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Hello OGR community!

Thanks for having a look at my situation.
I am planning on building a new layout in my basement. My first layout I built 2-3 years ago, knowing it was temporary
It is based on the Elbante central has 4 operating independently lines and was what I considered my learning curve to a permanent installation.
So much of my knowledge has been obtained by reading through so many great posts here and I am grateful!
One of the photos shows the basement framing plan and location of the new layout. Another shows the maximum space I can utilize in making this happen along with the roundhouse footprint. The idea of having roundhouse in the operations of the layout is difficult to eradicate! It seems to be the one thing that I can’t say no to. I’m know some of you will see things different as  I’m locked into having this feature and would value a different or shared perspective.
I’m thinking of all switching operations on the lower tier table, along with the roundhouse somewhere on the lower tier outside the 2 upper lines, a lead in track would generate from the yard area on the workbench. There is room for a 4-5 track switch yard inside the work are on my bench and a few other sidings scattered around for industry. I don’t have much thought on the lower layout plan yet, it all hinges on the position or elimination of the roundhouse.
The new wall being framed between the layout and workspace will be open below the header and to the floor that will allow access below under the table. The workbench height will match the layout height at 40”
I’m building the second tier as a double main line dog bone with 072 cross over switches and a couple of sidings. This tier does not come into the workspace area.  Not too busy a plan to allow for a town and homes with roadwork.
The 3rd tier is a double main line loop around with one siding on the shelf in the work area above the bench. This main will also have cross over switches. I would like to incorporate a grade track to all 3 levels if possible but not necessary for the 3rd tier.
I’m also trying to work in all radii to be a minimum of 48” maximum of 72” some 36” in the yard and sidings. My intention is to run 5-7 trains operating at the same time. I have 4 operating right now including a trolley line on my existing layout.
Scenery and streets with buildings is essential. I will also need a few pop up openings to access the areas I can’t reach from the outside of the layout, I’ve seen some very creative designs for those on the forum. I am using o gauge tubular track for this project. I have accumulated a great deal of it in the past few years and I feel if I take my time laying it properly it will be a great fit for me. I have weighed switching to other brands/types but I would like to keep it cost effective. I can do most everything that needs to be done, build, wire draw plans fix most anything that breaks and perform operations. Currently I have 17 turnouts, some 072’s and 022’s installed and working flawlessly. My one weakness is the knowledge of digital interfacing different brands and series of new control systems which I would like to be using along with my two ZW’s. I’d like to talk more about that, after my basement is framed this winter.  My layout is centered around the early ‘70’s, most of my engines and cars carry the road name of the LIRR line.

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I don't really understand your space situation. Wondering if some of what I think are existing walls could come down? Can't all be weight-bearing since some at 90 degrees to the others. Not clear why you would put a new wall in and still have track go behind it? Unclear how area is accessed, especially the washer and dryer? Wondering about maintaining access to what I think is a heat pump without losing all the space behind it?

Also, 48" radius is limiting. OK for 8-wheel diesels, but full-length passenger cars, and freight cars such as trailer train flats, Hi cubes, auto racks, and so on won't like it or look good.

I plan to rebuild a few sidings to increase radius to O-72 to match the main. Too many equipment restrictions to really operate the layout as is.

Thanks for the reply Ken. The basement measures 22 x 21 roughly. The only existing wall is at the 5 ‘ 8” measurement seperating the room we use for our computer/media room. All other existing walls are exterior block foundation. My home is small and there is little storage. The new 15’ wall separates the mechanical/ washer-dryer area. The wall with the heat pump/ mini-split unit will be in hiding the house trap and other plumbing leading out to the septic tank.
none of these walls are weight bearing. The space with the new closet at the bottom of the stairs will have a studio sized couch and tv on the outside wall. A pocket door separates the laundry area from living space.

I would rethink all those walls before getting too deep into track planning. I would consider moving the computer/media room down the wall on the right. At a minimum, eliminating the wall that is horizontal in the drawing would let the layout go all the to the wall instead of needing an aisle to get to that doorway.

The late John Armstrong made a distinction between physical constraints and political constraints. I feel your layout area is over constrained by political constraints.

That’s an excellent observation Ken. I was never thinking of moving the media room as I spent a good amount of time and effort soundproofing the space. The 5’ 8” wall is also an original wall to the house as this was the coal room and I’m attached to the vintage planking which faces the layout. With that in mind, im very much going to be covering it up with a backdrop mural. Something that hasn’t crossed my mind till now! That’s part of my mental trap. Thanks

Vintage planking can be removed, saved, and reused--perhaps even in a more visible location in your home. One of my childhood homes had a former barn beam for a fireplace mantle. Barn-type doors with visible rollers on top seem to be quite popular now. My son wants one for the closet in his home office. One made with vintage boards from your home's original coal bin would be even more special.

@Tim A#1 posted:

Hello OGR community!

Thanks for having a look at my situation.

  My layout is centered around the early ‘70’s, most of my engines and cars carry the road name of the LIRR line.

Hi Tim - Fellow Lawn-guylander here. I'm assuming you are running lot's of ALCO's......and C-liners.

I can understand keeping the one original wall for various reasons.

Looking forward to your progress.

Bob

Hi Bob, nice to see you again. Yes that is what makes up most of my fleet of engines. I did purchase a few of the M-7’s only because it’s as close as I can get to the M-3 for that time period.
The space I have to work with is limited in our cottage which boasts 740 square feet including the mud room addition. I remodeled the entire house when we purchased it 10 years ago, it is my line of work. The basement ceiling is a whopping 6’4”” height. The area above the layout had the 10’ beam cut out and a triple microlam header installed flush to add clean headroom space. I initially thought of going the 16’ wide along the entire back wall but I’d like to keep my workbench separated from the space to be more inviting, comfortable and useful for my wife to enjoy. I do like the thought of leaving the wall and that space but removing the planks and incorporating them elsewhere.

Hi Tim!  I found this thread after looking up your profile to see where you live.  I see you are in Lawn Guy Land as Bob seems to follow me wherever I go on the forum.  Now I am following him.  No, I have never been to LI as I live in Northwest Pennsylvania.  I see you are working on building, moving, removing walls in your nice basement.  Your desires for your layout seem well placed.  I'll keep following along. and Bob and Ken know I like these layout planning/building threads!!  When you have a chance, take a look at mine in the link in my signature line.  You will see there that a lot of forum folks have given me bountiful suggestions and encouragement over the years!!!

Hi Mark, thank you for the follow up. I see you have as much ambition in your space as do I! My dream is 30’x50’ but my reality is 15’x10’, I have been making concessions as I continue discovering that other members are doing so much more with less space. I will be sure to keep updating here as it all comes together. That’s a nice collection of trains you got there.

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