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I have run into a different problem with Cab 1L. I built a consist, "lash-up" and the consist operated as it should except the lighting on the engines. I would have more than one engines headlight on in the forward direction. When the consist was reversed the rearmost engines headlight would not be lighted. When I removed Cab 1L and put TMCC Cab 1 all worked as it should. Has anyone else had this problem? Any solutions?

Ray

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Yes I made the build with the Cab 1L, I tried doing the consist with the engines in different directions, the lights would not work correctly in any of the combinations. As I stated I did another consist using the same engines but this time with TMCC Cab 1 and it all worked correctly. 
 
Originally Posted by Moonman:

When you first connected the Cab 1L did you assign engine id's with that unit?

 

Then, pages 18-20 (Cab 1L manual) gives the build process. p.20 notes the DIR command to be entered to set the facing orientation when entering the TR build sequence.

 

Just a Legacy newb offering the obvious.

 

Nicole,
Yes, I did address the last engine as the last or rear in the consist. I did the same addressing of the engines with the TMCC and lights worked as they should..I had engines in the middle of the consist with lights on with the Cab 1L. Looking at posts on other Cab 1L threads I am wondering if it might not also be the output voltage on the wall wart.
Ray
 
Originally Posted by N.Q.D.Y.:

I've just been reading through the CAB-1L manual, and the only thing that I can think of is to ask if you set the last engine in the consist as such by using the 'R' button. (See page 19 in the manual.) Without this, it would be treated as a 'middle' engine and have no lights.

 

John & Nicole,

I have been communicating with Lionel about the problems with the Cab 1L. I got the fix for the flickering headlight, that was the 8v. wallpack. Speaking with customer service this morning I was told the problem with the consist building is also related to the tuning of the frequency, they told me that this is a problem they have seen before. 

The service will not take any repairs until Aug. 1 until set up in the new facility.

Ray

Lionel has been great as far as repairing the Legacy equipment that I have had problems with. I can do everything else with the Cab 1L, the consist problem I can live with for  now, actually I still have my Cab 1 and can run with that. It does the lashups the way they should work. I have other club members with the same problems with their Cab 1L, I am putting this out there for people on this forum who may have the same issue, to let them know Lionel is working on this also. I am an American Flyer guy but must say Lionel has been good in backing their products, it is great to have this system available for S gauge.

Ray

There is no frequency tuning on the Base1-L or Cab1-L; I know - I designed the system.

 

Relative to the lash-up consisting failure, please detail the exact button presses you are using that fail to operate as expected.  Also the engine details - Legacy, TMCC, the 6-number if you have it - would help.  Trains above 9 act differently, and trains below 9 require 2 digit addressing.  I would like to duplicate your results here and understand what is happening.  Either email the info to me or post here.

 

Thanks!

 

 

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Hello Jon,
 
 
I have built  consists with Cab 1L using Legacy locomotives, 6-48070, 6-48084, and 6-48166, and all worked as it should.
 
The problem that I have had is with TMCC engines using the Electric Railroad driver boards. The driver boards that I am using are the Mini Commander-2 
 
 I also do have TMCC Command control and when using the TMCC with these same engines,  with the ERR driver boards, it all works as it should.
 
 
I am using Lionel 180 watt Powerhouses[6-22983] and Legacy Powermasters    [6-37146: to power track
 I will:
press TR
press  1
turn up throttle
 
 
To build a consist with Cab 1L ;
 
press TR
press  09 for the train number
press  04 for the lead engine
press  F  for the front engine of the consist
press and release set  : at this point there is no reaction from the engine, no horn, no flashing headlight. 
 
next engine
press TR  
press  09
press  55
press and release set : horn sounds headlight flashes
 
next engine  {this engine has no sound board}
press  TR
press  09
press  07
press and release set : headlight flashes
 
next engine  { this engine has no sound board and will be reversed}
press  TR
press  09
press  28
press  direction button
press and release set  :  headlight flashes
 
Now  I attempt to operate the consist:
press  TR
press   09
turn up throttle : at this time engines 55, 07, and 28 operate as a consist, engine 04 remains static, 
engine 55, 07, and 28 headlights all off, when reversed all headlights off.
 
If I build this train without designating one of the engines as F but do designate one as R the headlight on the front engine will not light, the rear  light on the rear engine will light  when consist is reversed.
 
Please do contact me if you need further information on this.
Ray
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Originally Posted by SantaFeFan:

There is no frequency tuning on the Base1-L or Cab1-L; I know - I designed the system.

 

Relative to the lash-up consisting failure, please detail the exact button presses you are using that fail to operate as expected.  Also the engine details - Legacy, TMCC, the 6-number if you have it - would help.  Trains above 9 act differently, and trains below 9 require 2 digit addressing.  I would like to duplicate your results here and understand what is happening.  Either email the info to me or post here.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

Jon,
I tried some additional engines in this consist, I added an engine with an 
AC Commander and programmed as the front engine, it accepted the command as the F engine, I also tried adding an engine with a Cruise Commander as the F engine, it also accepted the command, both of these had headlight lit in forward direction. Looks as though the problem lays with engines equipped with Mini Commander 2 driver board.
Ray
 
 
Originally Posted by SantaFeFan:

Thank you. I will investigate and respond when I have an answer. 

 

 

Ray,

 

I was able to duplicate the issue here.  It seems that because the Cab1-L is sending out extra commands for sound system control that are for legacy locos, the Mini Commander 2 software is unable to process the TRain assignment.  I will investigate the Mini Commander 2 code, but that of course does not help your setup.  Sorry.

 

I am not sure when I can implement a fix, but it may take a while due to my schedule.   In general, the Mini Commander 2 is designed for small vehicle control and small locos.  Lash-up considerations for this sort of application are quite minimal.  Basically, I consider this concern a low priority.

 

I do appreciate you posting the failure case, and ElectricRR will make it right for you in this application by either a refund or comparable compliant product.

 

 

Last edited by SantaFeFan

Jon,

I appreciate your concern and quick investigation with this lash-up problem. I also do understand scheduling can be a hassle and will patiently wait to see what the fix may be. I have always been extremely happy with ERR, the fact that I can run my trains with a wireless remote makes this hobby so much more fun than it had ever been before. I know that is not only me but other club members that have gone with TMCC/Legacy enjoy their trains more also. The enjoyment we get from being able to go anywhere around the layout and control the trains great. We can watch operations on the layout from perspectives we had never seen before. 

The Mini Commander-2 makes it possible for us to have this kind of control even in small S gauge locomotives like the Baldwin and with enough room for sound.

Keep up the great job you guys do.

Thank you Jon

Ray

Jon,
 
Ray installed Mini Commander 2 boards in a couple of my American Models locomotives.  I tested the lash up with my Cab 1-L base and the (F)Front & (R)Rear command would not take in lash ups, also.  But when using a Cab 1-L remote or 990 remote with the 990 base, the front and back commands would work in lash up, on the 990 base.  I thought I would pass this info along to you for your information.
 
Regards,
Fred.
 
 
Originally Posted by SantaFeFan:

Ray,

 

I was able to duplicate the issue here.  It seems that because the Cab1-L is sending out extra commands for sound system control that are for legacy locos, the Mini Commander 2 software is unable to process the TRain assignment.  I will investigate the Mini Commander 2 code, but that of course does not help your setup.  Sorry.

 

I am not sure when I can implement a fix, but it may take a while due to my schedule.   In general, the Mini Commander 2 is designed for small vehicle control and small locos.  Lash-up considerations for this sort of application are quite minimal.  Basically, I consider this concern a low priority.

 

I do appreciate you posting the failure case, and ElectricRR will make it right for you in this application by either a refund or comparable compliant product.

 

 

 

Jon,
I have been conversing back and forth with Ken at ERR, I was wondering about the size of the Cruise Commander Lite to find if it would fit into the locomotives that I have with the Mini 2 boards. It looks like they will fit into everything except a couple of American Models GP 35's that I have. As I want to keep these two GP's in Command Control I tried some reprogramming of the lash ups using these engines as front and rear end engines in the lash up and found that if both the front engine and the rear engines were programmed with the R and the appropriate direction set for each engine the front and rear engines lights worked as they should. I am going to  give you a list of the engines I used and the commands as I programmed the lash up. The lead engine is the only engine that needed to be programmed in a different manner than is instructed the Cab 1L manual. All of these engines have the Mini 2 boards installed.
 
The engine numbers, 55 which will be lead engine facing forward, 07 facing forward, and 28 facing forward.
 
TR 08
55
R
Direction
Set
ENG
55
Direction
TR
08
07
Set
TR
08
28
R
Set
 
Programming in this manner solved the problem that I had encountered with the lighting, it is a bit more involved but I feel worth the effort and it keeps the Mini 2 as an option for us folks in S gauge. If power to the layout is lost or shut down, after the power is restored and before the lash up is addressed the front engine, in my case 55, will have to be addressed once more and its direction changed or when the lash up is addressed the front engine will start in the opposite direction.
 
Thank you for the attention you have given this matter and I hope this might help others.
 
Ray
 
 
Originally Posted by SantaFeFan:

Ray,

 

I was able to duplicate the issue here.  It seems that because the Cab1-L is sending out extra commands for sound system control that are for legacy locos, the Mini Commander 2 software is unable to process the TRain assignment.  I will investigate the Mini Commander 2 code, but that of course does not help your setup.  Sorry.

 

I am not sure when I can implement a fix, but it may take a while due to my schedule.   In general, the Mini Commander 2 is designed for small vehicle control and small locos.  Lash-up considerations for this sort of application are quite minimal.  Basically, I consider this concern a low priority.

 

I do appreciate you posting the failure case, and ElectricRR will make it right for you in this application by either a refund or comparable compliant product.

 

 

 

Last edited by Rayin"S"
Originally Posted by Rayin"S":
Jon,
I have been conversing back and forth with Ken at ERR, I was wondering about the size of the Cruise Commander Lite to find if it would fit into the locomotives that I have with the Mini 2 boards. It looks like they will fit into everything except a couple of American Models GP 35's that I have. As I want to keep these two GP's in Command Control I tried some reprogramming of the lash ups using these engines as front and rear end engines in the lash up and found that if both the front engine and the rear engines were programmed with the R and the appropriate direction set for each engine the front and rear engines lights worked as they should. I am going to  give you a list of the engines I used and the commands as I programmed the lash up. The lead engine is the only engine that needed to be programmed in a different manner than is instructed the Cab 1L manual. All of these engines have the Mini 2 boards installed.
 
The engine numbers, 55 which will be lead engine facing forward, 07 facing forward, and 28 facing forward.
 
TR 08
55
R
Direction
Set
ENG
55
Direction
TR
08
07
Set
TR
08
28
R
Set
 
Programming in this manner solved the problem that I had encountered with the lighting, it is a bit more involved but I feel worth the effort and it keeps the Mini 2 as an option for us folks in S gauge. If power to the layout is lost or shut down, after the power is restored and before the lash up is addressed the front engine, in my case 55, will have to be addressed once more and its direction changed or when the lash up is addressed the front engine will start in the opposite direction.
 
Thank you for the attention you have given this matter and I hope this might help others.
 
Ray
 
I did not mention in this post but although the lights now work the horn & bell are not operable but the diesel sounds do work. To sound horn or bell I must address engine 55.
 
Originally Posted by SantaFeFan:

Ray,

 

I was able to duplicate the issue here.  It seems that because the Cab1-L is sending out extra commands for sound system control that are for legacy locos, the Mini Commander 2 software is unable to process the TRain assignment.  I will investigate the Mini Commander 2 code, but that of course does not help your setup.  Sorry.

 

I am not sure when I can implement a fix, but it may take a while due to my schedule.   In general, the Mini Commander 2 is designed for small vehicle control and small locos.  Lash-up considerations for this sort of application are quite minimal.  Basically, I consider this concern a low priority.

 

I do appreciate you posting the failure case, and ElectricRR will make it right for you in this application by either a refund or comparable compliant product.

 

 

 

 

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