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This is a simple question but it is being asked as the procedure seems critical. In some of the Lionel literature it implicitly states that if you run the smoke unit dry it will burn out. It also says that adding too much fluid is harmful. So there you are too little and too much are bad. How can you even determine if you are adding too much?

My standard procedure is to add about 6 drops of smoke fluid when the smoke stream starts falling off but I find myself adding fluid every time that I run the trains. I've also seen different smoke fluid "mileage" on different brands. The question of when to add smoke fluid or not seems to put one between "a rock and a hard place" . OK people chime in, and lets have those closely guarded secrets!

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I try to add some when the output gets fairly low. I then add about 2 squirts from a needle tip bottle I have from JT's Mega Steam. Nice little bottles, kind of like the oil bottles only with an angled tip.

 

However I have one Railking diesel that the smoke output dropped on and I added my usual amount. It didn't increase the smoke output, so after running for a while I added some more. Did this at least 2-3 more times (anything worth doing is worth over doing). A few days later the bottom of the engine was a bit oily. Wiped it down and it has not been oily since. Think I may have over done that one a bit.

 

Now thinking it may have needed a new wick or something instead of being low on smoke fluid? It was still working when we moved last fall, haven't had it back out since then. Hope I don't need some new boards for it when I do get it back out.

I add smoke every running session.  I am one of those that has waited too long to add more smoke fluid resulting the wick to burn up.  I have replaced the wicking several times and even had to replace a smoke unit.  However, I have read on one of threads on the forum that Mike Reagan recommends you don't add fluid until the engine has run for some time in order to allow the smoke unit to warm up.  I have followed his advise.  

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:
Originally Posted by rtr12:

Now thinking it may have needed a new wick or something instead of being low on smoke fluid? It was still working when we moved last fall, haven't had it back out since then. Hope I don't need some new boards for it when I do get it back out.

My guess is you just need a new wick in the smoke unit, a common issue.

That's encouraging. I'm hoping it's just the wick, I think I can fix that myself.  I was really worried about the smoke fluid getting on the electronics.  I have never had one apart like you guys have, don't know how it's laid out inside. It ran just fine for a few months after the incident, but the smoke was never again as good as when new. It's a UP SD70ACE from a starter set. Forgot to add it's PS2

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Originally Posted by rtr12:
Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:
Originally Posted by rtr12:

Now thinking it may have needed a new wick or something instead of being low on smoke fluid? It was still working when we moved last fall, haven't had it back out since then. Hope I don't need some new boards for it when I do get it back out.

My guess is you just need a new wick in the smoke unit, a common issue.

That's encouraging. I'm hoping it's just the wick, I think I can fix that myself.  I was really worried about the smoke fluid getting on the electronics.  I have never had one apart like you guys have, don't know how it's laid out inside. It ran just fine for a few months after the incident, but the smoke was never again as good as when new. It's a UP SD70ACE from a starter set. Forgot to add it's PS2

Two of my MTH PS-1 locomotives I bought (used) came soaked in smoke fluid.  I cleaned them up, put a new wick in, and they smoke just fine now.  And by cleaned them up I mean I wiped them off with a paper towel.

A good fireman with good coal under average conditions yielded little or essentially

no smoke anyway. Oil burners tended to be smokier. So a little smoke on a model

can look quite prototypical. On my RR the firemen are extraordinary and the coal

is always top notch, so we're talking whiffs, usually.  

 

Of course when starting a train, or really, really working, or making "fake" smoke

for the fans on an excursion (I really hate that), there could be quite a bit of the

smoky stuff produced. 

Originally Posted by D500:

A good fireman with good coal under average conditions yielded little or essentially

no smoke anyway. Oil burners tended to be smokier. So a little smoke on a model

can look quite prototypical. On my RR the firemen are extraordinary and the coal

is always top notch, so we're talking whiffs, usually.  

 

Of course when starting a train, or really, really working, or making "fake" smoke

for the fans on an excursion (I really hate that), there could be quite a bit of the

smoky stuff produced. 

I run mostly diesels. But they are carefully tuned to the highest Russian standards, so as to achieve billowing clouds of smoke at all times.  

Years ago, my young son complained of an earache, so I popped him up on the kitchen counter and laid him down on his side to put some ear drops in his ear. When my wife got home, he told her I had put smoke fluid in his ear and it made hime feel better. So add smoke fluid only when your ear starts to hurt.

You have received lots of good advice here, the most important being never let the unit run dry.

My procedure to prevent that is when I am about to run the engine, I add 8 drops of fluid. When I am ready to park it for a while, I add 8 drops before shutting it down.

 

Also, not a good thing to add fluid when the unit is on. Shut it off first and then back on.

Originally Posted by KOOLjock1:

How much depends on the type of unit.  A mechanical puffer will take 6-8 drops, while a modern fan-powered unit will need a full dropper-full. 

 

I like to re-smoke my units at the end of the operating session.  It gives the fluid time to settle into the wicking and for any meniscus to drop away.

 

Jon

Re-filling at shut down sounds like a good idea, think I will start trying that. Never thought of that, but it makes sense!

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