Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:More of a got off my *** kinda thing. Finally dug some used trim molding out of the rafters to get some trim on this small section of the layout. The rest of the trim has been on for a few years.
Steve
That's a really pretty engine there.
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:I want a tinplate version of this.
Steve
hope that sweat box was refrigerated, I wouldn't buy any melted Fanny Farmer. 1934 Harley flathead VL, I believe.
Added more to my American Market Bing collection. A few More photos to come when I get home and more Bing in general to come this week!
1st up. #205 NEw York Central Lines, 8 wheel coach, wood side litho with orange letterings and orange window frames. Embossed “GBN(in diamond) Bavaria” on the bottom. Litho’d “Bing Miniature Railway System”(first car I have with that) on the top of each end
Another 205 New York Central Lines, 8 wheel coach, wood side litho with yellow lettering And window frames. Embossed “GBN(in diamond) Bavaria” on the bottom. Litho’d “Bing Miniature Railroad System” on the top of each end
The only thing new here is the 20th Century in the back. Otherwise this i’ve posted this 259 woodwide litho Observation before. 20th century came from another NYC 259 that I bought. I’ll show the next picture later. You’ll notice that the 20th century is off center b/c it only has 7 ‘grooves’. My Pennsylvania RR Lines Riveted Obs car and the aforementioned NYC Lines all have 8 ‘grooves(?)’ on which to put this sign. Will likely switch out the back of the observations so that the sign is centered
Bing 4 wheel New York Central Lines coach. Riveted litho body. Embossed bottom with “BW Germany”
George S posted:StevefromPA posted:George S posted:StevefromPA posted:Just picked this part of a Bing platform up on eBay after the seller accepted me offer.
After picking up a Wellls-Brimtoy raised station this past weekend, I really liked it but hate how it lacks a back. Besides buying another station to make it symmetrical, Which I didn’t want to do, I was stuck with placing it somewhere that the back wouldn’t be seen, which, with my current layout, meant having it face away from the track unless I’d make some major changes. With this piece, I don’t have to put it against a wall or worry as much about strategic placement because it adds a backside to the station. Once it arrives in the next 4 weeks( lol) I’ll be sure to post pictures.
I saw one like this that I was watching. I think it had railing on three sides. I am looking for one that has the two horizontal bars through the stanchions instead of the balusters. Yours will look good with your station though.
George
George, I got lazy and posted a picture from a website instead of the one that I got on ebay with a red underside and yellow rubber stamped "Made in Germany". Curious- particular reason that you're looking for one with 2 bars perpendicular to the stanchions? Trying to complete a set? I know this piece I bought was separated from the station platform with which it originally could be placed alongside or with a rail line or something else in between to add the number of lines the platform could service
I’ve seen this one listed, but it’s not in my budget and I already have the canopy.
I like the look of it and the railing is similar to the railing on the station I built for my layout.
George
Good stuff George! Admittedly,I’d prefer the canopy
. Thanks for showing this!
Got these in the mail yesterday. While there’s still plenty out there- I’m pretty much done buying Bing New York Central - unless its a loco .These guys look nice behind a 254E:
2395 Combine Car And 205 woodsode Coach. Combine car is probably my favorite overall. Woodside coach came with an Ives roof but I have a few of those 205s already
250 NYC OBservation Car, Lakewood Obervation Car, Winnebago Coach
some extras- the 205 on the left is nice(brightest 205 I have) but is really scuffed up. In the middle is an extra Lakewood Obs that came without wheels. In the back is a 4 wheel 259 Observation. On the right is a 205 with a terribly faded body that came with a frame with only one truck so I tried- and failed- to add a Marx truck to it.
got these guys today. Thats the nice side of the B&O. Was sold as not running- got it moving in about 10min after some lube, piling and cleaning. The UP challenger has the auto couplers with a slot in them to connect tabs, had been looking for one of those at the right price for awhile. 
Finally, Bing watchman’s shanty without the base. Still a nice looking piece. Both doors open and the handle locks both doors too.
first Bing piece I’ve bought with this logo that says “Bavaria” under the Be instead of Germany
Still Germany, Bravaria is Germany's largest state. It's between Czechoslovakia, Austria, Switzerland, and the the rest of Germany (the seacoast). It's at the Northeast side of, at the base of the Alps.
No pictures yet, but my TCA 2019 200 series hopper cars arrived yesterday. One is in Rio Grande Yellow and the other silver. I'll probably bring them to the 2019 convention in a few weeks for the Division trailer layout to run on the 5 rail loop.
Adriatic posted:Still Germany, Bravaria is Germany's largest state. It's between Czechoslovakia, Austria, Switzerland, and the the rest of Germany (the seacoast). It's at the Northeast side of, at the base of the Alps.
Butch i mighta hit my head but I haven’t forgotten geography or European history lol.
I, and others, have wondered why Bing went from BAVARIA or MADE IN BAVARIA to replacing Bavaria with Germany. As you said it’s Germany’s largest state. It’s held special status, whether as an electorate or something else, throughout the history of “Germany”(quotes because Germany has gone through quite a few iterations since the fall of Holy Roman Empire). Possibly because laws were not nearly as specific back then that by not naming the trademark by country they avoided the post-WWI protective tariffs?
Who knows- I just like it
As well as fooled a few customers with anti-German sentiment, which was high for some unkown reason 🤔.. 
Who knows, they may have even been thinking of trying to rename it all Bravaria, or Prussia, etc. I think one of my early 1900s encylopedias may refer to it as Bavaria too. (very interesting reading from an extremely dated encylcopedia. The state of mind, habits to beliefs, prejudices to politics of the day show themselves well dated, and often laughable contrasting against today)
Adriatic posted:I think one of my early 1900s encylopedias may refer to it as Bavaria too.
Bavaria was still a Kingdom in the early 1900s with King Otto I until 1913 and before that the famous King Ludwig II who had a luxurious train made for himself, this is my H0 model of one of the cars.
Regards
Fred
StevefromPa, Adriatic, and SNCF231E - just to add to the confusion below is a timeline progression of the trademark from some boxed sets of Bing.
Box lid from train cataloged in 1904 - Clockwork European outline engine
Box lid from train cataloged 1914 - American Market
Box lid from trains mid-1920's - train set is NYC for the American market. Cars have plated wheels and are illuminated
Box lid from trains cataloged late 1920's - Generic set - electric outline locomotive passenger train would fit in anywhere
found this American flyer tank car on ebay, I am partial to the color yellow
@Popi very cool AF tanker. Have acouple AF prewar- tanker is on my to get list! Also like that it’s Texaco as well!
An thanks for those pics @Robert S. Butler !! Gonna addthese to my Bing Logo Library lol. Actually just got my first piece with the logo from the last box you purchased. Part of a Passenger platform, Yellow stamped on the bottom.
This website is one of the websites I’ve been using for timeline purposes.
Any idea if the embossed logos on the bottom of cars and the earlier litho’d trademarks on the frame differ from the logos on the boxes they came in? I have quite a few American Market cars with embossed bottom logos that are all over the place(plain GBN like in your first pic, BW Germany like in your second pic. Then I have an English Market freight wagon and a German Market Baggage car with an litho’d logo on the top ends of the car that is similar to your last pic- although not sure if it says “Made in” in front of Germany.
My favorite litho’d logo is from a 14780 Baggage car(looks just like this https://www.historytoy.com/bub...ge-car-green-gauge-0 ) except there’s only a 14780 on one side, on the other side there’s a logo that has a KB over the BW. See pic below:
The KB over BW logo dates from the 1930's takeover of Bing by Karl Bub. I don't know how long that combined logo lasted. The actual year for the logo transition was 1933 - according to Claude Jeanmarie's book Bing Modellbahnen.
Robert S. Butler posted:StevefromPa, Adriatic, and SNCF231E - just to add to the confusion below is a timeline progression of the trademark from some boxed sets of Bing.
Box lid from train cataloged in 1904 - Clockwork European outline engine
Box lid from train cataloged 1914 - American Market
Box lid from trains mid-1920's - train set is NYC for the American market. Cars have plated wheels and are illuminated
Box lid from trains cataloged late 1920's - Generic set - electric outline locomotive passenger train would fit in anywhere
I believe the GBN logo means gebruder bing nuremberg, or Brothers Bing of Nuremberg. I would guess the reason why they used Bavaria in the 20's for the American market was because of the anti-German sentiment from WW1.
George
I have been desperately trying to give my wallet a bit of a rest lately ... the moths that live in there have been complaining raucously!
I was doing so well , until one of my weakness's appeared on the 'bay and forced my hand 
I really dont know why I have this weakness for Wittrock stuff, probably because it was only made for a few years and you dont see it very often. Being Danish in origin its not super well known outside of Denmark ...
Apologies for the photos as they are stolen off the listings ( haven't shipped to me yet)
So I got my third Clockwork Loco ...
And a nice little Postal Wagon
A cute little blue DSB Carriage..
DSB Freight...
And one especially for Fred @sncf231e
At first I wasnt too sure if the seller had got it right listing it as a Wittrock .. but using advanced Google-foo I did find it in a wittrock set picture (stolen from web)
All in all it was a good result .. only missed out on one wagon ( Fyffes "jamacan bananer")
I think there is only that one, the Carlsberg and a refrigerated van to complete my collection of Wittrock ?
Robert S. Butler posted:The KB over BW logo dates from the 1930's takeover of Bing by Karl Bub. I don't know how long that combined logo lasted. The actual year for the logo transition was 1933 - according to Claude Jeanmarie's book Bing Modellbahnen.
Yes, there was something major that happened in 1933 in that region, If not mistaken Bing (family) were of Jewish ancestory and the company was removed from his control at that time. I should caution my comments are based on memory of things read over time. That said If I remember correctly Bing then left and went to UK as he had ties with BS and other makers in the UK. Fred or another regional member can probably provide some more accurate detail. Also if you can find Bing and or KBN catalogs from the time there is overlap. A lot of the Bing cars and accesories ended up in KBN catalogs. I have some saved scans of I think a 1932 KBN cat so there may have been some overlap there. But I think Bing was gone from Germany in1933 or soon there after.
Edit, just looked the 1932 is still Bing, not KBN. it is the 1934 KBN scan that seems to show a lot of Bing stuff. Of course timeline wise this would support the 1933 change as discussed above.
Dennis,
If this helps, from the TCA:
Fortunes turned and by 1927 Bing was in serious financial trouble and the company's president, Stephan Bing, and his son, left the company. The US stock market crash of 1928 resulted in huge debts on the part of the John Bing division in New York being called in, for which the parent corporation had to take responsibility. This led to financial difficulties for Bing Werke, but given the political climate in Germany in 1932 (the Bing family was Jewish), no bank would loan Bing additional money. Bing Werke ceased to exist in August, 1932, and the assets were liquidated. Much of its tooling was acquired by rival toy companies. Falk and Krauss purchased the model steam related equipment, while Karl Bub of Bub Trains took the model train line, Fritz Hintermayr acquired the name and the gas boiler production, and Fleischmann bought up the model boat fabrication tooling and machinery. Bub continued building the Bing line of trains until the onset of WW2, and later folded completely in the 1960's. Bing went out of business for good in 1933 and the factory was abandoned.
Tom
Dennis, MNCW is has the full story. The book I cited earlier says the same thing.
That is it! Thanks guys!
My newly arrived Gunthermann clockwork tram. It has flanged wheels that are gauge one, although presumably it is a floor toy. Based on the appearance of the "AW" in the logo, I presume it to be from the pre-1920 period (see this page on the Binns Road site: http://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/gunthermann/index.html). It is highly detailed, including bow trolley on the roof and sign holders into which the owner can insert paper signs of their choice. Note the mustached tram driver at the controls! Any further information on the history of it would be welcome.
had a little tome for some mock up
John Smatlak posted:My newly arrived Gunthermann clockwork tram. It has flanged wheels that are gauge one, although presumably it is a floor toy. Based on the appearance of the "AW" in the logo, I presume it to be from the pre-1920 period (see this page on the Binns Road site: http://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/gunthermann/index.html). It is highly detailed, including bow trolley on the roof and sign holders into which the owner can insert paper signs of their choice. Note the mustached tram driver at the controls! Any further information on the history of it would be welcome.
Very nice pick-up @John Smatlak !! You’re right- the detail is awesome!
Some of my finds/pick-ups/deliveries over. The last week and 1/2 or 2 weeks:
Lionel #127 Station. Partially repainted but for the price andhow it looks- good get!
Just got this yesterday from across the pond via eBay. Hornby by Meccano building. Didn’t know what it was at first, just thought it looked really neat and the price was reasonable. Upon arrival I noticed 3 fire tanks litho’d in the side, thus, it has now taken the place of my plasticville fire Station on the Lehigh Valley RR portion of my layout.
Got this on eBay in a 3 piece lot labelled “prewar American Flyer”. Well, I recognized the crossing(below) as Ives and upon further research found this to be the Ives 201 station which someone took it upon themselves to insert a light bulb via the roof. That said, besides the 2 holes in the roof, the lithography on the sides and paint on the roof is in great shape. Was able to reconfigure the wiring so that the wires don’t come from the roof anymore but slyly go out the rear exit. Due to its size, 1/32 scale figures can match up well with it hence the larger benches.
The only Flyer piece from the aforementioned lot. It’s the No. 90 “American Flyer R.R.” Currently being used as a checkpoint to my “international zone” under U.N. & U.S. jurisdiction.
On the left, the last part of the “prewar AF lot” an Ives 216 crossing gate. Already have one(on the right) that I picked up at the Allentown First Frost. Those one is in much better condition, aka more original condition.
And can’t forget these! Corgi soldiers from Nick Smith. Diecast- 1/50 scale- fit nicely with MTH soldiers and K-Line/O-line repoductions SWAT figures & Soldiers
These arrived yesterday, with matching coaches. Both are Ives 3241s with a 184 buffet and 186 observation. The green one does run, but needs a new light bulb, as I believe it shattered during shipping. The red one, unfortunately, doesn't move. It buzzes loudly and at one point, started smoking. I have no idea what was going on, but once I saw smoke, I stopped trying to run it. Anyone have an idea why its not moving and smoking? Would this be an easy repair?
Lionel2056 posted:These arrived yesterday, with matching coaches. Both are Ives 3241s with a 184 buffet and 186 observation. The green one does run, but needs a new light bulb, as I believe it shattered during shipping. The red one, unfortunately, doesn't move. It buzzes loudly and at one point, started smoking. I have no idea what was going on, but once I saw smoke, I stopped trying to run it. Anyone have an idea why its not moving and smoking? Would this be an easy repair?
Did you get them off of eBay, If so I also bid on them then stopped. Maybe just do the basics and check for broken wires/shorts and such. Lot of luck and keep us posted. Maybe start a new thread on your repairs
RonH posted:Lionel2056 posted:These arrived yesterday, with matching coaches. Both are Ives 3241s with a 184 buffet and 186 observation. The green one does run, but needs a new light bulb, as I believe it shattered during shipping. The red one, unfortunately, doesn't move. It buzzes loudly and at one point, started smoking. I have no idea what was going on, but once I saw smoke, I stopped trying to run it. Anyone have an idea why its not moving and smoking? Would this be an easy repair?
Did you get them off of eBay, If so I also bid on them then stopped. Maybe just do the basics and check for broken wires/shorts and such. Lot of luck and keep us posted. Maybe start a new thread on your repairs
Hi Ron,
yes I did get them off of eBay. However, they were listed as 'Buy it now', so I didn't have to bid. Also, thanks for the advice. I'll take a look at the wires again, and see if there's anything I can do.
Lionel2056 posted:RonH posted:Lionel2056 posted:These arrived yesterday, with matching coaches. Both are Ives 3241s with a 184 buffet and 186 observation. The green one does run, but needs a new light bulb, as I believe it shattered during shipping. The red one, unfortunately, doesn't move. It buzzes loudly and at one point, started smoking. I have no idea what was going on, but once I saw smoke, I stopped trying to run it. Anyone have an idea why its not moving and smoking? Would this be an easy repair?
Did you get them off of eBay, If so I also bid on them then stopped. Maybe just do the basics and check for broken wires/shorts and such. Lot of luck and keep us posted. Maybe start a new thread on your repairs
Hi Ron,
yes I did get them off of eBay. However, they were listed as 'Buy it now', so I didn't have to bid. Also, thanks for the advice. I'll take a look at the wires again, and see if there's anything I can do.
Usually a buzzing sound comes from an e-unit as the magnet is holding the post. Does it have an e-unit? If so, the e-unit may be stuck. The smoke usually comes from the motor being energized but not moving. I usually spray the motor liberally with CRC contact cleaner and let it drain off. I spin the wheels and the motor during this process to loosen everything up. I wipe out any dirt I can get to. I clean the brush heads and armature plates with a pencil eraser. Then, I re-lubricate the motor and axels. I put light grease on the gears and a drop of light weight oil on the armature axel on both sides. If the e-unit is sticking, a similar process is required. Sometimes you need to remove the post from the magnetic coil to clean it thoroughly. Then it will require a few drops of light weight oil. While you are doing all of this, you should inspect the wires for rot and the wire connections. I had one that looked OK, but was shorting on the underside to the frame. Rot isn't always noticeable either. Move the wire and all the insulation crumbles away. They you need to re-wire one wire at a time. I bought cloth wrapped wire to keep the engine as original as possible.
Good luck!
George
Lionel2056 posted:These arrived yesterday, with matching coaches. Both are Ives 3241s with a 184 buffet and 186 observation. The green one does run, but needs a new light bulb, as I believe it shattered during shipping. The red one, unfortunately, doesn't move. It buzzes loudly and at one point, started smoking. I have no idea what was going on, but once I saw smoke, I stopped trying to run it. Anyone have an idea why its not moving and smoking? Would this be an easy repair?
Too hard to say if easy or hard with that little smidge of info. What exactly smokes is very relevent. Does it freewheel easily when pushed without power? If not, start there with oiling and mechanical jiggling until it does or you know the mechanicals are stopping it (not WD -40 except to flush crap out, it's not a "true" oil. Bad rust, may take penetrate oil [liquid wrench, pb blaster, etc. keep this off windings, paint etc)... then flush and use motor oil. Visually check wires. From there a cheapie multi meter (ohm, volt at least) is a great help (and learning tool at the same time), a test light-even home made with a wire and 12-18v volt bulb beats nothing. Start a thread and you'll get better, more personalized help from folks.
If it gets skipped over by (slim) chance, drop me an email at the address in my profile with a heads up. It's not rocket science, just something you aren't familiar with. ....yet 😉. The basics all pretty much the same for any open frame train motor. Nothing not learned in jr high electrical 101 class. You mostly only need the experts to wire things exactly as built (so easy there are multiple ways to wire things safely)...and that could be a last step.
I love those spoked wheels.
StevefromPA posted:
Just got this yesterday from across the pond via eBay. Hornby by Meccano building. Didn’t know what it was at first, just thought it looked really neat and the price was reasonable. Upon arrival I noticed 3 fire tanks litho’d in the side, thus, it has now taken the place of my plasticville fire Station on the Lehigh Valley RR portion of my layout.
This has been shown in this thread before: Hornby No 2 signal cabin
Regards
Fred
sncf231e posted:StevefromPA posted:
Just got this yesterday from across the pond via eBay. Hornby by Meccano building. Didn’t know what it was at first, just thought it looked really neat and the price was reasonable. Upon arrival I noticed 3 fire tanks litho’d in the side, thus, it has now taken the place of my plasticville fire Station on the Lehigh Valley RR portion of my layout.
This has been shown in this thread before: Hornby No 2 signal cabin
Regards
Fred
Yours seems to be missing the external stairs on the left side. Now here's a question: on the prototype, would the three buckets hanging on the wall in case of fire be filled with water? sand?
StevefromPA posted:My favorite litho’d logo is from a 14780 Baggage car(looks just like this https://www.historytoy.com/bub...ge-car-green-gauge-0 ) except there’s only a 14780 on one side, on the other side there’s a logo that has a KB over the BW. See pic below:
The double logo was used only a short time. You can find them only on Bub cars, never on Bing cars. After buying a few tools from Bing, Bub has started this logo end of 1932, but about the copyright, it was banned by a court in 1933.
Here a few other cars with them
Arne
O Gauge Guy posted:sncf231e posted:StevefromPA posted:
Just got this yesterday from across the pond via eBay. Hornby by Meccano building. Didn’t know what it was at first, just thought it looked really neat and the price was reasonable. Upon arrival I noticed 3 fire tanks litho’d in the side, thus, it has now taken the place of my plasticville fire Station on the Lehigh Valley RR portion of my layout.
This has been shown in this thread before: Hornby No 2 signal cabin
Regards
Fred
Yours seems to be missing the external stairs on the left side. Now here's a question: on the prototype, would the three buckets hanging on the wall in case of fire be filled with water? sand?
The stairs ain't missing, this is a Hornby No1 Signal Cabin, and the stairs are just printed on the side. As for the buckets, probably dry sand, fire buckets for use with water were always hung upside down, empty, obviously, to prevent them rotting out. They'd always be next to a standpipe too.
Cheers, Mark
@bigmark75f What is a standpipe? (I'm thinking I know this but I'm brain pharting; isomnia)
Is that how they "hung" upside down.
It makes some sense being emptied of water. It's the hanging that has me baffled. I've not seen a bucket handle I could use to hang a bucket upside down due to pivot height above center of gravity and lips rolled to the outer.diameter vs i.d where a hook could catch if hung sideways.
Hey, water would penetrate the sand clear to the bottom if it rained heavy too.
Then again firehouse maintenance is no joke and buckets not as numerous anymore..? 😁
I installed a lot of those yellow exhaust tubes for removing vehicle fumes from stations during start up and motor temp. retention. I was in more firehouses for more hours a week than many of the individual firemen would be, except a few super devoted brass here and there.
I recently purchased a 4 car Blue Comet set & 5 car State Set for $800. I'll be keeping the Blue Comet set and the add on Maryland car from the state set and selling the other 4 cars. I now have all the State Cars and can make a full 14' long 6 car train! I'm excited to run it on the 4th.
Id post a pic of the Blue Comet set, but I don't have a locomotive for it currently. I think I'm going to find a black 392e at some point to pull it, I figure at Christmas time it'll look kinda like the Polar Express.
I couldn't resist picking up a No. 98 Coal House from Side Track. They're still selling them for $75 (MSRP $179).
Brian Liesberg posted:I recently purchased a 4 car Blue Comet set & 5 car State Set for $800. I'll be keeping the Blue Comet set and the add on Maryland car from the state set and selling the other 4 cars. I now have all the State Cars and can make a full 14' long 6 car train! I'm excited to run it on the 4th.
Id post a pic of the Blue Comet set, but I don't have a locomotive for it currently. I think I'm going to find a black 392e at some point to pull it, I figure at Christmas time it'll look kinda like the Polar Express.
Wow - great deal - under $100 per car for Lionel/MTH finest.
Steamer posted:had a little tome for some mock up
Making a 4-8-4? At one time there was a guy who made an adapter plate to add the fourth axle to the 6 wheel drive.
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