What Vision Line Engine Would You Like To Be Offered Next??

I'd like to see a Vision Line PRR T1 Duplex.

I think some scale Vision Line N&W A Class 2-6-6-4’s would be pretty sweet! Lionel could do a glossy VMT 1218, regular in service versions, and some of the early A’s with the front boiler tube pilot and original smaller tender design. Maybe even offer a set with an early A, boxcar, flatcars with Sherman tanks, and a caboose to have a wartime theme! Just some ideas 💡

Some ideas that I have: Siemens Charger; SD70ACe-T4; GEVO Hybrid remake with new liveries; Wabtec Battery-Electric Loco and BNSF ET44C4 Set (both powered units and a selection of modern freight cars, including a Vision Sound Car); Big Blow 3-Unit Gas Turbine; Erie and/or Virginian Triplex; Vision Ethanol Tank Cars; New Vision Modern Freight Cars

an 036 steam engine like this one maybe:

or another 036 friendly

First edition big boy, I like the chalk they put on the front of the legacy version.

I like the idea of a vision line accessory.

I would like another run of the GG1's in a few years (given they did it fairly recently).

I could see the N&W J's being a good candidate for VL - as long as they get the colors right this time

Of course, I'd go for a PRR K4 but I don't think there would be that much demand. It would probably be better to stick with regular Legacy for it. Better for my wallet too.

A Union Pacific 844

@locolawyer posted:

Friends,

On October 24, 2019, I started a thread entitled "What Do You Think The Next Vision Line Engine Will Be?" which received lots of responses. On a similar note, my question now is, what vision line engine would you like to be offered next that you would be willing to buy, assuming it included at least some of the usual VL features including whistle steam, swinging bell, steam blow down, kinematic drawbar etc.

In my post from 1 1/2 years ago, I thought the next Vision Line was going to be a Dreyfuss Hudson. Obviously, my prediction on that was wrong, but hey, it doesn't hurt to dream.  My answer to what I would like to see as the next VL offering is still a Dreyfuss Hudson. Yes, I know I am beating a dead horse here, but its still nice to dream about one.

So, what would you like to see offered as the next Vision Line engine? Post your responses below. May be will Lionel will take our responses into consideration if there is a common theme here. Thanks for reading.

Erol

Yeah, I would buy all offerings of these.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'd like to see a Vision Line PRR T1 Duplex.

I would second that as well.

@N&WGuy posted:

I think some scale Vision Line N&W A Class 2-6-6-4’s would be pretty sweet! Lionel could do a glossy VMT 1218, regular in service versions, and some of the early A’s with the front boiler tube pilot and original smaller tender design. Maybe even offer a set with an early A, boxcar, flatcars with Sherman tanks, and a caboose to have a wartime theme! Just some ideas 💡

1218 would be great. Sherman tanks from one of the prior offerings have been criticized though. I don't remember what post it was off of, but it was said that MTH had far better tank models.

If they do make the Dreyfuss(crosses fingers, prays to the Dreyfuss God, rubs magic Hudson), it would be excellent if they had the 20th Century Limited cars with it. I wonder if they would have two different car sets, or if just one?

The really interesting thing, the first 3 are the lawsuit engines, which all of us who miss them really want them. I know I had buzzed Ryan's ear at York some time ago now and sort of put it loosely indicating these engines, without exactly saying them. Yeah, Ryan knew what I was talking about, because I did say that tooling would be needed, and no engine is off the board, provided of course the tooling gets made for it. I think that was October York 2018. I had also mentioned other Hudson's, American 4-4-0's, which they were already in the works obviously.

I don't rightly remember what else I had brought up to Ryan either in 2017(October) or 2019(October) York shows, but I am sure that if I did, it was already something that possibly is being worked on, or coming out(meaning before I said it, they were already working on it). It would be nice to see something that we can't think of that we always overlook, but I can't think of what that could be.

I often think about earlier steam engines, but realize that the possibility of there being a market for something like a Prairie 2-6-2. Where that would be a probable no show, I pine for the Royal Hudson's of Canada. I remember talking with John(GRJ) about some that were sitting on a table while we were chatting away about something, and wishing that Lionel would make some. John said it would be an easy upgrade to make it so, just need to buy the engine. Been seeing a ton of Weaver engines floating out there including Royal Hudson's(one way overpriced for sure). Either way, I guess I will have to wait and see as usual, but that is my two cents.

@locolawyer posted:

Friends,

On October 24, 2019, I started a thread entitled "What Do You Think The Next Vision Line Engine Will Be?" which received lots of responses. On a similar note, my question now is, what vision line engine would you like to be offered next that you would be willing to buy, assuming it included at least some of the usual VL features including whistle steam, swinging bell, steam blow down, kinematic drawbar etc.

In my post from 1 1/2 years ago, I thought the next Vision Line was going to be a Dreyfuss Hudson. Obviously, my prediction on that was wrong, but hey, it doesn't hurt to dream.  My answer to what I would like to see as the next VL offering is still a Dreyfuss Hudson. Yes, I know I am beating a dead horse here, but its still nice to dream about one.

So, what would you like to see offered as the next Vision Line engine? Post your responses below. May be will Lionel will take our responses into consideration if there is a common theme here. Thanks for reading.

Erol

I’ve been waiting for a Legacy Dreyfuss for years. Would instantly order one even if it was a Vision model and the associated extra expense. I would also budget for the cost of having Harry repaint it battleship gray after it’s delivered in graphite.

Erie Triplex

I would love a PRR T-1 duplex with whistle steam, safety pop off valve and reciprocating cylinder steam. Also have it with removable skirting and a long nose version.

A diesel would be  nice

@Rider Sandman posted:

I’ve been waiting for a Legacy Dreyfuss for years. Would instantly order one even if it was a Vision model and the associated extra expense. I would also budget for the cost of having Harry repaint it battleship gray after it’s delivered in graphite.

Have you seen what Bruk does with Legacy upgrades?  He's done the Dreyfus as well.

Pennsy I1 2-10-0 Decapod, long and short tender.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

Have you seen what Bruk does with Legacy upgrades?  He's done the Dreyfus as well.

If I manage to get lucky finding one, that is what I intend to do. Bruk's work is unbelievable, but so dang awesome.

Strasburg RR Baldwin 2-10-0 #90

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

Have you seen what Bruk does with Legacy upgrades?  He's done the Dreyfus as well.

I sure have and it’s tremendous!  At one point I made an initial look for the TMCC version for him to start with.  I have a PS-2 version that sits on a shelf (my only MTH engine). I don’t know what the pros and cons of using it would be.  Once MTH announced they were folding up the tent, I kinda cooled off on the conversion thought under the hope their Dreyfuss tooling would get sold to Lionel. So, I guess I’m kinda in a holding pattern.

@John Hon posted:

I would love a PRR T-1 duplex with whistle steam, safety pop off valve and reciprocating cylinder steam. Also have it with removable skirting and a long nose version.

Only the two prototype T1s were long nose with skirting.  This is the version MTH made thousands of.

The 50 production engines did not have shirting.  When built, half had portholes over the pilots, half did not have the portholes.  After a couple of years, I think all portholes were removed and all production engines soon looked like Lionel’s scale T1 from 2000.

Of the four variants of the T1, the version that has not been made in O is the prototype engine (long nose) without skirting.

I personally would like Lionel to do a VL version of their 2000 engine.  Maybe also do two different fronts for one with portholes and one without.

As I model modern era, I would love to see a VL modern diesel like the SC44 or ES44C4, but, in my opinion, diesels don’t offer the detail of steam. The lighting of the Charger (with the open vent sides) might qualify.

I can see another steam locomotive. Here’s hoping for Strasburg 90. UP 844 would be cool, but not an engine I must have personally. Another Pennsy unit would be my thoughts.

And based on Lionel’s production, we probably won’t know what the next VL engine is until the winter 2022 catalog.

We will see.

Thanks for that information CaPPilot.  What I was proposing was to make the prototype long nose that would have removable skirting. The skirting could be diecast or brass and held on by magnetics or something similar. Then one could have both with and without skirting in one model.  If necessary to have more versions then Could also make versions of short nose with portholes and short nose without potholes.

Any Vision engine I would consider would have to be of prototype not yet modeled in three rail. Lionel came close with the SP GS-1 if only they had done the as built version. Consider a NYC articulated, they actually had a couple, or a K5a or K3 Pacific.

Pete

I'm hoping for a VL Dreyfus too !

Alex

GP40X

How about some 2 rail engines? The Alco S-2?

One more vote for the T1 Duplex here!

-Greg

Vision 0-6-0 Dockside switchers

JK: Once again anything that hasn't been offered in O scale before..... Nothing special to me about extra smoke features and dual sound to pre-existing tooling....sheep

Possibly a Heisler,Shay or Climax.  They have one of each at the PRR near strasburg PA

Western Maryland 4-8-4 Potomac

not that i can afford it right now but maybe one day never say never

but i do have a ton of ideas as usual

EMD FT

POSTWAR style F3 BUT all diecast

700e rerelease with same tooling but new roadnames and colors other than plain black

ALCO DL109

really any ALCO EMD OR GE diesel would make me happy in Rock Island , or any northeastern road but after seeing an old video of the rock today on youtube i really would love to see anything for the rock in steam or diesel

besides we haven't really seen a diesel in vision line for a long time

@CAPPilot posted:

Only the two prototype T1s were long nose with skirting.  This is the version MTH made thousands of.

The 50 production engines did not have shirting.  When built, half had portholes over the pilots, half did not have the portholes.  After a couple of years, I think all portholes were removed and all production engines soon looked like Lionel’s scale T1 from 2000.

Of the four variants of the T1, the version that has not been made in O is the prototype engine (long nose) without skirting.

I personally would like Lionel to do a VL version of their 2000 engine.  Maybe also do two different fronts for one with portholes and one without.

Ron, I really like what you are saying here. I would buy at least two versions of this engine, that is whichever is not the clown colored ones that didn't ever exist. I really like the look of these T1's, I actually got a card a number of years ago along with other cards. I think they were from something like a Railroad Encyclopedia or such. I forget where I tucked them. I do know that the Big Boy was one of the other cards, along with the GG1 and a Diesel. I don't remember what the other was, just remember that there was five of them.

Lots of good ideas!

How about a Vision Line Wienermobile Erol?  Just imagine the features Lionel could cram into one of these.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

How about a Vision Line Wienermobile Erol?  Just imagine the features Lionel could cram into one of these.

Could have Wiener mobile operator vend hot dogs at station stops like the Milkman with milk cans.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

How about a Vision Line Wienermobile Erol?  Just imagine the features Lionel could cram into one of these.

Here's a great whistle for it:

How about a VL Flying Scotsman or some more VL SF steam?

Seems we've got more than a few votes for the PRR T1. I like the removable skirting idea!

@SPSF posted:

GP40X

Second that.

While very few GP40X's were built, the roads that had them were the Santa Fe, Southern Pacific, Union Pacific, and Southern. In Santa Fe they appeared in the blue/yellow bonnet as well as the Kodachrome schemes. All of these are big sellers. Then you have the merger schemes in SP+Rio Grande, BNSF and Norfolk Southern. I know that GP40X's still operate on the BNSF. And then there are the secondary roads, so even though there were very few units built there are lots of paint schemes that can be applied.

The T1 would be cool. Especially if it could somehow roll with the T1 Trust project (not sure what their time lines are). Erie Triplex would be cool too. Flying Scotsman would be real cool. I'm not huge into European steam but I also thought the Scotsman was a cool loco.

Basically any oddball wheelbase or power source is interesting to me. I know the investment in new tooling is significant but still...I like the oddities.

Other than that, I would love to see some steam switchers (0-6-0, 0-8-0) done up in Vision Line. That's my selfish pick because I have so much switching on my layout. The Legacy locos are a TON of fun to run in a yard. Extra noise and smoke effects would be awesome. It would especially be cool to see them offered in smaller roadnames like maybe they were specific to a company or something.

Great thread!

@BillYo414 posted:

The T1 would be cool. Especially if it could somehow roll with the T1 Trust project (not sure what their time lines are). Erie Triplex would be cool too. Flying Scotsman would be real cool. I'm not huge into European steam but I also thought the Scotsman was a cool loco.

FYI - The T1 Trust is building a version that looks like Lionel's scale model.

@CAPPilot posted:

FYI - The T1 Trust is building a version that looks like Lionel's scale model.

Yep, but I'm fairly certain I won't be alive to see that full sized T1 Duplex completed, so I'm hoping for a Lionel Vision Line version.