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@Will posted:

Here is my modest haul from the Renningers meet on Saturday. This should hold me for a while.  Catalogs, caboose and gondolas courtesy of @John H. Shetler.

Nothing rare or unusual, but these pieces will run on my Christmas layout. The gons will carry Christmas trees as well as candy and small presents, which should delight the granddaughter. I have had no luck with finding some of the prewar signals I wanted, so I went ahead and bought a few 153s, which are "technically" prewar. I am debating altering these, just for the fun of it. Maybe a new color base and a white disk where the black hood is now- just to make something more period, toylike and unique. Not sure yet.

The big find was the searchlight car. After visiting the entire show with no luck, I found three at the last two tables. This was the best and for some reason the least expensive of the three- about 1/2 the price of a typical piece in worse shape on Ebay. The paint is perfect and the rubber stamped lettering is intact and clear on both sides. All parts accounted for.

After a bit of internal debate, I decided to polish up the brass (as well as the couplers). I used Goddards cleaner for copper and brass and my fingers mostly. In the first photo I have cleaned one ring only. The rest of the photos and video show the car after polishing. I am happy- the idea is to add more light and sparkle to the layout.

The short video has a little Fats Waller sound track.

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Hey Will

I was at Renningers as well. We'll have to meet one of these times. I think you made the right decision cleaning up the spotlights on the 820!

Jim Waterman

When I finally get around to building my new layout it will have both O Gauge and Standard Gauge track.  My goal is to have as much tinplate on the layout as possible.  I already have tinplate buildings and other accessories.  I have been working on gathering tinplate vehicles.  I have found a number of vehicles by Paya that should work quite well with the Standard Gauge trains.

The hunt continues.

Northwoods Flyer

When I finally get around to building my new layout it will have both O Gauge and Standard Gauge track.  My goal is to have as much tinplate on the layout as possible.  I already have tinplate buildings and other accessories.  I have been working on gathering tinplate vehicles.  I have found a number of vehicles by Paya that should work quite well with the Standard Gauge trains.

The hunt continues.

Northwoods Flyer

I have a few of these types. Perfect toy look for a STD Gauge display.



Steve

The Strange Case of the Unfinished JEP Railroad Empire

  About 6 months ago I did a buy-it-now on e-bay and became the latest curator of a boxed JEP train set from the late 1920’s/early 1930’s.

  The pictures of the set indicated it was in excellent condition and, as near as I and the seller could tell everything was intact save the set box which was missing one end.  As soon as the train arrived, I made it a point to manufacture and install a new box end.

  At the time things were a bit hectic on the home front so the train hobby and this set in particular had to be put aside while more pressing issues were addressed.  As usually happens, the home front eventually got back to normal and a few weeks ago I finally took the JEP set out to really look it over…and that’s when things really started to get interesting

  Let’s start with the set box.

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As you can see, from the box sides its original color was rose colored.  As you can also see, at sometime in the past the set was stored where it was exposed to sun and the top color faded…but that top has some tales to tell.  The top is crisscrossed with rose colored lines and it has a rectangular rose-colored patch on the left side.  Two things are obvious – something sat on the left side of the box and blocked the sun’s efforts with respect to fading and someone at some point tied the box together with twine hence the lines and the shadow of the twine bow tie on the right side.

  Lifting the lid we find three sheets glued to the underside – one a series of JEP instructions, one instructions for the #5470 locomotive and one with a series of track plans.

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Because of what follows it is worth taking a closer look at the track diagram – the key point is the count of straight and curved track  – a maximum count of 8 curved and 6 straight – the translation indicates these are some of the patterns you can make with the track in this set.

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  As I noted, after repairing the end of the box I put it aside so, except for a quick examination of the major components of the set (engine, two cars, rheostat) I left things like the track wrapped until later.

  The set came with an additional pair of boxed manual switches and a boxed 90-degree crossover.  Their boxes had been carefully crushed so that they would hold the switches and the crossover and also sit on top of the set under the lid and not interfere with anything.

  When I got all of the track out and sorted, I found I had a lot more than 6 straight and only 5 curved tracks.  I also noted one section of the box had more room than was needed for what curved track there was or would have been.

  JEP made it a point to have tie-downs for everything in their set boxes and a close examination of the “roomy” storage section indicated tie-downs for what had to be missing components – more on this in a bit.

   The last item in the box was a manila envelope with some papers.  I just assumed they were more JEP instructions but when I pulled them out, I found something quite different – a torn and taped piece of writing paper with a letter head and three pieces of paper with track diagrams.

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The letterhead is for a Doctor A. D---- with a street address of 109 Cours Emile Zola in Lyon, France.

The three pieces of paper all have the same basic track plan and the crayon writing and diagrams would suggest the dreams of empire of a very young man.  The track is color coded and the sections labeled with the letters “C” and “D” most likely short for  “courbe” and “droit” – curved and straight.  In addition, the switches are labeled with red and green crayon…and when we look at the switches and there respective boxes we find

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Hand color coding on the boxes to match the color of the flags on the switches.

  But there’s more. One thing I noticed immediately was the careful attention to track detail for all of the track above the 90-degree crossing and, at best, just a vague suggestion of track details below the crossing. I though this lack of precision in what amounted to a young man’s detailed civil engineering plan to be curious to say the least.

  So, with my predecessors’ instructions firmly in hand, I set about to rebuild the empire.  I knew there would be a problem with curved track but that was a detail I figured I could just ignore.  You can imagine my surprise when I discovered the detailed plan was indeed the layout!

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  In other words, it looks like trackage below the 90-degree crossing was a work in progress which was never completed.  (Ignore the two stations – they are my addition to the empire – everything else was in the box)

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The keen eyed amongst you will no doubt have noted the outer route between the switches is not JEP track – it’s Lionel.  There is enough straight JEP track to take the place of the Lionel straight – the issue is the need for 5 more pieces of JEP banked curve.  The reason I didn’t mix the JEP and the Lionel track is the pins on the JEP track are just a little too big to insert into the Lionel track.

  Since there had to have been at least 8 curved in the original set it is obvious some of it went missing – most likely when the set box was damaged.

  The other thing that is almost certainly missing is a 4-wheel JEP postal car.  My JEP reference for the 1929/1930 period indicates sets with the #5470 were three car sets – the good news is I recently found a correct replacement and it is on its way. One can only assume this too was a casualty of the set box damage.

…and one last thing.

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The three pieces of paper with the track diagrams are actually tickets to a charity sale at the church of St. Madeleine.  A check of Google maps indicates the church is in the neighborhood of 109 Emile Zola…and this is where speculation can run rampant and questions come fast and furious.

   Are the charity tickets and the set connected?  Was the set perhaps something that was bought at the charity sale or is this just a case of a random assembly of a train set and some paper for a child to map out his dreams?  What were the circumstances that appear to have led to a situation of no track below 90 degrees? …and on and on. 1930 was a long time ago and I’m sure I’ll never know.

   What I do know is I am going on the hunt for at least 5 more pieces of the correct JEP curved track to complete the young man’s vision and I’m going to build the planned Paris extension (the main station is obviously Lyon – Paris is that station in the background) above the 90-degree crossing using Lionel curved track (the JEP and the Lionel 0-31 are a very close match).  I won’t try to run the high voltage engine but I have any number of other trains I’m sure would be interested in making a high speed run between Lyon and Paris.

P.S.  In case you were wondering - here's the Google street view of 109 Emile Zola

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Last edited by Robert S. Butler

When I finally get around to building my new layout it will have both O Gauge and Standard Gauge track.  My goal is to have as much tinplate on the layout as possible.  I already have tinplate buildings and other accessories.  I have been working on gathering tinplate vehicles.  I have found a number of vehicles by Paya that should work quite well with the Standard Gauge trains.

The hunt continues.

Northwoods Flyer

OMG, love them. And the painted backdrops too. Can you give us the dope on those?

Hello Robert,

I must recognized that I am impressed by your latest find of this JEP set.  A very nice quality piece and with a "little story" is always a great pleasure for us.

It may be dated, the set box is the second type and not the most common, this is a 1926-27 one. The later ones which are less rare are light green. All is perfectly period, except you are right for the post car and (or) a baggage one from the same period is missing, all combinations are legit. The set was sold with eight curves and four straights, if you need additional tracks I can gave you a bunch of original ones but shipping, to US is expensive....

The switches have been added certainly at the same time, the red and green colors on the levers are specific of JEP models.

So this set has certainly been a gift to a young boy maybe who hes lost interested by it as being offered to a charity sale just some four years later is very short in my opinion; maybe the second owner has plans for a layout...it will be impossible to know more of the history of that beautiful piece, near a hundred years ago is a very long time..... The charity sales where a common thing in those time and they still exist in the same church of La Madeleine which is one of the most beautiful church in Paris and the address of 109 Emile Zola street has also seen many changes.

For me running the set is not a problem, even with the rheostat, just have to check if all connections are in good condition but a classic Lionel ZW is enough powerful to run it, no at high speed but it will do the job perfectly. You will have to put a 6 volts lamp on the loco and all will be right, original ones where 5.5 volts and are impossible to find but there is no difference using 6v.

Many thanks for reviving a "little" history of toy trains,

All my best wishes, Daniel

A period JEP station and two cars matching your set.

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@Will posted:

OMG, love them. And the painted backdrops too. Can you give us the dope on those?

Hi Will,

I'm glad you like them.  The backdrop is a nifty little accessory that Gilbert American Flyer made for their S-gauge line. It is the #790 Trainorama that appeared in 1953.

It has 6 large pieces that all fit in the large envelope and can be assembled in a number of ways.

  Its been shuffled around for a few years in storage so I decided to take it out and see how it looked as a backdrop for photos.

I think it works pretty well.

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

Wow Greg, the "Train a Rama" backdrops are really cool.  I had seen those in a reference book but never in color and your pictures are just great.  Daniel...what a neat JEP station.  Robert S. Butler what a fabulous story.  Beautiful set as well, thanks for posting.

My offering today is NOT tinplate (although the trucks and wheels are) so I hope I don't offend anyone.  But it is a Toy Train from Louis Marx and Co.  It is the large Santa Fe caboose #4427, a deluxe car (Marx collector nomenclature which identifies cars with additional features) that was available in 1952-1954.  This one however is the much more scarce version that is tuscan or russet in color with white lettering.  The far more common version is bright red with black lettering.  This was a long hunt for me and I just connected with one of the proper color last week on e-bay.  

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Here is a close up of the platform area showing the added rail and ladder.  This is some of the additional detail that makes this car a "deluxe" offering form Marx.  It is also somewhat larger than the normal Marx caboose.

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Happy Monday

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My goodness this is a great page with some lovely tin! The JeP station, Trainorama backdrops, JeP set, Ernst and Plank. Awesome finds, gentleman!

and @Don McErlean, nice Marx Deluxe ATSF! Thank you for giving me the gumption to post my own sentimental Marx find- courtesy of my mom. Recently, she found a cardboard box in storage, with marker on it to make it look like a station, was made by some young toddler in the early 90s ha. Better than the box/station was the contents, nothing special, to most, but to me very much so, the trains id play with in the corner of my mom’s classroom(couldn’t afford a babysitter at that time) - which just so happen to be Marx plastic with deluxe trucks- although these have the knuckle couplers. PC tender, B&O box car, PRR Gondola, Edie log dump car, PC Caboose

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I also have a set of 4 wheel plastic cars, which I like even more.

And here are some more recent tin buys of mine:

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last but not least- this little Märklin freight wagon. Pre-WW1. When I saw it I actually recognized it from a book that I have. Missing the couplers, but intentionally made without buffers. Paint is actually in good shape all things considered89F24795-4564-4E43-98BB-FA0A7E722100

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StevefromPA: Thanks for posting your Marx set, would likely have come with a #400 or #490 plastic engine. Having the "Marx" logs for the Erie flat is a real find, bravo to your Mom for saving them.  The Ives litho "transition" cars are cool, I have the same cars but the Lionel ones, not as rare, as the Ives cars were only made one year I believe.  The stock car never made it to the Lionel lineup, good luck with finding one of those they are quite scarce. The Marklin car is really unusual.  By the way, love your layout...who made the switch tower?

Best wishes

Don

We Was Framed!

  Awhile back I purchased at auction two New Marx production test bodies made from scrap CP passenger car stock.  One had been stamped with the lithography on the outside and the other with the lithography on the inside.

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    I wanted to mount the bodies on the appropriate car frames complete with trucks and couplers and add them to my tinplate rolling stock roster.

  Several years ago at York I had purchased a New Marx frame complete with trucks and couplers.  I didn't have any use for it at the time but I bought it thinking it would come in handy someday....well, someday arrived and I combined the frame and Car Body #1 with the following results.

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  ....that left Car Body #2.

  I wasn't in any rush and I figured I would eventually find a frame and trucks to go with it too.  As luck would have it about a week or two ago a seller was offering New Marx cars for sale. Several of them were the fanciful Christmas themed flat cars with tin soldiers, packages, etc. mounted on flat cars. 

  Way back in the early 20th Century Issmayer made convertible cars with removable car bodies.  Their main offering was a passenger car with a detachable passenger car body.  When you took the body off you had a gondola and an instant freight train.  As I was looking over the New Marx Christmas cars I realized I could make an updated version of the Issmayer cars using one of the Christmas flats so I put in a bid on one and was successful.

  The end result

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  which converts into a boxcar loaded with Christmas presents.

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  Even more delightful is the fact that I don't have to do anything to the body or the flat car.  The boxcar body stamping was a tool test item and it is just ever-so-slightly wider than it should be. All I have to do is lightly press on the car sides so the body tabs line up with the holes in the flat car and set the body on the frame - the friction fit keeps everything together.

   

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@Don McErlean thank you for the compliment regarding my layout! Your kind words mean a lot, thank you truly.

Regarding the switch tower- that’s actually a 18v Bing Transformer from 1925 or 1928 hence the lever on the right. ALso- nice prediction regarding the 490! That engine was kept in a box with my dad’s engines, which were kept separate from the rolling stock.  Sorry for the late response, I was was waiting for arelated type of accessory arrives but it’s caught up in the mail.

Speaking of Marx, since I had them out, I took this picture- The 4 wheel plastic cars of which I spoke. Unsure if it’s a set, and if it was a set, I’m also unsure if one of these switchers was the motive power(also- there’s my- I mean the toddler’s- station in the background)

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Despite the plastic pics recently, I really love Marx’s 3/16 with the stamped black and silver low profile trucks. Hoping to pick up a 999, 666, or 333 steamer are an upcoming train show(suggestions welcomed!) anyway, got this Marx 3/16 Box car in the mail earlier this week. Look closely at the “station” to the right of the car to see a smiling face with a conductor’s hat!

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The Marklin car might look odd due to its age- one source says production from 1900-1914, and the book from which I recognized it has it at the back of Passenger consist from 1902.

Speaking of Marklin, Received this more “recent” red Marklin 2nd class coach #18610 in the mail midweek. I believe it’s prewar. “Germany” in black in bottom right corner and “Marklin” in yellow at the top on each side as you can see

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Also bought these from the same person

I believe this wind-up is postwar Bub. Stated to be German made for the Dutch market.

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And lastly a small postwar Brimtoy freight car. While I have a Brimtoy station, this is my first Brimtoy train. 1BAE18D3-4C4D-4F7E-8A99-50F3CF08FF54

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@MattR awesome buy! Look at that tin shine! And that 225E looks to be in fantastic shape! Any idea if the set originally came with two of the 2700(I believe) gondolas?

The rolling stock, since it has postwar trucks, would be great to use with a modern steamer, too. And since there’s two of the same gondolas, you could make a nice transition car to connect with prewar rolling stock with prewaaf couplers. My transition car is a beat up prewar  2654 Shell tanker that has a pOstwar staple end knuckle coupler truck on one end and a late prewar truck w/ black journals & box coupler on the other end. It was that way when I received it. I had to get the first coil knuckle-coupler replaced as the shoe caused the coupler to uncouple. Regardless, the combo of the late prewar box coupler with early postwar knuckle-coupler,!, IMO, trucks don’t look mismatched.

Regardless, congrats on the pick-up! Enjoy!

@scott.smith that is really something, man! What a great idea and they look great! I admire anyone who can make decent sky scrapers in general, making tinplate skyscrapers that can fit in with prewar trains and accessories takes it up a notch! Great work!

@Robert S. Butler Love those modern Marx boxcars! To be honest, prior to reading your post and having looked at the pictures, I didn’t even notice that the CP car’s lithography was applied incorrectly! It just thought it was a CP Box car as the tones of the colors are so dark and Marx lithography is so fanciful- just thought it was a normal Modern Marx Box car. Sometimes I’ll show family members a frame, body or “junker” I bought and they look at it funny until I explain the possible uses for it. It’s great when you can take advantage of trains, parts, etc... acquired over time and “turn garbAge into gold”(obviously I’m not calling the bodies, the Christmas car or the frames garbAge!). Your modern adaptation of the Issmayer concept is even better. Also reminds me of the HWN “2 in 1” Passenger/freight train with removable and interchangeable  bodies with lithographed frames(IE remove the Santa Fe body to reveal a litho log car frame). Great studf!

@StevefromPA posted:

@MattR awesome buy! Look at that tin shine! And that 225E looks to be in fantastic shape! Any idea if the set originally came with two of the 2700(I believe) gondolas?

The rolling stock, since it has postwar trucks, would be great to use with a modern steamer, too. And since there’s two of the same gondolas, you could make a nice transition car to connect with prewar rolling stock with prewaaf couplers. My transition car is a beat up prewar  2654 Shell tanker that has a pOstwar staple end knuckle coupler truck on one end and a late prewar truck w/ black journals & box coupler on the other end. It was that way when I received it. I had to get the first coil knuckle-coupler replaced as the shoe caused the coupler to uncouple. Regardless, the combo of the late prewar box coupler with early postwar knuckle-coupler,!, IMO, trucks don’t look mismatched.

Regardless, congrats on the pick-up! Enjoy!

Thank you. Yes it is in really nice condition. It looks as though the set number was 269 w. It is an original set and it did originally come with the 165 crane as well. Which I have along with the original little metal scrap load material. I'm a post where guy, so the post-war trucks were a little bit of a selling point for me as well. Thanks again

StevefromPa: Great Marx plastic.  I did some research based on the picture you posted.  It does not look like you had or have a complete set.  The closest I could come was Set #7985 Diesel Freight Set..It included:

a) 588 NYC GE 70-ton switcher in black plastic with light / reverse

b) NYC brown caboose

c) 2532 CSOX tank car - green

All of these are in your picture and the "brown" caboose is more scarce than the red variation, so that leans me towards the fact that this could be set components...your group is missing 1) Crane Car - NYC grey and black 2) Hopper 2913 LV, black and 3) Gondola 347100, PRR, grey.  I would note that none of these 3 cars is particularly scarce and could easily be found.  The set also included 6 telephone poles, a 1239 transformer, and 16 pieces of 0-27 track and a crossover.  The LV switcher also did head up a set, called "The Meteor" but it came with different cars and a LV caboose. The set and was battery powered.  The regular powered 112 LV switcher led set # 2515 with a 3280 SF box car, 75100 green NYC gondola and the LV caboose.  Given most of these cars differ from those you showed, I felt did have a partial set, it was likely the NYC as most of the cars you showed matched.

By the way, if it is not a set do not be concerned. Marx, unlike Lionel or American Flyer, did not rely as much on sets...almost anything in Marx was available for separate sale and you could pick the contents yourself from the shelves at Woolworth or Grants or other 5& dime stores.  They even sold the tenders for their steam locomotives as separate sale items and you could pick the one you liked.  Additionally, it is well known that even with sets, most dealers would substitute a car if you wanted a different one from the one the factory packed.  Unique consists of Marx "sets" show up all the time.

The rest of your post is also really cool.  I have a few Brimtoy freights including a tank car and a flat but no cattle/box cars so I am still looking for one of those.  I really liked the BB electric, I am on the hunt for one of these from Hornby as it was their principal postwar electric engine but so far all the examples I have seen for sale are out of my price range.

Thanks for posting your plastic Marx...it makes me feel less guilty when I post mine !!!

Regards

Don

@Don McErlean  found a couple of BB's on ePay France at good prices .. might pay you to contact seller ... I have never bought from him or dealt with him on any level  , but he has a couple for Buy it Now 45 and 50 euro !

Cant hurt to message him ?

Quite a few if you search in France rather than UK

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(Sorry if this violates any terms Don doesnt have an email in his profile lol )

Fatman:  Thank you for the French E-bay idea, never realized that such an opportunity existed.  I am trying it already.

Thanks again

Don

Hello Don,

Take care, the roof on the first one is not original, the top center part is not good. And the second one is just a little better... They are very common models to find in France and not expensive at all, just have to take some time to find a really good one in the 50 euros range.

The major problem is postage which is near the same price as the loco...

Very best, Daniel

I picked up this American Flyer UP streamliner set today locally. The e-unit operates smoothly and just a little cleaning needs to be done before it goes on the track. I believe it is from 1938 due to the lighter yellow, green window shades on the coach\observation cars, and the black XIIId style trucks. The third picture is of my 1936 power unit to show the color difference. I am a bit confused though, shouldn't it have at least one more 1636 coach? The stack on top has some crazing but is solid. You can see the screw hole used to mount the whistle assembly on earlier models below the porthole windows on the power unit.



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Just came this week...

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I have one of the Mazda lamp cars. Should have bought 2.

Great Cars!

Joe Gozzo

@Jon Edwards posted:

I picked up this American Flyer UP streamliner set today locally. The e-unit operates smoothly and just a little cleaning needs to be done before it goes on the track. I believe it is from 1938 due to the lighter yellow, green window shades on the coach\observation cars, and the black XIIId style trucks. The third picture is of my 1936 power unit to show the color difference. I am a bit confused though, shouldn't it have at least one more 1636 coach? The stack on top has some crazing but is solid. You can see the screw hole used to mount the whistle assembly on earlier models below the porthole windows on the power unit.



Great Looking Streamliner Jon!

Joe Gozzo

@Jon Edwards posted:

I picked up this American Flyer UP streamliner set today locally. The e-unit operates smoothly and just a little cleaning needs to be done before it goes on the track. I believe it is from 1938 due to the lighter yellow, green window shades on the coach\observation cars, and the black XIIId style trucks. The third picture is of my 1936 power unit to show the color difference. I am a bit confused though, shouldn't it have at least one more 1636 coach? The stack on top has some crazing but is solid. You can see the screw hole used to mount the whistle assembly on earlier models below the porthole windows on the power unit.



Jon,

The late Union Pacific set should have 2 additional coaches.  Also the hole in the side of the motor shell is for a weight, not a whistle.  The whistles were mounted in the first coach of the 1936 set only, with no other sets featuring a whistle. 

NWL

Jon,

The late Union Pacific set should have 2 additional coaches.  Also the hole in the side of the motor shell is for a weight, not a whistle.  The whistles were mounted in the first coach of the 1936 set only, with no other sets featuring a whistle.

NWL

Whoops, sorry, I was thinking of the Lionel 636w city of Denver which has the whistle in the power unit. I knew it was missing a coach, I guess I'll be keeping an eye out for two .

      Jon

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