H10 #7109 Pennsylvania Lines; Heritage of Engine

You also forgot the  snifter valve. The upper photo loco does not have the snifter valve. The bottom one does.

The upper photo shows a spoked pilot wheel. The bottom one is a solid pilot wheel.

Nice looking motive power; is that the generator between the headlamp and stack in the lower picture? If so (and the engine in the upper doesn't have that), does that mean the upper engine has an oil-burning headlamp?

Mark in Oregon 

The spotting differences for the H8, H9 and H10 classes are:

H8: integral cast cylinders and saddle with inside steam delivery; no sloping external steam delivery pipes to the cylinders (like the first photo above).

H9: external steam delivery pipes to the cylinders with snifter valves (the round part at the top of the cylinder where the sloping pipe comes into it, like the second photo above).

H10: external steam delivery pipes to the cylinders without snifter valves, like the photo below.

Mark in Oregon, that is indeed the generator between the stack and headlight.  The first photo shows an oil burning headlight, the second photo could be an electric headlight in the old oil burning housing and the H10 photo above shows a more modern electric headlight.

N&W,

According to my data, you are correct.  The engine started life as a H8sc and upgraded to an H9sa (with snifter valve) although the upgrade per my data was done 8/1915.  It was scrapped 8/1949.  This engine never was a H10, and #7109 was not used again (the number was first used on a 0-4-0T built in 1879).

There was an earlier post that mentioned Lionel used three numbers for their "H10" release that were on H9s but never on a H10.  As I have mentioned before, I think if you buy these "H10" engines that once on your layout just call them H9s because that is what they really are.

I was wondering is the Pennsylvania lines is related to the Pennsylvania railroad. I wanted Lionel to make the h10 with out the e6 tender but was labeled Pennsylvania. I was just wondering if they are related. I thought that the Pennsylvania lines is just a different region of the Pennsylvania railroad.

RUGSY3,

Copied from a post several years ago: "Prior to 1920, all of what were called the "Pennsylvania Lines West of Pittsburgh and Erie" were operated by a separate organization, that was actually an amalgam of the Pennsylvania Company, a holding company for the lines between Pittsburgh, Erie, Cleveland, Ashtabula and Chicago, and the PCC&St. Louis, which controlled the lines to Cincinnati, Indianapolis and the Bradford-Chicago line.  These companies were managed by a separate "Lines West" organization, which only had the president in common with Lines East.  This organization used the service mark or trade name, "Pennsylvania Lines" as a contraction of "Pennsylvania Lines West of Pittsburgh and Erie." It owned its own equipment, which was so marked, as opposed to Lines East, which was marked "Pennsylvania Railroad" or "PRR."  Got that

Anyway after 1920 "Pennsylvania Lines" went away and all PRR equipment received "Pennsylvania".

rugsy3 posted:

I was wondering is the Pennsylvania lines is related to the Pennsylvania railroad. I wanted Lionel to make the h10 with out the e6 tender but was labeled Pennsylvania. I was just wondering if they are related. I thought that the Pennsylvania lines is just a different region of the Pennsylvania railroad.

Yes they are . Pennsylvania Lines means lines West of Pittsburgh PA. Pennsylvania was lines east of Pittsburgh PA. See above when the "lines" in the nomenclature was dropped.

You guys are lucky to have such gorgeous scale models.  We 2-railers had to build these things from kits - until expensive brass imports started arriving.

Weaver had done an H10.  7609.   There was another.