Lionel Base3

Yes, the phone was backed up. But the strange thing was that the photos did not appear until the roster loaded from the base. I agree it is probable the images are being pulled in with some other mechanism and that it is less likely they would be on the base. But ultimately, what I found interesting was that there is apparently some mechanism to transfer them unknown to me, so it made me think it might be possible to implement the same using the Base 3 / Cab3.

I asked Microsoft's "Copilot" and here is the answer about copying an iPhone app together with its contents to another iPhone:

@stangtrain posted:

I asked Microsoft's "Copilot" and here is the answer about copying an iPhone app together with its contents to another iPhone:

Copilot

Usingthe web

Sent by Copilot:

Transferring a single iPhone app along with its contents to another iPhone can be done, but it typically involves transferring all your data rather than just one app. Here are a few methods you can use:

1. Quick Start: This feature allows you to set up your new iPhone using your current device. It transfers all your data, including apps and their contents, wirelessly. Both devices need to be running iOS 11 or later¹.

2. iCloud Backup: You can back up your old iPhone to iCloud and then restore that backup on your new iPhone. This will transfer all your apps and their data².

3. iTunes/Finder Backup: You can create a backup of your old iPhone using iTunes (on Windows or macOS Mojave and earlier) or Finder (on macOS Catalina and later), and then restore that backup to your new iPhone³.

4. App Store: If you only need to transfer a specific app, you can download it from the App Store on your new iPhone. However, this won’t transfer the app’s data unless the app itself supports cloud syncing².

Unfortunately, there’s no straightforward way to transfer just one app with its data without using these broader methods. If you have any specific requirements or need further assistance, feel free to ask!

I think we just wait for Lionel to add an export/import function like the MTH Wi-Fi app does.  Restoring entire backups from iCloud every time you want to add a new engine picture is not a solution.  Not to mention you can't do that between different devices like iPhone and iPad anyway.

I can’t get icab to show a lineup, what’s the trick?

thanks for the info!

Alan

Has anyone changed the name of their Base3 to a home RR specific name? When I start my Cab2 it looks for the name of my RR first then finds Base3 upon search. I’m pretty sure this can be done but I haven’t found it in the documentation yet.

I also don’t want to be the first to do this.

@stangtrain posted:

Has anyone changed the name of their Base3 to a home RR specific name? When I start my Cab2 it looks for the name of my RR first then finds Base3 upon search. I’m pretty sure this can be done but I haven’t found it in the documentation yet.

I also don’t want to be the first to do this.

I have. It easy to do just change the Base Name.

@H1000 Thanks! It does look easy and I will give it a try!

Is anyone having trouble with the switch roster? I have switches 2-10 programmed but the only one that shows up in the roster is #3. I’ve had a couple email exchanges with the help center and they’re aware of it. This is what I see when opening the switch roster. Not sure why there’s 2 #3’s? I saved the switches just like the engines which are all there. All in all, it’s a pleasure running my layout with this system.

Gene

@H1000 - - I was able to enter my name for the Base3 but when I went back it reverted to be BASE3 INIT.

Did I miss a step to save the name to the system?

Thanks!!

Gene,

I manually keyed on my switches and routes and so for no issues on any of them.  I was hoping to import them from the CAB 2 since those were keyed in using the CAB2 remote.   After testing the LCS app, my switches worked even though they were not entered in the CAB3 app.   A few years ago, I created a spreadsheet of all my legacy engines, switches, routes and accessories.   I used the LSU to get the values.    

This time I loaded the CAB3 app on the MAC (Silicon) and cut and paste my switch names from the spreadsheet.   Entering them in on the CAB3 app for the MAC was pretty quick and I used my iPad running LCS app to confirm they worked.  

The CAB3 APP work well on the MAC, but do not plan on using it too often except for data entry.

@stangtrain posted:

@H1000 - - I was able to enter my name for the Base3 but when I went back it reverted to be BASE3 INIT.

Did I miss a step to save the name to the system?

Thanks!!

Don't know how you could.  You just enter new name, click Back button and it saves.

@Sean's Train Depot and @H1000:

This time it worked! Not sure why it didn't work the last 3 tries. BTW, it took several (many) swipes down to get to the base details screen, but all wells that ends well. Is there any trick to swiping either up or down with the Lionel APP?

My layout name now displays in my Legacy controller as changed when I power it up.  Nice!

Thanks for your help!

Stan

@stangtrain posted:

@Sean's Train Depot and @H1000:

This time it worked! Not sure why it didn't work the last 3 tries. BTW, it took several (many) swipes down to get to the base details screen, but all wells that ends well. Is there any trick to swiping either up or down with the Lionel APP?

My layout name now displays in my Legacy controller as changed when I power it up.  Nice!

Thanks for your help!

Stan

Yes, when you swipe down do it from the middle Not the top.  If you play with you will see where to swipe from each direction.  It’s not as obvious as you would think.

@Sean's Train Depot - Good tip, thanks! And, BTW, your videos were so very helpful in getting started with Base3 and Cab3 APP !!

@PatapscoValleyRR posted:

Gene,

I manually keyed on my switches and routes and so for no issues on any of them.  I was hoping to import them from the CAB 2 since those were keyed in using the CAB2 remote.   After testing the LCS app, my switches worked even though they were not entered in the CAB3 app.   A few years ago, I created a spreadsheet of all my legacy engines, switches, routes and accessories.   I used the LSU to get the values.    

This time I loaded the CAB3 app on the MAC (Silicon) and cut and paste my switch names from the spreadsheet.   Entering them in on the CAB3 app for the MAC was pretty quick and I used my iPad running LCS app to confirm they worked.  

The CAB3 APP work well on the MAC, but do not plan on using it too often except for data entry.

Thanks for the info. My layout is pretty basic with no LCS modules. I’m finding it odd that no one else is experiencing this switch roster problem. After multiple times of programming the switches and saving to the base, it still shows just switch #3. Quite puzzling 🤔.

Gene

I find it hard to believe anyone is using cab3 in current state. About 10% of the time I swipe i get some runaway throttle state in the app that doesn’t stop till i kill it. Base station showing a nonstop signal being tx’d. Where’s QA? It’s pretty much not useable for me in current form.

@Kneissl Sure it has it's problems (not defending Big L) - but updates are coming in the next 2 weeks. Hang in there, maybe try a different device if you have one handy. I've had reliable usability with an old iPhone SE and an old LG Tablet, yet my modern iPhone gives grief. Go figure...

@H1000 posted:

Now here's another idea for loading an engine into the CAB3L app. After you add the engine number to the CAB3L app, Lionel could print a QR code on the bottom of the engine and box. Then scan the QR code which would fill in all of the information, operating details about the engine, and default picture similar to the process of the CAB3b Bluetooth & Sensor track. This would be very cheap to implement and make configuring new engines into the app as easy as a snap.

The Legacy items in 2024 Volume 2 and beyond, which all have 4-Digit addressing, have new technology called ESB, or ShockBurst. We're using this to send the locos' information to the Base3/Cab3 when you hit SET regardless if it's a 2-Digit or 4-Digit ID that you've assigned. These will all get the images imported. And you don't even need to run them over the SensorTrack.

That's obviously little consolation for existing Legacy locos. Engines from 2022 and beyond, you can at least run over the SensorTrack and get the same information.

But we included the ability to take your own photo for a reason. It's much nicer that those stock images.

As for saving/transferring those images. iCab utilized your iTunes account to save and transfer them. We've not done this (yet) with Cab3. And we'd have to figure out a way to do it with Android. But it'll be coming at some point.

As others stated, the Base3 itself does not store images. Only text. Hence why we rely on the APP/Smart Device to do that part.

Has anyone had success getting their Base3 to join their home network by supplying the SSID & Password, hitting Set, and then flipping the switch to 'Network' when the SSID has spaces in it?  Whenever I do, I get a flashing L, and it never appears on my network.  Wondering if it's a me-issue or a base3-issue.

No problems using it in AP mode, it's just not ideal for my situation.

The stock Base3 IP is 192.168.111.1 <-- not good.     If you change it, it should connect to your home network in a nanosecond.

Look at the Last Post in this thread...

Base 3 keeps disconnecting from tablet, and now tablet cannot connect at all

Hi all,

If it hasn't been stated already, we need a printed manual for the base 3, especially since the price we paid wasn't free!  I dislike having to go to a web page to read info on my not so portable computer.

I wonder if there isn't at least a pdf manual, is because there are a lot of bugs and changes.

@donhradio posted:

Hi all,

If it hasn't been stated already, we need a printed manual for the base 3, especially since the price we paid wasn't free!  I dislike having to go to a web page to read info on my not so portable computer.

I wonder if there isn't at least a pdf manual, is because there are a lot of bugs and changes.

The very reason they use the WEB based documentation is the bugs and changes of a new product!  It's much faster to whack a page on a website than regenerate a PDF file for every fix.

John is correct... AGAIN!

@donhradio posted:

Hi all,

If it hasn't been stated already, we need a printed manual for the base 3, especially since the price we paid wasn't free!  I dislike having to go to a web page to read info on my not so portable computer.

I wonder if there isn't at least a pdf manual, is because there are a lot of bugs and changes.

Do you know how much information on the website has changed since Base3 was released?  A lot.

Not only that but it's laid out for quick access to the various components and topics.  The online site is much more valuable than any paper manual.  Updated at a moments notice.  I'll take the website over flipping through a manual any day.  This is the way 95% of products have their documentation.

@Don R posted:

Has anyone had success getting their Base3 to join their home network by supplying the SSID & Password, hitting Set, and then flipping the switch to 'Network' when the SSID has spaces in it?  Whenever I do, I get a flashing L, and it never appears on my network.  Wondering if it's a me-issue or a base3-issue.

No problems using it in AP mode, it's just not ideal for my situation.

Me too -- I've tried several dozen times, both using WAP and SSID but no joy. Very frustrating.

Hey Marty, not liking on line manuals is a generational thing.  Won't disagree with the prompt updates though.  As I mentioned in my post there are a lot of bug fixes needed.  This board could be an important source of those to Dave Olson. Anyhow, when I'm lying in bed at night reading my desktop computer, I hate when it hits me on the bridge of my nose! (when I fall asleep) :-)

@donhradio posted:

Hey Marty, not liking on line manuals is a generational thing.  Won't disagree with the prompt updates though.  As I mentioned in my post there are a lot of bug fixes needed.  This board could be an important source of those to Dave Olson. Anyhow, when I'm lying in bed at night reading my desktop computer, I hate when it hits me on the bridge of my nose! (when I fall asleep) :-)

I'm sure Dave is keep tabs on the forum and seeing what issues need to be addressed and what needs updated in the online documentation.  To think otherwise would be silly.  Make sure you keep bandages on your night stand for your nose.  .  BTW I'm coming up on 60 and prefer the online manual for things like this that are in flux. Each their own.

@Garfield Irwin posted:

Me too -- I've tried several dozen times, both using WAP and SSID but no joy. Very frustrating.

I just went into the config utility, set my SSID and Password while in AP mode.  Flipped the switch from AP to Network; and it connected right away and shows up in my Routers Wireless connected devices.  Make sure you enter the SSID and Password observing case.  Both entries are case sensitive. This should be a fool proof way to connect to the network (WPS can be finicky).  Also, no special characters should be used in the SSID and Password other than "underscore".

The flashing "L" means you did not authenticate to your router.  That indicates the SSID or PW is not correct.

Hey Jon, I don't check into this site all that often, but it sure is nice to see YOU posting.  I hope you are still into trains, have a layout, and family is well.

All the best to you and yours, and also to all who happen to read this post!  P.S. From your reply above, I have to assume you are still into trains.

Been to the Elephant lately?

@SantaFeFan posted:

I just went into the config utility, set my SSID and Password while in AP mode.  Flipped the switch from AP to Network; and it connected right away and shows up in my Routers Wireless connected devices.  Make sure you enter the SSID and Password observing case.  Both entries are case sensitive. This should be a fool proof way to connect to the network (WPS can be finicky).  Also, no special characters should be used in the SSID and Password other than "underscore".

The flashing "L" means you did not authenticate to your router.  That indicates the SSID or PW is not correct.

Jon, I really appreciate your post because it forced me to think a little deeper about the issue because I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. I have two TV's, a firestick, two iPads, 3 iPhones, an Xbox and a Sonos sound system connected via SSID and never had an issue. But your comment about it being something about the SSID/password keep bugging me and tonight I found the answer: the SSID I've been using "THE MATRIX" has a space in the name. By chance I googled SSID name restrictions and noticed -- as you said -- that special characters including SPACES are generally a no-go. So I removed the space from the SSID name, reconnected all my devices and VOILA! The base3 connected via Network! The base3 is the first device in 20 years that failed to connect because the SSID contained a space! Anyway, I'm a happy camper now, so a big THANK YOU for pointing me in the right direction!

It seems like every time my phone goes into power save mode (Phone 12) the base 3 is disconnected, and I have to reconnect upon opening the APP again.

Is this normal?  Seems very inconvenient!

@donhradio posted:

It seems like every time my phone goes into power save mode (Phone 12) the base 3 is disconnected, and I have to reconnect upon opening the APP again.

Is this normal?  Seems very inconvenient!

We know it disconnects if it goes to the Lock Screen, so I am guessing it must be the same if it goes into Power Saving mode since you are experiencing it (although I would not run trains if your battery were that low in your phone). 

I never have my battery that low so have not experienced it. 

We are hoping for a future fix where it won't disconnect for either situation, but that is how it works right now.

@Dave Olson posted:

The Legacy items in 2024 Volume 2 and beyond, which all have 4-Digit addressing, have new technology called ESB, or ShockBurst. We're using this to send the locos' information to the Base3/Cab3 when you hit SET regardless if it's a 2-Digit or 4-Digit ID that you've assigned. These will all get the images imported. And you don't even need to run them over the SensorTrack.

That's obviously little consolation for existing Legacy locos. Engines from 2022 and beyond, you can at least run over the SensorTrack and get the same information.

But we included the ability to take your own photo for a reason. It's much nicer that those stock images.

As for saving/transferring those images. iCab utilized your iTunes account to save and transfer them. We've not done this (yet) with Cab3. And we'd have to figure out a way to do it with Android. But it'll be coming at some point.

As others stated, the Base3 itself does not store images. Only text. Hence why we rely on the APP/Smart Device to do that part.

Dave,

Thank you for the hard work you guys are putting into this and listening to us folks with OCD about our trains.

I know this Base3 will be "The one base to rule them all!" when you get some of these kinks nailed out.

@Kneissl posted:

I find it hard to believe anyone is using cab3 in current state. About 10% of the time I swipe i get some runaway throttle state in the app that doesn’t stop till i kill it. Base station showing a nonstop signal being tx’d. Where’s QA? It’s pretty much not useable for me in current form.

I am going to repeat what has been said. TMCC/ERR/CAB1 loco's and the CAB3 app have a known issue where throttle is being sent as absolute value, not relative to current velocity. If you have these types of locos, you may want to use a CAB1L remote (or full CAB2) until that is resolved in app. I know its not what everyone expected, but its good to have a backup device.

@donhradio posted:

Hey Jon, I don't check into this site all that often, but it sure is nice to see YOU posting.  I hope you are still into trains, have a layout, and family is well.

All the best to you and yours, and also to all who happen to read this post!  P.S. From your reply above, I have to assume you are still into trains.

Been to the Elephant lately?

Hi Don, Glad you are still into trains as well.  I don't post often, but try to help.  My best to you and family. Back to the Base3...

Garfield, The Telit WiFi module makes the connection to the router and the rules for the SSID are out of Lionel's hands.  The module has its own operating system and all we can do is send in the SSID and PW entered by the user to the module and ask it to connect to the router (with a 2 minute timeout timer).   I am glad that "TheMatrix" without spaces now works, love that name!

@donhradio posted:

It seems like every time my phone goes into power save mode (Phone 12) the base 3 is disconnected, and I have to reconnect upon opening the APP again.

Is this normal?  Seems very inconvenient!

A dedicated device (if, possible) can take care of those issues.  I started with a dedicated Samsung Galaxy 9+ that had been taken out of phone service some time ago and it worked just fine other than I then wanted a bigger screen.  I picked up the 59.00 version of the Fire 7", set it to full brightness and 30 minute non-use before sleep mode kicks in.  It is always on the charger when the trains aren't running... so it's always 100% charged when the trains are fired up and uses about 12% of battery power per hour of use.

@Dennis-LaRock posted:

A dedicated device (if, possible) can take care of those issues.  I started with a dedicated Samsung Galaxy 9+ that had been taken out of phone service some time ago and it worked just fine other than I then wanted a bigger screen.  I picked up the 59.00 version of the Fire 7", set it to full brightness and 30 minute non-use before sleep mode kicks in.  It is always on the charger when the trains aren't running... so it's always 100% charged when the trains are fired up and uses about 12% of battery power per hour of use.

1000% agree. Until I got a Fire 7 and now Fire 8 tablet ONLY for the train apps, I had all the same issues with the iPhone. If you’re gonna use the apps, invest in a dedicated device.

Mike

Dennis-LaRock and LT1Poncho,

I see that you are using Fire tablets for train apps, but your posts didn't mention Lionel apps specifically.

Are there instructions available somewhere on how to get Cab3 onto an Amazon Fire tablet?

Thank you.

@JamesR posted:

Dennis-LaRock and LT1Poncho,

I see that you are using Fire tablets for train apps, but your posts didn't mention Lionel apps specifically.

Are there instructions available somewhere on how to get Cab3 onto an Amazon Fire tablet?

Thank you.

Yes @JamesR I use the Cab3 app on my fire tablet. I will link the instructions I used below, however you can google putting google play store on fire tablet and get a YouTube vid. It’s a multi step process but should not discourage you. I’m very computer illiterate, and I did it twice. Once for my old tablet and then again for my fire 8.

https://www.androidpolice.com/...-amazon-fire-tablet/

Mike