transportation" to the right side.

Ives #65 Cattle Car side view 1918-1925Ives #65 Cattle Car end view

Best Wishes everyone

Don

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Well we have not been posting on this thread very much this month, I noted that my last post was over a month ago.  However at a train show yesterday, I encountered this little item which was sort of fascinating.  This is a "circuit breaker" designed to go between the power supply and the trains to protect them in case of a short circuit (like from a derailment).  These were almost exclusively pre war items as in the post war period, the circuit breaker was most often included in the transformer.  So here is a  Marx circuit breaker that I first noted in the Marx 1938 catalog as a "type 420" circuit breaker.  It was advertised as a safety device.  It is about 4 1/2 " high and the circular part at the top is about 1 1/2 " in diameter.  When it detects a short circuit it disconnects the circuit and the top lights up and sayes "Short Circuit" inside the red center piece.  That by the way is how the operation is described, I have no intention of creating a short circuit to see if it still works !

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Best Wishes

Don

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