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Hi, I am not a AF guy but came across a few.  I had a 293 that when tested ran great.  I have a 290 in great shape that will just hum like it is trying but won't move. A little smoke from the brushes too.  So I stopped trying.

 

  I pulled it apart and cleaned brushes etc, made sure there was nothing hanging up. Everything is fine. It's just a simple motor and all in very nice clean shape. I am not a technician but have worked on lots of Lionel and figure an electric motor is a motor.  Just attached a bit different.

 

Am I dreaming or did I read somewhere that some AF were DC current and some AC?  And if so would that cause this?

 

Thanks,

Matt

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The motor on the AF 290 is a universal AC/DC motor, and will run on either voltage type.

If the motor spins freely and there is no binding in the mechanism, then the next thing to check is the wiring. Make sure the motor is wired properly. See the drawing for proper wiring. Disconnect the wiring plug from the tender to the loco and jump the yellow and blue wires on the loco side of the socket. Apply power to the red and black wires and the motor should run. If it does not, then there is either a wiring problem, or the armature may be bad. A shorted armature will smoke.

 

Here is the parts view of the loco for reference.

 

Larry

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Gilbert made some engines with ALNICO permanent magnet DC motors but all 290's were AC. Standard items to check are rotate the armature with your finger or a small screwdriver to make sure nothing is binding. Check the condition of the brushes. Check the fingers and rotating drum in the tender for electrical continuity. This covers 90% of the operating issues. beyond these it could be a bad wire between the engine and tender or a broken winding wire. Much harder to fix but a relatively rare failure.

All the wires are black, so I don't know which to test for sure. 
 
The motor spins freely with a finger.
 
I took the tender off and was inserting my test wires into the back of the loco, while testing this. So the tender electrics are not a factor.
 
I didn't let it sir and burn. When I saw a bit of smoked I stopped.
 
Brushes etc are all in fine shape, and clean too.
 
Thanks
 
 
Originally Posted by TrainLarry:

The motor on the AF 290 is a universal AC/DC motor, and will run on either voltage type.

If the motor spins freely and there is no binding in the mechanism, then the next thing to check is the wiring. Make sure the motor is wired properly. See the drawing for proper wiring. Disconnect the wiring plug from the tender to the loco and jump the yellow and blue wires on the loco side of the socket. Apply power to the red and black wires and the motor should run. If it does not, then there is either a wiring problem, or the armature may be bad. A shorted armature will smoke.

 

Here is the parts view of the loco for reference.

 

Larry

 

Yep, got it going. Runs fine both ways. 

 

Pulled the tender top off.  Looks just like a Lionel E unit, or close.  Looks clean and all solder joints are nice.  Fingers are all there and it cycles nicely.  Must be a wire issue to the loco, even though they too look good.    Gave it a shot of contact cleaner and put it back together.  Same issue.  But at least we know the loco is running good.

 

A little more digging and she'll be fine.

 

Thanks again

Follow the wiring diagram I posted. The wire colors in the diagram are for reference, and ease of following the wiring.

 

Make sure the finger contacts are clean and in contact with the drum, and are not worn through or burnt. Make sure the drum is in good shape and the copper on the drum is clean and bright. You may need to dis-assemble the reverse unit to do a thorough inspection and cleaning.

 

Larry

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