Lionel 2022 Volume 1 is up! Whatcha Getting?

@CAPPilot posted:

I have been looking for the MTH PRR A5 0-4-0 for years because it is more scale size than my K-line version (also Lionel's).  The A5 in this catalog looks like it might be MTH's version, although it is hard to tell.  "All new product" and "wireless drawbar" make it sound like it is not the old K-Line tooling.  Hopefully someone can confirm one way or the other.

ADDED: Saw Beth's comments on the catalog that it is MTH tooling.

I don't think this is MTH tooling although I would love to be wrong. The previous MTH models will have a 'new tooling' icon next to it like the 0-6-0 does. It's definitely the Lionel model images but that may be all they had to go with.

Ryan has continued to bilk as much money as he can from his customers and fellow Pennsylvania collectors.   The availability of Pennsylvania LC+ 2.0 locomotives is again limited to purchasing a set. (The exception being the K4 that just arrived). I thought about the C-liners from the last catalog but it’s a scale locomotive and nothing else I have is scale-sized.  I would like the S-2 very much it’s something that I consider a must for my Pennsylvania roster but a grand for a set when I will most likely be pulling passenger consists seems excessive  

Alrighty, from Mr. Muffin Trains, I pre ordered a Amtrak Phase 3 F40, Vision Line Union Pacific Stock Car, Two sets of the Amtrak Phase 3 Amfleet Cars and one set of the Amtrak Cab Car Phase 3 set.

So I'm coming in late to this topic and I did quickly scan through it but I'm sure I missed a lot so forgive me if I'm repeating a previous question from someone.

1) Will the CAB3 Lionel App work without a Legacy base if the locomotive has bluetooth onboard? I know it will have limitations but the Cab3 app layout looks nice and it seems that a quilable whistle and several other settings and sounds could easily work without a Legacy base needed.

2) I noticed the Legacy steam models that will run on O31 curves do not have whistle steam this year. Why would they not? They are Legacy models. It cant be the smaller size or cheaper price because the prices are not cheap at all and my Legacy Camelback from last year that was much cheaper has whistle steam.

3) I know the LC+ 2.0 models are nice but they seem to be getting very pricey very quickly the last year or so. I know all the inflation stuff that's going on but this seems to be a little excessive. Maybe they should have kept the LC+ line along with the 2.0 line. Seems to be a huge gap now between LC and LC+ 2.0. I wish the regular LC models had fan driven smoke.

Brad

if, for some reason, someone wants to get rid of their Legacy system, you know where to find me

With that PRR turbine I can see a baby J on the horizon....*shiver*. I'm still waiting on my LC K4 but if they had PRR railking steam tooling offers like an L1 or M1 I would have bitten. I like the WT switcher (would love to see it sitting next to one of my GG1's) but not at that price. So nothing from this catalog, will keep my powder dry and see what volume 2 has to offer.

@CAPPilot posted:

I have been looking for the MTH PRR A5 0-4-0 for years because it is more scale size than my K-line version (also Lionel's).  The A5 in this catalog looks like it might be MTH's version, although it is hard to tell.  "All new product" and "wireless drawbar" make it sound like it is not the old K-Line tooling.  Hopefully someone can confirm one way or the other.

ADDED: Saw Beth's comments on the catalog that it is MTH tooling.

CAPPilot,

      I am pretty sure this is the Kline molds version of the A5 not the MTH mold. If you watch the Dave & Ryan Show at the 44-45 minute mark they discuss the 0-6-0 and the A5. They confirm the 0-6-0 are MTH molds but when discussing the A5 Dave says that prior LionChief versions were issued in the past. I too wish they bought the MTH tooling as I believe the Kline version is slightly over sized. I did own two of the Kline versions, still have one.

JohnB

I want the Black River and Western set. My wallet is saying no though. lol

Looking at the Base3 being all black looks ugly to me. Then I watched Dave’s YT video which has the Base3 with a light grey color which looks better (with notes on the video saying this was a mock-up). What color is it going to be?

Carl J

A few of the Angels Boxcars, the UP Lighted Flag Boxcar in CAMO scheme (will look nice behind my MTH Premier SD40-2 UP Camo).  And speaking of SD40-2's, I went in for the Louisville & Indiana veteran 3001.  I love the veteran logo, and it has that Pennsy tuscan look with broad yellow stripe and keystones!  It's built to order, so I hope enough folks jump on it as well.

That B&M Atlantic steamer sure is tempting!  

So far I am in for the SF berk has a different paint scheme the the one I have. I am also in for the BNSF SW1 and a cab 3 maybe some husky stacks.

I am disappointed they were not more small loco in road names for SF and UP.

I was stoked to see the KCS 2-10-4 with the Grey boiler then I looked pictures of the real one and it is horribly wrong and all could have been fixed with brass details and they did not do the steam steam.

nothing!

After a second look here are my thoughts.

1. I’ll likely buy the end door North Pole boxcar. It will look good with my North Pole gp 35.  I may also get the Christmas light house with Santa going down the chimney. I’m guessing it’s all mth tooling, with mild upgrades? I may get the North Pole Doodlebug, but probably won’t.

2. The CSX business train is really cool, but with the price and not having started my layout, this will have to be a pass. The UP rocket train is really really cool, but due to the price and size of the set it’s a no. If I was a CP fan I would be bankrupt right now. They are gorgeous sd90s in a bunch of paint schemes. The NS set is great for a NS fan,but  I primarily like csx, it’s predecessors, and ma & pa.

3. This was a really bad catalog for csx, chessie, western md, b&o, engines (the semi scale csx dash 8 and business train aren’t really in my wheelhouse) and a very good one for ma & pa which had a caboose and doodlebug (no engines, if they had one I probably would’ve bought one).

4. I’m curious what the dealer prices are after discount. The es44 went up $150 since the last time it was cataloged. I’m also curious why there was a $50 difference between the sd90 and es44. They are both huge 6 axle diesels. Unfortunately, with the used market skyrocketing, inflationary monetary policy, mth largely disappearing & supply chain issues, I kinda figured the prices would have a significant jump.

W-H-A-T-C-H-A   G-E-T-T-I-N-G-?

1. LC Marine 44 Tonner

2. LEGACY ES44AC U.S.A. #1775

3. L&N vision horse car

There's nothing I "have" to have. Besides a home equity loan might be more appropriate.

This is definitely turning into a rich mans hobby...

But I did buy a N scale set today for my office!!

Finally had a chance to view the catalog.  Unfortunately nothing for me.  I’m a scale diesel and rolling stock guy, but nothing offered in my favorite roads-CNJ, D&H, Erie, DL&W, NYS&W, etc.  Not even a single piece of rolling stock…darn!  Maybe next time.  Happy for those who got what they were hoping for!

Will probably order one of these.

Let’s hope this train manufacturer has someone who can discern the difference between olive drab and Kelly green.  

Another interesting "new item"  in the back of the catalog are the 2230110 Bonanza airplanes, 2230120 boats and 2230130 helicopters. They are definitely Lionel postwar, and sell in multiple packs for $13.99. Looks to be a good way to provide loads to postwar cars.

B&O SW1

I like what Lionel did with the MTH SW1 switcher by adding fixed pilots and longer handrails…that REALLY improves its appearance.  Hope they eventually offer it in CNJ and LV!

Ordered the base 3; debating the vision stock cars ($450 is pretty pricey for the set).  Really like the santa fe black bonnet 2-10-4

Not sure if I'll get anything yet, but I have a quite a few items that I want. I only have O36 curves, though so I'm limited. Here's the list:

-Legacy Base3/Cab3 App (probably going to get this)

-EMD Prototype SD90MAC (love that paint scheme!)

-ATSF Yellowbonnet F7 A-A set and maybe the Superbass B-Unit (I love the Santa Fe)

-BNSF and/or UP Coil Car (no graffiti)

-Husky Stack (BN, Trailer Train, CRLE, Pacer or TTX; no graffiti)

-BNSF Flag Boxcar

-BNSF Rotary Gondolas (4-pack and 2-pack)

-BNSF Bulkhead Flat

-UP Centerbeam Flat

-BN 50' Boxcar

-Ore Cars (BN or UP)

-If I get larger curves (O60 or O72) on my layout, this is what I'd get:

-BNSF ES44AC Heritage

-UP ES44AC Rocket Booster Train Set (Holy smokes! So awesome! 12 large modern freight cars, a modern loco, and a cool rocket all in one set!)

First, I must admit that I did not read through 5 pages of this thread. So if anyone has mentioned the SW-1's already forgive me.  Just wondering..........How is it Lionel "has the room" to install a fan operated smoke unit when MTH said there was not enough room? Also, I think the fixed pilots make this a winner. Why couldn't MTH do fixed pilots? I stopped buying Lionel cold turkey about 5 years ago because of  issues I had with a loco 1 month out of warranty. I vowed to never buy again, however, this SW-1 gets me thinking about buying again. After all......it has been 5 years......Right? Maybe I can get over it and give them another chance.   Oh no....wait a minute......549.00 for a tiny switcher?  Let Me think this over.

The MTH SW1 could do O27 curves while the new Lionel fixed pilot model can only run *031* curves. The fixed pilot makes a huge difference.

I edited this post because I wrote 054 when they actually can run on 031.

@jini5 posted:

First, I must admit that I did not read through 5 pages of this thread. So if anyone has mentioned the SW-1's already forgive me.  Just wondering..........How is it Lionel "has the room" to install a fan operated smoke unit when MTH said there was not enough room? Also, I think the fixed pilots make this a winner. Why couldn't MTH do fixed pilots? I stopped buying Lionel cold turkey about 5 years ago because of  issues I had with a loco 1 month out of warranty. I vowed to never buy again, however, this SW-1 gets me thinking about buying again. After all......it has been 5 years......Right? Maybe I can get over it and give them another chance.   Oh no....wait a minute......549.00 for a tiny switcher?  Let Me think this over.

The SW1 has a single motor mounted between the trucks. The MTH version has two motors mounted vertically. That's why there is more room for a smoke unit. Only the shell is MTH, the mechanism is Lionel’s.

Also consider the MTH version was a Railking intended for folks with smaller layouts less likely to have 054 minimum curves.

Pete

Eventually I will get these

SOO LINE RS-27  415, 416

SOO LINE F7 A-A set

SOO LINE F7 B-unit

TRAILER TRAIN Husky-Stack well car with containers

Burlington Northern Husky-Stack well car with containers

BN ore car set

DM&IR ore car set

It is a matter of when they arrive and if they are sold out quickly.

Andrew

My “catalog” list is likely meager.  My “custom run” list could be expensive. I hope Lionel’s new minimums don’t kill too many projects.

Not new stuff to 2022, but considering picking up a legacy powermaster and a power brick, so I can run conventional trains with the remote. Does anyone sell smoke fluid in bigger bottles? Would consider this.

@Madockawando posted:

Atlas has some nice scale rolling stock to fill in the gaps in my pursuit of Canadian and New England road names that Lionel isn’t covering. As for comparing Lionel locomotives and Atlas locomotives, it’s apples to oranges. I think the technology of the Lionel locomotives justifies the higher cost over a comparable Atlas locomotive.

IIRC the Atlas locomotives all have sound.

@CNJ #1601 posted:

I like what Lionel did with the MTH SW1 switcher by adding fixed pilots and longer handrails…that REALLY improves its appearance.  Hope they eventually offer it in CNJ and LV!

Funny you should mention that. In doing an On-line research of the Lionel Conrail #8408, that was an exCNJ Sw1 with a unique Conrail switcher paint scheme.  I'm on the fence with that one.

Nothing I need and not much I want. Possibly some of the graffiti husky stacks because my wife likes graffitied rolling stock and that's an easy sell to her. The prices on them though, wow, might not be worth it.

If Lionel offered a scale Genesis in this catalog I would have been in trouble. I'm tempted by the the downeaster cabbage but with no scale Genesis to create a real downeaster consist I think I'll pass.

I don't run steam but the B&M Atlantic is tempting because I live in an area they would have operated but I have nothing appropriate for it to pull and obtaining steam era rolling stock is not a rabbit hole I want to go down.

I agree with others on the CP veterans units, I would have ordered at least one if Lionel had used the proper cab.

Lots of great stuff in the catalog just nothing that's screaming "BUY ME!!!" to me.

when is the deadline for pre orders?

getting anxious about that graffiti lionchief set

i will be very upset if it gets canceled and the same goes for the fire rescue set

i don't know how many wrecks my hot wheels cars have gotten into where the singular Allegheny City ambulance was not enough to fix the carnage

yes the hot wheels set is good enough for the salvage of vehicles but how do i find enough paramedic units that can operate in a mostly rail based city?

like a quote from Atomic Train 1999 "why use a scalpal when a chainsaw will do?"

All that product and I don’t see one thing I “gotta have!”  The “new normal” for me.

Lionel has moved in directions that don’t mesh with mine anymore; I suppose that was inevitable after the last forty years or so, not even counting my start in the mid-fifties.

I run conventional. I did break down years ago and move from tubular track to 036 Fastrack. I also bought three LionChief engines recently and have a remote that will hold all of them. But that’s enough.

LC+ has gotten most of my $ in recent years since I can run them conventionally and the sounds are nice. I have even purchased a few Legacy diesels (and one Steamer) although I knew I wouldn’t use many of the features and had to pay for them to get the engine I wanted. Kinda like those packages they put together on new automotive vehicles... At the new prices for Legacy items, no more of those going forward. Hey, I have plenty of Lionel so I am in a good place anyway.

I like the “Standard O” freight car line rather well and will continue to buy from it selectively, just nothing from this catalog. I think Standard O is a pretty good value.

All that said, I do wish Lionel well with their new offerings!

@SGP posted:

The MTH SW1 could do O27 curves while the new Lionel fixed pilot model can only go as small as 054. The fixed pilot makes a huge difference.

The SW1s are cataloged at 031. The set with big passenger cars requires larger curves.

Will Lionel’s doodlebug motorcars be made from new Lionel tooling or from the MTH Rail King tooling ?

Thanks in advance !!!

The CAB3 for sure.   Have to decide on the Strasburg Switches or SW1.   The Amtrak stuff is interesting and I like some of the freight cars..   The first pass I usually have a long list.  The next time, I get it down to reality and decide on 1 or 2 items I like.  

Base 3 ordered......

Peter

I was happy to see Lionel is offering the CN Heritage/Veterans units. I really was hoping for new ET44AC tooling though. At least Lionel acknowledged the real ones are actually ET44AC units and not ES44ACs as offered.  Same with the CP Military units. Like others have mentioned glad they are doing them, but was hoping for a more accurate model. So, I guess the big decision is do I drop $$$ on "close enough"? I passed on the MTH CP units because of that. (Kind of glad I did after seeing 6644!) That said, if I do pull the trigger I'm leaning towards the BC Rail HU, CN Veterans, CP 6644 and CP Heritage with script lettering. Fingers crossed on the camouflage paint....

Rob

@robmcc posted:

I was happy to see Lionel is offering the CN Heritage/Veterans units. I really was hoping for new ET44AC tooling though. At least Lionel acknowledged the real ones are actually ET44AC units and not ES44ACs as offered.  Same with the CP Military units. Like others have mentioned glad they are doing them, but was hoping for a more accurate model. So, I guess the big decision is do I drop $$$ on "close enough"? I passed on the MTH CP units because of that. (Kind of glad I did after seeing 6644!) That said, if I do pull the trigger I'm leaning towards the BC Rail HU, CN Veterans, CP 6644 and CP Heritage with script lettering. Fingers crossed on the camouflage paint....

Rob

The CP veteran tribute locomotives look outstanding! I can’t imagine anyone will be disappointed with them if the released models look like the ones cataloged. Both the CP and CN veteran tribute locomotives are the stars of the catalog along with the CAB3 and huge rocket booster train set.