For Sale forum and Pay-Pal's TOS

I like to send the $$ legit, and then have the seller/recipient send a copy of the fees charged, which then I gift to them.  Much lower exposure, and it comes out pretty even for everybody w/o violating the TOS. At the most, you are out the fees if the deal goes south.

I like your method Rob, that makes a lot of sense.

Why put the OGR owners in this position. They provide us with a free Forum we enjoy. So please bury this topic ASAP!

Dave G.

Now we have the PayPal police. Wow!

Mike

Until such time as PayPal becomes a forum sponsor, I can't see any reason for OGR to become involved with policing PP's Terms of Service.

Moreover, I can't see a forum member being bothered in the least with whether other members comply with or violate PP's TOS.

dgauss posted:

Why put the OGR owners in this position. They provide us with a free Forum we enjoy. So please bury this topic ASAP!

Dave G.

I mean, sticking your head in the sand is always an option, but I was looking for an actual answer.  If that answer is that the staff do not care to be involved in such things, I think that's fine.  As stated, just looking for an official position.  

On the other hand I doubt many folks are aware of this.  It looks bad on the seller, and defats the purpose of Pay-Pal.  As a business owner it seems the fees charged are a small price to pay compared to lost sales due to folks wanting to follow the rules, or, in my case, being unwilling to ever buy from someone that does this.  it leaves me with the thought, " if you're scamming on this, what else are you scamming on?"

Also, Paid subscribers  and paying advertisers  [that follow Pay-pal's, Visa's, Mastercard's, AmEx's, and every other payment service and are happily(or not) paying fees to accept payment] are paying for the forum.  I appreciate everything the staff does, but from a finical standpoint the advertisers should be equally annoyed

JGL

I'm glad it the subject got brought up as I had no idea it was an issue here until reading this thread...

Guess I'm in violation of said policy.  Somehow I don't think I'll loose any sleep over it.

If you do business on the bay you must use paypal,people using the forum are using it as a convenience so why dock the seller 3% on a sale that is usually a better deal than fleabay.

Mikey

ezmike posted:

Now we have the PayPal police. Wow!

The whole issue, I believe, comes down to character. How comfortable are you dealing in this venue, with someone you only know here, that is willing to stiff PayPay on their (deservedly)earned fees on a transaction, while at the same time give up any recourse with that individual if the deal doesn't work out? Will you get stiffed by that same character that is circumventing the PayPay TOS, and are you willing to take that risk for a few dollars(see my preferred payment method above)?

mikey posted:

If you do business on the bay you must use paypal,

That's not true.

But, you must offer PayPal as a payment option.

I think they police enough around here. Now you want them to police another site's policy here? 

They don't need to give an answer. If you don't want to buy from a seller.... don't. 

From the For Sale Forum Rules:

• This forum is provided by OGR Publishing Inc. as a free service for members of the OGR On-Line Forum.
• OGR Publishing, Inc. cannot vouch for the accuracy of any items listed for sale here.
• OGR Publishing, Inc. will not get involved in mediating any disputes that may arise between buyers and sellers when using this FOR SALE forum.

Think of the For Sale Forum like a paper bulletin board where you post things for sale. We simply provided the board and hung it on the wall.  We provide the listing service for free. We won't get involved in any way with this or any other selling problem that comes up on that forum.

As one poster said, it comes down to character. If you want to bend (maybe break?) the rules just to avoid paying a small fee that PayPal has legitimately earned, so be it. It takes big bucks to run all the high-tech infrastructure that makes PayPal run.