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I'm wondering what experiences other folks have had in using 1122 switches for an O27 layout.

 

I was given some old 1122 switches in really dirty neglected condition. I've cleaned them up and completely disassembled some of them for rehab and got them to work well, and am also converting them to work on fixed voltage input, and optionally with capacitor discharge power.  

 

The earliest 1122 switches had built-in gaps in the outer rails and did not require the use of additional track insulating pins, but they were more prone to stall smaller 4-wheel locos. The later 1122-E switches work better, you just have to be sure to use insulating rail pins in the two inner rails connecting to the frog. I have mostly the later switches.  

 

The 1122 switches are basically the cheaper O27 version of the traditional O22 switches, both having non-derailing features. However the 1122 has no 'brains' and the non-derailing feature draws current for any metal-wheeled train going through the switch in either direction, regardless of whether or not the points are already lined correctly for a trailing move, and for as long as any metal wheels are on the switch. So the issue is, each 1122 switch uses about an amp of current when a train is on the switch. Or if it's fed with capacitor-discharge power, it drains the capacitor until it has a few seconds to recharge, and you can't use that same capacitor power for another switch in close proximity.  

 

I'm considering track plans for an O27 layout  because I already have lots of O27 track and switches. I'm thinking that it's probably not a good idea to have too many 1122 switches together because of the current draw, unless each switch has its own capacitor discharge supply. Which is possible, but it requires large and somewhat expensive capacitors. Or I could use a separate transformer to power them with my fixed voltage modification.

 

Any suggestions on how to make the best use of 1122 switches?

 

 

Photo shows a temporary trial layout with four 1122 switches.

2012-2311-O27 layout 30x66

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I've never used the 1122s, but on my last layout I used one 1022 on my layout. The 1022 is the manual version of the 1122. I broke every "rule" in the book with that one. It was used with the curved section as the mainline, and was located in an S curve as well. I don't recall any problems with it.

 

J White

When using a high current drain loco, or in addition with lighted passenger cars, the 1122's will snap ok.  Our issue was a low current inexpensive plastic modern Lionel engine, with can motor, would run too fast if you gave it enough voltage to snap the switch.  Running the engine slow, the switch would only snap halfway or not at all.  You can wire these as constant voltage like the O22's, I'm sure there's a thread out here about how to do that.

 

I gave up and bought nasty looking O22's a a show, and cleaned them up.  Never go back to O-27

I have used them on a portable layout and one home layout prior building my Fastrack layout. I did have one problem in that if you run trains in a command environment then the trains running through the switches cause the selenoid to fire constantly which will melt it down. I am not sure what the cure would be since it is usually the anti-derailing mechanism causing the seleniod to fire. My second portable layout I decided to use the old 1121 switches which do not have the anti-derailing and so the selenoid does not fire constantly.

 

There is one other thing to consider when using 027 switches. Some of the larger locomotives and cars can have enough overhang on the curve, so they hit the switch motor housing. It has been a long time, and I don't remember which particular pieces anymore. Aluminium passenger cars come quickly to mind.

 

022's can handle any traditional O gauge equipment.

Thank you all for the responses. I did mention in my original post that I have already modified the switches for fixed voltage supply, which makes them operate more positively. Also I can power them with a capacitor discharge power supply, which reduces the current draw, but that has some limitations. I'm thinking it's impractical for them to be used where one train might bridge several turnouts, and that this needs to be considered for track planning and power supply. Please read my full text at the beginning ... ?

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I guess I misinterpreted your post.  Your phrase "and am also converting them to work on fixed voltage input," led me to believe that you were somewhere in the process of converting to fixed voltage.  Later on you state that it is already done.

 

I'm not being a grammar Nazi, just trying to explain why some of us answered the way we did. 

Thank you all for the responses.

 

To clarify, I have already converted most of my 7 or 8 old 1122 switches to fixed voltage input, and four of the rehab switches are in my trial layout pictured above. I made some mention of my experience with the modified switches in my original post, including a trial of capacitor discharge power.

 

I guess what I have already learned is that these switches need more consideration about power supply, especially if you have multiple switches in a smaller track plan. I was interested to know of other people's experiences with them. I gather that they are not real popular in modern times, but I happened to get some for free so I am trying to make the best use of them.

 

I may just use multiple capacitor discharge supplies for these switches. But here is one of the quirks: Suppose you have a train going through a small reverse loop with an 1122 switch powered by capacitor discharge. The switch triggers automatically and unnecessarily when the train enters the loop, and if the train goes through the loop too fast the capacitor may not be adequately charged to fire the switch again for the train to exit the loop. Same problem with different switches in close proximity, unless each has its own capacitor discharge supply.

 

I have an existing O-gauge layout with some O22 switches and their non-derailing feature works great, especially with fixed voltage input.

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