Lionel 2022 Volume 1 is up! Whatcha Getting?

@RickO posted:

Hah! Not this one though. The dealer that goes and grabs some Menards beta locos and puts them up on the big auction site for double.   ( maybe they'll sneak in a $50 shipping charge on the cab 3)

No thanks. I'd rather pay MSRP at Ro, Trainworld, or Muffins.

That's why I like Marios.

Guaranteed free shipping and no tax outside of their state.

Yea yea.. I know it's up to the buyer to pay the tax. How many times have I heard that one on this forum.

I'll be sure to do that because my wife is a CPA.

Whatever... Catch me if you can. 😄

I have ordered the TA&G 2-8-4 but will be surprised if it gets enough pre-orders to make with Chattanooga being the biggest city the TAG served. I am thinking this engine would look great with a train of the MOW wood passenger cars,but those prices will keep me from pre-ordering them.

I have ordered the S-2 set, an extra vista dome for my Santa Fe set and Base 3. All from Mario’s.

I was glad to see they had some Aberdeen, Carolina and Western finally.  Albeit they aren't the SD-40-3's I was hoping for.  It would have also have been nice, instead of offering the plain jane passenger cars, if they offered the canopy and patio cars that ACW has.

Sadly, I could cough up these things before I could afford to buy anything from this catalog.

Anthony

Cab3, Aberdeen Carolina & Western locomotive and passenger cars, Santa Fe Doodlebug

When Dave & Ryan did a video with Trainworld they mentioned that they may be offering some of the other cars for the Aberdeen Carolina & Western train.  I think they had enough lead time to use existing tooling for the cars they are offering this time around and probably needed more lead time for the other more rare canopy and patio cars.  My guess is that set will be so successful this time around they will offer the other cars later, knowing they will be a big hit.

@RickO posted:

Hah! Not this one though. The dealer that goes and grabs some Menards beta locos and puts them up on the big auction site for double.   ( maybe they'll sneak in a $50 shipping charge on the cab 3)

No thanks. I'd rather pay MSRP at Ro, Trainworld, or Muffins.

I've dealt with Nassau Hobbies for years (and years) - along with Ro, et. al.  Never had an issue with the owners of Nassau; never had a problem with the product from Nassau.

I know nothing about your references -- but I assume, for your sake, that you can verify.

@rthomps posted:

I know nothing about your references -- but I assume, for your sake, that you can verify.

Links to ebay sales are not allowed. Your welcome to search the Menards f 3.

You'll find a vendor from Freeport NY selling them for $350 plus shipping.

Click on "visit the store" and viola, Nassau Hobby....but what do I know?

@RickO posted:

Links to ebay sales are not allowed. Your welcome to search the Menards f 3.

You'll find a vendor from Freeport NY selling them for $350 plus shipping.

Click on "visit the store" and Viola Nassau Hobby....but what do I know?

It's not my problem - it's yours.  I have nothing in this except that Nassau has been a good shop to deal with.

And, who the heck is "Viola"?

I hope we can keep this thread going and open.  Let's not go down the rabbit hole.

I wonder when the next Lionmaster LC+ 2.0 offering will come? I think I'm ready for a Challenger to go with my LC+ 2.0 Lionmaster Big Boy. Maybe volume 2?.......

Brad

@rthomps posted:

It's not my problem - it's yours.  I have nothing in this except that Nassau has been a good shop to deal with.

And, who the heck is "Viola"?

It's not my problem, it's theirs.

As far as "viola" ....well.  If you don't know.. That's your problem.

OK OK, enough griping about dealers, right or wrong. Back to the original topic please.

Par for the course for me...I'm not a Legacy guy so a few of the new Lion Chief Plus 2.0 items...

One of the Anniversary Amtrak Genesis locos (The Midnight Blue livery #100) and the Ma & Pa Doodlebug.

Contemplating a few more things.

@Will Ebbert posted:

OK OK, enough griping about dealers, right or wrong. Back to the original topic please.

I did preorder one of the NYC 0-6-0s. Mth has some great tooling. Legacy equipped Mth locomotives, finally!

Play nice guys ... or "viola" ... topic closed and "poof".

I was looking at the coal hopper cars(GLA's) and saw these weren't diecast cars as past runs. I don't remember if the prior offerings of the GLA hoppers have been all diecast(in recent years), but I do know if they were, I ordered them. I'll have to look further at this as I may not order them just because of that. After all, who wants light cars(yeah, I know you can add weight to them) being pulled behind a beast like the Class A?

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

I was looking at the coal hopper cars(GLA's) and saw these weren't diecast cars as past runs. I don't remember if the prior offerings of the GLA hoppers have been all diecast(in recent years), but I do know if they were, I ordered them. I'll have to look further at this as I may not order them just because of that. After all, who wants light cars(yeah, I know you can add weight to them) being pulled behind a beast like the Class A?

The GLA cars have only been done in plastic. The coal load is removable so I just put rocks in mine to add weight.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

I was looking at the coal hopper cars(GLA's) and saw these weren't diecast cars as past runs. I don't remember if the prior offerings of the GLA hoppers have been all diecast(in recent years), but I do know if they were, I ordered them. I'll have to look further at this as I may not order them just because of that. After all, who wants light cars(yeah, I know you can add weight to them) being pulled behind a beast like the Class A?

Dave, you might be thinking of the die-cast offset hoppers. They are some of the finest scale rolling stock Lionel has ever made.

I stalked the internet for a cabbage unit all last year. It took a bit of strength to ignore one I saw on eBay earlier this week. I let it go because I reserved the Lionel Downeaster variant last week! My plan was to find the original cabbage and have it custom painted. I'm telling myself I saved money.

I also ordered some F40s. I'm going to sell off my MTH F40s. I'm a fan of kinematic pilots.

@Rider Sandman posted:

Dave, you might be thinking of the die-cast offset hoppers. They are some of the finest scale rolling stock Lionel has ever made.

Yes, the offsets are diecast, and I do have quite a bit of them. Like I said, I don't remember if I did order GLA's before. Hard to say. What do you think about them?

Well, I went and saw Tony at my local train store and put in my order for the 1945 1211 Class A, the Black River & Western set as well as the 2 GLA Hopper packs for the Pennsylvania and Norfolk and Western Railroads. Nothing else is a bite for me.

I've been waiting for Lionel to produce Amfleets again for a long time! Happy to see a cab car being offered again as well. Picking up the following from this catalog:

• Amtrak Legacy F40PH Phase III  (Hoping to get this one repainted as MBTA to pair with my Atlas MBTA Comet Commuter cars that I also ordered)
• Amtrak Genesis LionChief Plus 2.0 Set
• Amtrak Amfleet Phase VI coach/cab car 2-pack
• Amtrak Amfleet Phase VI coach 2-pack

Very excited for these to come in!

I think I will also be ordering the N&W class A 1211 to go along with the new base3 I already ordered. Still making a decision on CSX f40 and Es44 1775

I’m thinking F40PH and a Cabbage unit. Anyone know if the AMFLEETs are scale? If not, does anyone make scale AMFLEETs?

@Roberto Sanchez 111918 posted:

I’m thinking F40PH and a Cabbage unit. Anyone know if the AMFLEETs are scale? If not, does anyone make scale AMFLEETs?

They are not full scale. GGD does offer scale sized Amfleets.

@Roberto Sanchez 111918 posted:

I’m thinking F40PH and a Cabbage unit. Anyone know if the AMFLEETs are scale? If not, does anyone make scale AMFLEETs?

They are 18ish inches long, which does look pretty good but not to scale.
Note that they do not match up nicely with other brands' Amfleets.
If you are looking for a cab car, Lionel makes the only model available, so plan on buying Lionel Amfleets too.
Your train's Amfleets should be all one brand, but any Amfleets look fine with other brands' other rolling stock.
For example, I have MTH Amfleets running with Golden Gate Viewliners.

Frankly, I prefer MTH and GGD Amfleets, but I really wanted that cab car.

Here is a comparison of Lionel and MTH Amfleets (Lionel left)

Some Metra f40s would have been nice to see,  reading & northern f units for me so far,  maybe Amtrak phase 3 passenger cars too.

@CharmCityAirLine posted:

They are 18ish inches long, which does look pretty good but not to scale.
Note that they do not match up nicely with other brands' Amfleets.
If you are looking for a cab car, Lionel makes the only model available, so plan on buying Lionel Amfleets too.
Your train's Amfleets should be all one brand, but any Amfleets look fine with other brands' other rolling stock.
For example, I have MTH Amfleets running with Golden Gate Viewliners.

Frankly, I prefer MTH and GGD Amfleets, but I really wanted that cab car.

Here is a comparison of Lionel and MTH Amfleets (Lionel left)

That is good to know. I had figured MTH(Atlas) AMFEET would be the same dimension as Lionel AMFLEET. I’ll have to take a look at Golden Gate Depot.

I’m just starting out my fleet and knowing myself, I’ll notice my 21” streamliner passenger cars are longer than my AMFLEETs. Especially when running together. I know it’s not prototypical, but my “happiness” mixes modern electrics sharing the right of way with early diesels and steam power. It’s all about where you draw the line. 😁

You'll have to be patient for the GGD cars as the next run is probably a couple years out, but I assure you the wait will be worth it. I have three Viewliner cars from the previous run and regret not buying more.

Already Preordered:

Base 3

Amtrak F40PH Phase V Livery NPCU (side note-love these cab units. They're not just great for push-pull with the powered F40ph units with which they can pair. They're great for push-pull with any Amtrak TMCC equipped or Legacy loco(I assume conventional, too), which is great because the NPCU is typically in push-pull with a Genesis(now offered by Lionel in traditional size) and the Dash 8 which Lionel offered scale versions of in Phase III Pepsi Can and Phase IV liveries.

Amtrak F40PH Phase IV Livery Powered Unit

Still Deciding on if I'll buy a freight unit from this offering. If I do, it will be one of the following:

RS-27 Penn Central, C&NW or SOO

SD90MAC Norfolk Southern(UP patched)

A Lionel Lines Legacy SD90MAC.

So the ones that actually are ordering or have ordered what are you getting?

I ordered the UP Rocket Booster train.  Exceptional value for the number of cars + a Legacy engine (that is, if you're into modern trains actually carrying rocket parts).  Decided to pass on Class A post-WWII -- not that I don't think it will be great, but that's a lot of train dollars that can purchase other things.

They sucked me in, I'm in for the UP Rocket Booster Train.   That and the Legacy A-5 switcher fills out my new train dance card.  I'm still saving money for the Strasburg #90 that I have queued up from the previous catalog!

I really wanted the Quilling Pigs but I can't bring myself to spend $400 on a pig.  I'm just going to get the vision line # 9999.      JP

I ended up just settling for the Amtrak Phase V NPCU and the Woodside Chapel Car.

Between the Acela in the 2021 V1 catalog, and 90 in the V2 catalog, plus all of the other special announcements, my wallet needed a break.

Yep, $450 for one sound car and a couple of extra empty cars is over the top for me!

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

They sucked me in, I'm in for the UP Rocket Booster Train.   That and the Legacy A-5 switcher fills out my new train dance card.  I'm still saving money for the Strasburg #90 that I have queued up from the previous catalog!

I think that is an excellent choice!

I ended up with just the Aberdeen Carolina and Western F Units and heavyweights.  I thought about some others (the other ACWR cars, rocket train, a couple of the Atlantics), but since I also have a 3rd Rail P42 (Metro North) and a bunch of the Atlas Comet cars (also Metro North) on order, I decided that was more than enough for one year.

I went for the Base 3, decided it was time to move to legacy control.  Between that and the ZW-L I'm searching for; I should be set up to run my postwar and new stuff I want to expand into.