Hello all, What is the best way to construct a control panel? I have a space that is 4'x2' that is usable space for a control panel. I need to put all my transformers and 022 switch controllers on the control panel. I have (4) Z's, KW and a ZW. I have (10) 022 switch controllers. My accessory controllers will be near each accessory to operate them. I do not want to screw down the transformers and 022 switch controllers. But, do want all the wiring under the control panel. Lots of drilling holes I bet. Need some ideas. Thanks, Jeff
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Is the space as an extension of the layout, jutting out, or something that would be a panel on the perimeter?
This is just me thinking out loud, but in my opinion the days of a central control panel are over. With command control (DCS or Legacy) you just don’t need the complication of a control panel with hundreds of wires connected to it.
Learn to use all the features in either of those command systems and you can control your entire layout from a remote, your phone, or a tablet. I think you’ll find that is a lot more fun than being tied down to standing in a single spot behind a control panel.
Thank you for the insights Rich. Can you use these features to operate PW rolling stock and o22 switches? I’m interested because my equipment is of that vintage. It seems LionelJeff might be in the same boat.
Hello all, I have all Postwar Lionel Trains. So, using DCS or Legacy I am somewhat limited. I have to do it the old school way. Unless you can think of a way to do using DCS or legacy. I like all the interactions I have with the layout. If I just sit there pushing buttons on a remote I don't get the real experience of running trains. I have experience with DCS with my Prewar Lionel Standard Gauge. I was limited. Never used it with my Postwar Lionel trains. I have a U shaped layout and the control panel will be at bottom of the U so to say. With table top in front and on left and right side of control panel. It will be about 2'x4' tucked in there. Unless I have room to put it on perimeter. I am still in the planning stage of track plan. Thanks.
planning and building my control panel has been my favorite layout project. I’m still not done, but I enjoy adding to it as I get time. I would recommend screwing down the O22 switches as it helps keep them in neat and tidy rows. The majority of our accessories are controlled via buttons on the table facia near the accessory. Hope this provides some inspiration for you
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Hello, where exactly did you put your accessory controllers? On top or on the side of platform? What size screws did you use to screw down 022 switch controllers? Thanks, Jeff
@Lioneljeff posted:Hello, where exactly did you put your accessory controllers? On top or on the side of platform? What size screws did you use to screw down 022 switch controllers? Thanks, Jeff
What would seem to work better for your layout and space? Can you or others walk around and push buttons around the layout? Or is it better to have it centrally located? If you plan to run mostly on your own, it might make sense to have it all centrally located this way you can run trains, activate operating tracks, and then operate accessories all in one…
You can see the arcade style buttons on the side of the table. This is an old pic and I have since added more buttons and accessories.
There are a number of really good control panel threads on the forum that I referred to me get started. I can provide some links if needed.
It does make a big difference if one is running all command vs conventional. A control panel is more important with conventional than command though there is still some reasons with command. The traditional components of a control panel are: Block Control; Switch Control; Accessory control and Transformer/ throttle.
Blocks are sections of track that can be turned off independently from each other even if on the same transformer. Thus, some conventional engines can be running while others are turned off in a block that is turned off. This block system is still needed if one is running a mix of both command and conventional. If running command only this may not be needed for the main lines. In a command environment it can be desirable to turn off sidings as the clock keeps running on some engines and the boards are powered to some extent.
The traditional approach to a control panel is to have a drawing of the layout in a large format somehow painted or applied to a board or Masonite (The budget approach in the old days was auto pin stripping on Masonite). The block controls and switch controls and indicator lights are mounted directly on the drawing at the location of the device. This allows one to very quickly figure out which switch to throw. I find it awkward and slow doing switches from a handheld (but my opinion and I am old), and sometimes the action with several trains running is the need to throw the switch right now. Its awkward to build this with O22 controllers and they can be replaced with switches or push buttons and lights. Z-stuff controllers (Ross) are small enough to be mounted on such panels with planning.
Accessory control includes the buttons for UCS/RCS tracks and specialized controllers for specific accessories. These controllers can be in a central location, but there is often an advantage to have these controls close to the item in small distributed panels. Some sidings too can have distributed block control. I think that mainline blocks, switches and transformers are best in a central location for mainline control in conventional. Some secondary sections of the layout might be controlled from a smaller distributed panel.
Transformers with throttles and controls (whistle, bell) are best in close proximity to block switch panels in conventional, so that it can all be reached. Full command layouts may use only brick type transformer that are out of sight.
Finally there is the cool factor. Control panels are cool. The Tardis panel (Hexagonal in the center of the room), Dr Zarkoffs space ship, The Enterprise bridge. I do agree they can be complex things to build, but worth it.
I recommend a forum search on this subject. There are a number of old threads about how people built their panels. A lot of diverse approaches, some very nicely done.
Bill
Hello all, I think it will work best if all my controllers are centrally located. It will be just me operating the trains. I have 2 nieces and one nephew that love trains. I would like them to be involved too. But, as long as I have all the controllers labeled and numbered, etc. I should be fine having them push the right buttons. Thanks for the info on the screw size for 022 switch controllers. I will have a bunch of #90C and 364C controllers I would have to secure to control panel. Now, I have I believe 22 accessories. I have them split up between 4 of my Z transformers. The locomotives will run off my ZW and the dozen 022 switches will be run off the KW. Lights and other things, worry about that later on.
If you have a lot of Lionel switches and uncoupling/accessory tracks, here's how Jim Steed did it...
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I enjoyed this build. Actually have 2 of them which I no longer need both, will part with one. The panel is on drawer slides and stores under layout when not being used.
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Hello all, I will have 12 to 14 switch controllers for my 022 switches. Will have 7 UCS sections thus having a controller for each. I will have 10 no.90C controllers and 6 no.364C controllers. Should be able to fit all this on a 4x2 control panel. Will have to measure my 4 Z transformers spaced correctly, measure my ZW and KW space requirements as well. Hope it's enough room. If not, I will relocate the control panel. Thanks.
Here is my under construction panel. 5'x2' It is on wheels to keep under platform. 13 O22 , 6 UCS, 2 whistle controller controllers switches for all blocks, lighting and accessories. room for 2 more transformers if needed. All power feeds have circuit breakers also a 1053 and computer ps for lighting and accessories. (these are under the shelf. John
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@Lioneljeff posted:Hello, where exactly did you put your accessory controllers? On top or on the side of platform? What size screws did you use to screw down 022 switch controllers? Thanks, Jeff
On my boyhood layout, I held down the O22 controllers with a long, skinny slotted bolts and washers, with each tightened down by a nut. If you drill the holes in the right place, it's an easy matter to slip the screw through your panel and tighten the nut from beneath. The washer keeps the nut from chewing up the underside of the wood panel. Something like this:
I still have these from all those years ago. When I build my next layout, I'll use the same technique if not the exact same bolts. The only difference will be that I'll get a small paintbrush and dab some black paint on top of the bolts (before inserting them) to make the tops blend in better with the bakelite controllers. I believe I got mine from Sears back in the day but you can no doubt find them at a place like Ace or online (e.g., https://www.mcmaster.com/slott...-head-slotted-screws).
HTH
Steven J. Serenska
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@Victor Bertolina posted:
Did the same thing, I just put a dab of black paint on the screws