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I recently acquired a used Legacy Susquehanna S-2 Diesel with Bluetooth Item 2033110, out if warranty.

The engine alone without any train cars runs fine through 031 curves.

The engine also runs fine pulling passenger cars through 031 curves.

However, the front truck of a freight car immediately behind the locomotive usually derails running through 031 curves and 022 switches. This happens with most, but not all, of my freight cars.

The derailment happens with Postwar freight cars with standard wheels as well as modern freight cars with fast angled wheels.

Initially, I thought the problem was because of improper wiring of the rear electrocoupler. That is because the 2 wires attached to the rear electrocoupler come out of 1 small hole near the electrocoupler, instead of normal wiring, in which each wire goes through a small hole on each side of the electrocoupler, which is how the front electrocoupler is wired.

However, when I attached a freight car to the front electrocoupler and ran the train in reverse, the train car truck nearest to the engine still derailed running through my 031 curves and 022 switches.

I have a Lionel TMCC Lehigh Valley S-2 Item 6-28532 that looks identical to the Legacy Susquahanba except for the livery, and any kind of car coupled to the Lehigh Valley never derails running through 031 curves and 022 switches. Both electrocouplers on the Lehigh Valley appear to be properly wired with one wire going through the little hole on each side of the electrocoupler.

Any thoughts regarding this weird problem and how to fix it?

Arnold

Last edited by Arnold D. Cribari
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It's a mechanical limitation. Has nothing to do with wiring and everything to do with how wide the coupler can swing (angle) compared to the engine and how strong the spring returning it to center. That's why it derails the freight car. Passenger cars likely have an articulated coupler that compensates.

Sorry, but at some point, this is why cannot recommend people build a layout around 031 curves and then get mad when some new modern piece of equipment derails. One half the industry demands more scale and detail and the other half goes old school with 031 bare minimum curves and 022 switches. There is a point where the 2 become incompatible.

Last edited by Vernon Barry

Nearly the exact topic "Lionel Legacy S2 Switcher Derailing Freight" came up before https://ogrforum.com/topic/36344167752689812

No real resolution in that topic which leads me to believe even though Lionel lists some new equipment at 031 minimum, it's not exactly proven reliable at 031.

I believe minimum radius refers to the item negotiating the curve by itself. Coupler swing is a separate issue. It may be the newer S2s use a different coupler or mount than the previous versions. I don’t have anew one to compare so can’t offer a solution but suspect it shouldn't be a big problem. Anyone who has both could compare the two.

Pete

Arnold, try a simple solution first, see if any of the more modern cars you may own have a pivoting coupler arm instead of a fixed arm, like what you’d find on the many postwar cars I know you have,……Vernon kind of eluded to this point earlier in a reply. Most passenger cars have an articulating arm. A lot of modern freight cars have a similar set up, ……I’d try that approach before doing any alterations to the locomotive……also, a light car is going to be easier to toss off O31 curves …….you must have alot of whiplash workman’s comp claims on your railroad, ……good thing you’re an attorney!!…..🤣🤣🤣

Pat

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