Vision Line Passenger Cars actually coming?

Its fun to speculate. What features, in addition to detaiing, would elevate the cars to vision line status? Some kind if animation of passengers!

I'll play-why else would Lionel 'sneak peak' this set?  Doesn't THAT seem unusual?

 

Plus, if you think about it, last year the VL BB, then aux water tenders, and now the Excursion train...

 

Plus, we'll have new FEFs...Just hope another Challenger isn't in the future.  I'll be broke.

 

I'm in no need of animated passenger cars-but, realistic sounds would interest me.  Opinion.

 

We'll know soon what the UP Excursion Train will be...I can't wait. 

I could see a Conductor figure traveling back and forth taking tickets, but I don't believe animated figures will be part of a vision line passenger car. Top of the line detail in multiple colors with many separately applied parts is probably more correct. Sign me up for set!

 

Emile

.... I can see an MSRP for a 5 car set that surpasses the VL bigboy. $499.99 a car anyone?

 

Since Lionel has already announced that the 21" ABS cars won't have any "Little People" passenger figurines in them I can't see that animation is in our future. It's also a feature that I can live without.

 

But the excursion train has so many interesting cars that Lionel has not made up to now - the "flag" baggage car, the power car and the train end business car - that I imagine at least one of them will be made, whether or not this is indeed the next VL offering.

 

The other thing I expect we could see is cars apart from the diner that have sounds. 

 

I hope you're wrong about that but I confess that price was my second thought after wondering how anyone can influence Lionel about what cars will be comprised in this set. On the Vol 2 catalog Notch 6 podcast I believe that Mike Reagan said that these cars will be prototypical instead of "generic" and that there would be the usual main set plus a couple of add-ons, including a Station Sounds diner. How about the main set being the flag baggage car, two domes and the business/end of train car? 

Vision Line passenger car features: Depleting lounge car

THAT was my first thought-price.  With the words "Vision Line" there'll be an incredibly high price to pay.  I won't think twice about passing on them either.

 

Also, Hancock 52, someone posted in a thread an e-mail from Lionel the UP Excursion cars would be accurate to the prototype.  

That's right, thanks. Can't find the thread now but the email was clear that in the future Lionel would distinguish in its catalogs between passenger cars that are prototypical and those that are not. Unfortunately it also recorded that the first run of 21" ABS cars will be in the latter category.

I can't recall the thread either.  If I find it, I'll link it here for others.

Fun so far, hopefully price point won't spoil the thread.  I want accurate paint and detail for sure, but to me, that doesn't make it a vision product. I thought vision line products should be innovative, bringing new features or tech to the market.

Maybe customizable or menu of station announcenents triggered by sensor track???

How great would it be to have a dining car with rail sounds?  It would have to be speed/motion sensitive. Could you imagine screaming passengers at full tilt track speed?  Or the sound of dishes breaking after a sudden stop?  Lol

Older TMCC RS5 SS diners were speed sensitive. They had different sounds running than standing still. Legacy versions could add the sounds you mention. To me what differentiates Vision from Legacy is more animation. The Acela added many more animated features as well as many more headaches for most of its owners. Be careful what you wish for.

 

Pete

Vision Line and animated passengers just don't go together. No thanks

what kind of animation? All I see passengers do is to look out the window and use the lav.

Maybe have a few passengers turn their heads and a splash of liquid drop to the tracks every once in a while. Would thsat make it Vision?, nah.

Me thinks Vision Line and ABS just don't go together.

My Amtrak Superliner station sound diner has prototypical generator sound. Very cool.  IMO, It is the only sound any RS dining car needs. 

Joe

I don't mind plastic Vision Line, but the detail and accuracy better be state of the art. It will be hard to top the GGD cars if you want to get that kind of price.

Accurate cars and appropriate sound-wheel flanges, compressors, etc.  

 

Keep the 'crew talk' junk.  

 

Please make the "Flag" car, and available in a 2 PACK! 

 

I really hope the UP Excursion train is NOT a VL product.  But, I fear it will be...

Animated Passengers are overrated. I would rather buy a super detailed GGD Passenger car than a potential Vision Line Passenger Car.

Just to be clear I have no interest in Vision line rolling stock. Just saying more sounds would not justify a Vision label and price. Possible animation might include opening doors, conductors sticking out the door and waving with all aboard, etc. Still would not make me want one though.

 

Pete

In the context of what this thread is discussing - what exactly is intended when referring to an "exclusion" train? 

Maybe I've missed it but I can't see that I or anyone else posted "exclusion" instead of "excursion." But I know what you mean; in another thread autocorrect made "excursion cars" into "execution cars." 

I would simply like to find the UP 18' passenger cars that go with the FEF-3's (Page 77, CAT V2) . Apparently the are sold out and the only thing available is / are the 2 cars set - Diner - Coach set. Second,

 

 

Yes... there are a lot of "SOLD OUT" banners in ads for the 4-car set, but not the 2-pack.  Seems odd that Lionel would botch the production volume of the main 4-pack.  It's usually the add-on cars that are short-shipped and then the wild games begin as enthusiasts try to complete their set.

 

Hopefully, once these cars are produced, production volumes will be such that folks who want a complete 6-car set will be able to purchase what they need.

 

David

Now you've all gone and done it. Gee whiz, thanks a lot.

I thought I blew my 2015 budget already.

OK, here are some Vision Line passenger set thoughts.

 

1) A UP Excursion set makes sense for lots of reasons

    a) Catalogue sneak peak

    b) Already two UP Vision Line large steamers released

    c) When the Big Boy #4014 makes its first run, I bet it will pull the Excursion train

    d) It would be a first and set a definite tone of exclusivity

 

2) It's hard to en"Vision" plastic cars at the prices suggested above. $499 MSRP for          

    plastic? Oooooooo Nooooooo

 

3) If the cars are plastic, the detail would have to be state of the art starting with dead

     on serious scale trucks. Interior detail would have to be outrageous. Lots of add on 

     detail never before included.

 

4) new cars prototypical for the UP Excursion train a must

 

5) SOUND for several of the cars and not just the diner.

 

Mike, are you there? Mike? Mike, are you listening?

He's not answering.

     

Wasn't there an add I the catalog for the UP excursion cars coming next catalog

I have not looked at that catalog yet

My bad, I did not make up my mind on the engine until a few weeks ago. When I placed my order I wanted all of them. I received a phone call telling me the 4 cars were not available but the 2 car set was. They offered to refund my money if I did not want them because the 4 car set was not available. I told them I would think about it and get back to them.

 

Not sure what a I would do with the FEF in greyhound color - maybe pull freight cars or mic passenger cars. - Slightly disappointed.

OK, I'm a bit confused by all of this. Just what are "Vision Line" passenger cars, and what are their advantages?

To be clear, there are NO Lionel Vision Line passenger cars announced... at least not as of yet.  I suppose it's just folks tossing around the idea of, "What features would Vision Line passenger cars need in order to justify the Vision Line name... and of course the Vision Lionel cost?" 

 

David

Jack, there aren't any of them yet and that's why the rumor that there might be, and that they will model the "prototypical" UP ACF-built excursion cars, is so intriguing. Of course it might turn out to be nothing at all. Someone said above, "Mike Reagan are you listening?" which is what I'd be interested to know.

 

The speculation on what "Vision Line" means in this particular context is also interesting. The VL Railsounds-equipped Ethanol tank cars were mainly plastic with metal detailing. They look and operate great and the sounds are more than entertaining. Surely Lionel can do the same with passenger cars.

Matt, 

Yes, it was on the same page as the FEFs.

 

To be clear, there was no mention of VL anything about them or any other product.

So any "Vision Line features" may or may not be related to accurate passenger car length, i.e. 21", or correct window placement, or correct specific details related to that specific railroad?

Thanks folks. Are you all referring to catalog 2015 V2 or the new one just issued?

I would not assume that accurate window placement or road-specific details will be unavailable. After all, the floor plans and interior details for these (and Pullman Standard) cars are readily available and Lionel has referred to making a line of "prototypical" 21" models.  That said, I appreciate that most O gauge passenger cars are no more than a representation of the prototypes and those who merely want something like that can have it from both Lionel and MTH.

       
       


Great. So a joke and no answer. Thanks!

Lionel's 2015 V2 which is the latest one just issued.

 

By what I have seen in the catalog and only next to the black 844 FEF is a circle saying, "Includes special Lionel Lines tender magnet to recreate the 2010 LCCA Excursion"

 

I feel that Lionel will be making the 2010 LCCA Denver Convention Excursion train with the new 21" cars. And that these cars may have many added features to recreate these passenger cars.