3rd Rail FP45 Project

Scott,

Thanks! I’d be in for the Santa Fe “Super Fleet” freight version. That’s the revived warbonnet scheme with the large red Santa Fe lettering (road numbers 90-98) and represents the engines’ appearance from 1989 until retirement. That would compliment your upcoming SD40-2s nicely. I think I’d also go for one in the Santa Fe “Kodachrome” scheme of the late 1980s.

RM

Original sf warbonnet. Small black letters.

Ditto Tom Taipalus.  Good for 2 of them.
Question: would you do the F45’s as well?

Please offer F45’s. I’d be in for two of them, GN big sky blue and possibly BN 6600 series. Thanks for listening, Scott.

Did you mean to say SDP40F?

@Boilermaker1 posted:

Did you mean to say SDP40F?

For what it's worth, the Amtrak SDP40F is quite a bit different, not only being a "Dash 2" series with the HTC 3 axle truck (different than the F45 & FP45 trucks), but also there were no steps & hand railings in the front.

Question for the SF experts...

I know the early Red Warbonnet version with small black letters pulled the El Cap. I have also seen freight schemes in pictures pulling it too. Are there specific early freight schemes that I should be looking for if I want one to mix in to pull the El Cap?

The "Bookend"/blue dip scheme would be the freight contemporary of the small lettered warbonnet, although the FPs had the cigar band style logo on the nose rather than the square circle cross.

@Hot Water posted:

For what it's worth, the Amtrak SDP40F is quite a bit different, not only being a "Dash 2" series with the HTC 3 axle truck (different than the F45 & FP45 trucks), but also there were no steps & hand railings in the front.

Yes, I know they're not identical, but we're in the ballpark here.  Trucks would exist in Scott's parts bin from the SD40-2 project, and if he does Tunnel Motors he also has a frame with the right wheelbase.  Its not too much of a stretch to make the locomotives for the otherwise somewhat orphaned El Cap sets.

3 phases of Amtrak, ATSF, ATSF Maersk special paint job, and one was an EMD test bed in blue and white.  There's some opportunity here to share parts.

Wow, this is definitely a welcome surprise. Looking forward to seeing GG1 4877 and prrhorseshoecurve's responses; I assume they are among the top experts of what's prototypical for these locomotives.

Id be in for a GN Big Sky Blue F45 if produced. That warbonnet scheme is sharp too.

Milwaukee Road for sure.

Here are some suggestions.

1) Santa Fe F45 in 1960-1972 Freight Scheme

2) Santa Fe FP45's & F45's in Blue & Yellow Warbonnet Freight Scheme

3) Santa Fe FP45's & F45's in Kodachrome   

4) Wisconsin Central FP45 & F45's

5) Susquehanna F45's

6) Wisconsin & Southern F45's

7) Montana RailLink F45's

Put me down for 2. Spiderman F45ph VIA

rat

This one.  I took these photos in Barstow, CA.  The engine is on display at the old SF station (now Amtrak) and Harvey House.  NH Joe

@Hot Water posted:

For what it's worth, the Amtrak SDP40F is quite a bit different, not only being a "Dash 2" series with the HTC 3 axle truck (different than the F45 & FP45 trucks), but also there were no steps & hand railings in the front.

Thats Right! And I want two plus the test bed versions like PFM? and EMD!

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Thats Right! And I want two plus the test bed versions

What "test bed versions"? You need to be a LOT more specific, with details.

like PFM?

Again,,,,,,,,,,specifics?????

and EMD!

What does this mean? Of course "EMD" produced all the F45, FP45, and SDP40F models in various configurations and customer paint schemes.

SuperFleet  (Also Yellow bonnets & Kodachromes)

Burlington Northern

I'd like Milwaukee freight scheme.

I'd definitely be in for three as delivered ATSF Warbonnet versions to pull my El Capitan and perhaps a repainted freight version to go with the SD40-2 for a prototypical consist.

Don't forget about the Milwaukee Road passenger version painted in the post 1955 UP inspired scheme.  I haven't seen that one posted by anyone else. 

The other schemes have all been listed. 

For early Amtrak there are photos showing leased FP45s and F45s in consists with SDP40Fs.  One of my favorite consists is a photo showing a Warbonnet FP45 leading an as delivered blue and yellow F45, followed by a SDP40F pulling the Southwest Limited.  While it seems like a lot of HP, three units were common when ATSF was pulling the combined El Capitan / Super Chief.

I'd be in for two.  Tho I would like the Amtrak Sdp40f.

Sante Fe #92 https://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rs...Santa+Fe+Railroad=92

Milwaukee Road: https://www.google.com/imgres?...IYB3UQMygGegUIARCjAg

Several versions posted here: https://www.american-rails.com/34036.html

I unfortunately won't be able to order one, but I would think a must-offer would be ATSF 108. Currently operational at the Southern California Railway Museum, and beautifully restored to the as-delivered scheme.

Once again, Scott has found the right combination for my wallet. I am at three Superfleets, with one in  Blue & Yellow.

I'd be interested in as delivered 1967 as this is far outside my era but they would be so spectacular on the Hi Level El Cap. They were amazing locomotives. So ahead of thier time.

@Boilermaker1 posted:

The "Bookend"/blue dip scheme would be the freight contemporary of the small lettered warbonnet, although the FPs had the cigar band style logo on the nose rather than the square circle cross.

Yes, I know they're not identical, but we're in the ballpark here.  Trucks would exist in Scott's parts bin from the SD40-2 project, and if he does Tunnel Motors he also has a frame with the right wheelbase.  Its not too much of a stretch to make the locomotives for the otherwise somewhat orphaned El Cap sets.

3 phases of Amtrak, ATSF, ATSF Maersk special paint job, and one was an EMD test bed in blue and white.  There's some opportunity here to share parts.

SDP40F would be interesting as well. For so many reasons from rainbow trains to Amtrak fans.  Both of these locomotives have never been done right in 1/48. A Sunset quality FP45 and the albiet different but similar SDP40F in Amtrak would be neat.

Athearn's spectacular HO version. I own a pair of these and also a OMI brass version.

https://www.trains.com/mrr/new...ho-emd-fp45-and-f45/

When I lived near the ATSF Harbor Sub, I used to see a pair in Blue/Yellowbonnet parked on a siding. As I recall, there were at least four different paint/lettering patterns on the FP45's. There are photos at the links below:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic...3BltpoA&usqp=CAU

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rrpa_p.../98391/5953%2096.jpg

As a kid, I had them in this paint scheme Yellow/Blue war bonnet in HO.  If these were ever produced in O gauge in 3 rail in this paint scheme, even though I do not collect western roads, I would break down and buy them.  Thanks for sharing Matt

@AGHRMatt posted:

When I lived near the ATSF Harbor Sub, I used to see a pair in this paint parked on a siding. As I recall, there were at least four different paint patterns on the FP45's.

Hi Matt...please indicate if you took this picture or have permission to post it so that we can avoid any possible copyright.

Thanks!

@OGR CEO-PUBLISHER posted:

Hi Matt...please indicate if you took this picture or have permission to post it so that we can avoid any possible copyright.

Thanks!

I didn't. Fount in a Google image search, but didn't have any data. It was posted in another thread here.

@AGHRMatt posted:

I didn't. Fount in a Google image search, but didn't have any data. It was posted in another thread here.

Thanks Matt....If you have the link, then post it so that folks can see the image.  It is likely a copyrighted image and we don't want to have another 5 figure lawsuit like we had back in 2019.

Thanks!

Im so glad that other forumites chimed in for the making of Amtrak SDP40F's!

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Im so glad that other forumites chimed in for the making of Amtrak SPD40F's!

Have you EVER tried proof reading your posts?????   How about "Amtrak SDP40F"!

Regarding the FP45; Milwaukee Road had these without dynamic brakes.  Delivered in the UP Colored Passsenger Scheme, later repainted in Orange and Black "freight scheme".  Three different lettering options.  Small side lettering, Herald only and Large side lettering.  It appears that a roof top winterization hatch was added during the first repainting.

I've read the talk about the SDP40F.  It would be neat if we could have those as well for Amtrak.  If not, the FP45s painted Amtrak might suffice.  I hate to ever mention that, but I don't know what the overall interest is for the SDP40F.  The HO crowd finally got theirs just prior to covid.

If variations are possible, perhaps the F40C could also be produced.  Milwaukee Road had these for the Chicago commuter service.  Later repainted into Metra Colors.  These ran up until a couple years ago.  Metra still has a pair stored.

As far as I, I, I; Me, Me, Me; Me, I; Me, I, Me, I:  My interest would be 2 Milwaukee Road Yellow FP45s, 1 Milwaukee Road Orange/Black Herald Only, 2 Amtrak SDP40F's and 1 Metra F40C.

From here, we get into the Calculus of FP45s.  In one direction you have the F45 which was ordered by more road than just Santa Fe and Milwaukee Road.  In the other direction we have the SD45 which should be a future consideration.  And yes, when we get down and dirty into the SD45 discussion, C&NW had them without dynamic brakes and EL had SDP45's, which were a bit longer.  Wisconsin Central ended up with one of these (6634), so it would be a request:-)

Photos emailed to 3rd Rail directly to avoid any posting concerns.

Hey Guys:  How about an Amtrak F40PH?  I know this is a little off topic, but the nose looks similar....  Overland Models did not produce a lot of these.  I know one guy who has 4, two more guys that each have three, which I believe accounts for most of them.  With the Amfleets coming out and the Horizon Cars that have been out for some time, I think there might be some demand here.  I can think of 2 different Chicago-Metra paint schemes, 3 different Amtrak paint schemes, plus the Amtrak conversion to a cab control car........

I would order an Amtrak SDP40F.

Neal Jeter

@Brad Kowal posted:

Hey Guys:  How about an Amtrak F40PH?  I know this is a little off topic, but the nose looks similar....  Overland Models did not produce a lot of these.  I know one guy who has 4, two more guys that each have three, which I believe accounts for most of them.  With the Amfleets coming out and the Horizon Cars that have been out for some time, I think there might be some demand here.  I can think of 2 different Chicago-Metra paint schemes, 3 different Amtrak paint schemes, plus the Amtrak conversion to a cab control car........

I'd be in for at least 4. More if Chicagoland Metra is represented.

2 in Susquehanna please.

- Crank