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The Millenials

We hear a lot about the demise of model railroading and/or the end of the NMRA in the chat rooms. Pundits have been predicting the end of our world for many years. Heck, in the 1950s, the rise of plastic kits was seen as dooming craftsman kits and the entire hobby. Editorials were written on the subject. Somehow, we survived and indeed, our golden age in terms of numbers, was not achieved until the 1970-80's.
 

Today, we face a more serious challenge - the aging of the hobby. I believe the average age of an NMRA member is 63. For Life Members, 67. This is touted as proof of our demise. I even used to joke about that, plotting the age progression on a chart (it is not linear, meaning it does not increase 1 year for 1 year) to establish the End of Model Railroading on January 15, 2037. A fictitious date.

 

Well, some hobbies have disappeared. In the 1940's, tethered gasoline powered miniature race cars were so popular, pre-RMC "Model Craftsman" magazine dedicated a section to them. Gone. But not really. Morphed into RC cars and boats.

 

Studies show all hobbies are aging. It is more a function of changing times and technologies. The Millennials have been studied as the first true digital generation and supposedly, our future. Well, guess what? We have a stiff climb ahead. Millennials as a group do not embrace delayed gratification activities. Golf is aging. Too many rules, too hard to master. The PGA is worried.

 

Other studies show that Millennials do not join groups so Rotary, Elks and Chambers of Commerce are also aging.

 

The image we have of the self-absorbed, non-social, always texting Millennial is overly-broad but has a grain of truth. For this generation never knew analog or the very technology we take for granted. Raised in a digital age, they embrace an era of rapid change, instant gratification and independent sources of information. To them, "cloud" has a whole different meaning and the Internet holds all truths.

 

I am not belittling this generation; far from it. They are our grandkids and help me master my new iPad Air and Kindle. Nicer folks you will never meet.

 

But into building analog kits or scratchbuilding? The delayed gratification of a layout? Joining the NMRA to attend meetings? A tough challenge.

 

My answer is not to give up but also not to work fruitlessly against the tide. Each generation rebels against the excesses of the previous. I am hopeful the post-Millenials will actually reach out to do what their parents abhorred. Until then, I see a more friutful albeit temporary hope in reaching out to Boomers with the time and money to adopt a hobby. While they will not extend our ultimate age limit, they may buy us time for that post-Millennial generation to find our hobby and maybe find us as well.

 

Pollyanna? No. I see that generation's eyes light up with Thomas and Brio and Lego. Come to Cleveland and the NMRA National Convention. Come to the National Train Show and watch the reaction to the Lego exhibit or Thomas. Let's go after that generation while they are formative and not compete with Apple, Google, Facebook and Twitter.

 

My thoughts, what are yours? 

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The reason Millennials are AWOL from so many traditional places is because we old farts are not only hanging on today, but will be for several more decades, meaning the new generation has to wait its turn to put its imprint on everything.

 

I guarantee, with the passage of time, such changes coming that will amaze those of us who will still be around. Its a seething volcano, waiting to erupt.

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Am I ever feeling unwanted!

 

Millennials are between 15 and 32 years old, yes they are our future, but they are also in the those key, college, new family, early career years, in fact most data shows Millennials have had a slower start due to the economic meltdown of 2008 than any group in post war America. They are getting settled, slowly, into career, family, etc.

 

My question would be why all the concern about 20 somethings, have 20 somethings ever been the core of this hobby or any hobby?

 

Why not focus on those of us between 32 and 64, born in 60's and 70's, the children of baby boomers, who saw Dad's old PW Lionel around the tree at Christmas or who had a small layout in the basement. We're in our prime earning years, have young children of our own to share the hobby with, and have lot of good years ahead of us.

 

There are a whole lot of us, non-baby boomer, non-millennnials, out there with established families, careers, and homes. To bad we're so quickly written off.   

I thought it was interesting regarding from whom it was issued. Sort of a mixed bag that was optimistic and yet regarding the whole thing as a challenge. I honestly think no one can read the future. I think putting it in a generational context was a mistake as it was too much of a broad brush. I thought it was also interesting that some of the views presented on the forum were echoed by the NMRA. 

I'll probably be dead anyway by that time the Thomas kiddies come around. I might haunt the York meet just to satisfy my own curiosity.Did that engine move on it's own? 

Call in the Ghost Busters.

Originally Posted by CincinnatiWestern:

Am I ever feeling unwanted!

 

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Why not focus on those of us between 32 and 64, born in 60's and 70's, the children of baby boomers, who saw Dad's old PW Lionel around the tree at Christmas or who had a small layout in the basement. We're in our prime earning years, have young children of our own to share the hobby with, and have lot of good years ahead of us.

 

There are a whole lot of us, non-baby boomer, non-millennnials, out there with established families, careers, and homes. To bad we're so quickly written off.   

We never got a fancy name that looks good in print. Kids-Of-The-Babyboomers just doesn't ring any bells! Without a fancy name people can't hangtag us and tweeter about us on Face Tube!

I think you nailed it! I got back into this hobby at the age of 42. I'll never understand this need to try and make trains appealing to kids and young adults. I don't know too many parents who are willing/able to drop $1000+ and turn over a significant chunk of space in their homes in order to put in a decent layout for their little kids. Most of the people I know who are in their 20s live in apartments which makes a train set a pretty tricky proposition. OTOH I know plenty of people in their 30's who have been taking up all sorts of traditional (and expensive) hobbies - woodworking, boat building, cars, etc. These are the people who have the right combination of time AND money and they're the ones the industry should be looking to for its future. 
 
As for millennials not knowing analog technology all I can say is you're clearly not hanging out with the millenials I know! A few weeks ago was the annual Record Store Day. At my neighborhood record shop (I have 4 within 2 miles of my home, BTW) there was a line around the block to get in and some people were camped out 4 hours ahead of time all so they could buy vinyl records. Most of these people were under 30. The people I see at the local bike shop buying parts to restore some old bike that they can ride around town are also mostly under 30. Of course there's also all the digital stuff they do most of which is just as complex and requires just as much problem solving ability as any analog train project. The notion that millenials don't like to build things is simply laughable. They're just not interested in the same things you are. 
 
Originally Posted by CincinnatiWestern:

Am I ever feeling unwanted!

 

Millennials are between 15 and 32 years old, yes they are our future, but they are also in the those key, college, new family, early career years, in fact most data shows Millennials have had a slower start due to the economic meltdown of 2008 than any group in post war America. They are getting settled, slowly, into career, family, etc.

 

My question would be why all the concern about 20 somethings, have 20 somethings ever been the core of this hobby or any hobby?

 

Why not focus on those of us between 32 and 64, born in 60's and 70's, the children of baby boomers, who saw Dad's old PW Lionel around the tree at Christmas or who had a small layout in the basement. We're in our prime earning years, have young children of our own to share the hobby with, and have lot of good years ahead of us.

 

There are a whole lot of us, non-baby boomer, non-millennnials, out there with established families, careers, and homes. To bad we're so quickly written off.   

 

Originally Posted by Chris Lord:
Originally Posted by handyandy:
 

We never got a fancy name that looks good in print. Kids-Of-The-Babyboomers just doesn't ring any bells! Without a fancy name people can't hangtag us and tweeter about us on Face Tube!

  Sure you did!  Generation X.  What could be more mysterious than that?

 

Generation X

Guess it's not all that great a name if I didn't know I was one. lol

Don't despair.

I have 2 babies in my home most evenings.

Best way to keep them happy without holding them?

Dim the lights and Run the TRAIN (Steam Engine with freight cars).

Blow the whistle, ring the bell, they love it.

 

Keeps them entertained for about a half hour when most things only get attention for a couple minutes.

 

Children ARE the future of a hobby, but you have to wait about 40 years for it.

In order for the hobby to continue and grow in the new age of Millennials, the interest has to be even larger than it is with the Boomers like us.  Consider this:  There is a certain percentage of us who are involved in the hobby.  Of course, we are the largest bulge in the total population; so that percentage translates to a lot of people.  By contrast the Millennials are smaller as a generation compared to us.  Therefore, in order for train manufacturers to survive in the future, there has to be actually a higher percentage of Millennials involved with the hobby than us just to sell the same amount of trains and accessories that manufacturers sell to us now.  Given the fact that there is not the same identity with trains by the Millennials as well as the fact that many who ARE interested, will probably inherit much of the stuff when we Boomers depart from this life, translates to shrinking sales.  The answer:  higher prices and limited production to offset lower demand.  Manufacturers are not going to go broke making prices cheaper for a market that is naturally dwindling.  Lower prices will not stimulate sales in an uninterested market.  So be prepared for higher prices in the future.

The millennials are exactly where I was 20 years ago.   That age range isn't into hobbies.   They are into finding a job/career, family, actively playing sports etc.   I took a break from model trains from age 12 until age 35.  

 

So like was said above.   Target the 35+ age group and the 15 and below.   Once they hit 16 and get a car...  well...  game over for a long while.

Sadly there are more Millennials than baby boomers, they are a lerger generation not a smaller one. Gen X is smaller, much smaller in fact, than either the boomers or the millennials.
 
My dad is an early boomer, and my younger siblings are early millennials. I guess with there being so many of you boomers having later in life kids we end up with a whole lot of kids raised in the 1980's.
 
 
Originally Posted by GG-1fan:

In order for the hobby to continue and grow in the new age of Millennials, the interest has to be even larger than it is with the Boomers like us.  Consider this:  There is a certain percentage of us who are involved in the hobby.  Of course, we are the largest bulge in the total population; so that percentage translates to a lot of people.  By contrast the Millennials are smaller as a generation compared to us.  Therefore, in order for train manufacturers to survive in the future, there has to be actually a higher percentage of Millennials involved with the hobby than us just to sell the same amount of trains and accessories that manufacturers sell to us now.  Given the fact that there is not the same identity with trains by the Millennials as well as the fact that many who ARE interested, will probably inherit much of the stuff when we Boomers depart from this life, translates to shrinking sales.  The answer:  higher prices and limited production to offset lower demand.  Manufacturers are not going to go broke making prices cheaper for a market that is naturally dwindling.  Lower prices will not stimulate sales in an uninterested market.  So be prepared for higher prices in the future.

 

 

I'm a baby-boomer who evidently is not as into O-gauge railroading and worried about the future of the hobby as many are on this forum.  I joined about 3 months ago and am finding that this forum has become as much entertaining as it is learning about O-gauge railroading, especially with a thread like this one.

 

So, keep up the good work forum members. Coming here for my daily edification and amusement is most enjoyable. 

Again? X2

 

This same topic comes up time and again in my other hobby, RC airplanes. How to get the kids involved... Ad nauseum.

 

Why can't it just be an "retired guy's" hobby, with a few middle age guys, the occasional 20-something straggler, and the preteen mascot around to lift heavy stuff for the old timers?

 

How many of you got your first train set as a kid and stayed in the hobby continuously? Very few, I'm sure.

 

Most of you got a train set as a kid, played with it a while, and put it away. You came back to the hobby at the "empty nest" stage of your lives.

 

Why does this generation have to stick with it straight through? You didn't.

Originally Posted by Landsteiner:

"I think putting it in a generational context was a mistake as it was too much of a broad brush."

 

I'd say you're right on the money; if not indeed understating the absence of a clue on the part of the NMRA president.  

Whats also interesting is that it was sent via a news letter to not only O gauge folks but over the entire spectrum of the hobby as a kind of the sky is falling but no,...it's not. Talk about a confused message. I don't think anyone has a handle on this "issue" and the NMRA President is no exception. All I can say is that it's sort of a viral infection..worrying about the future. I can think of more things to worry about than this.

Yes the hobby could shrink or is shrinking but if you look at the figures from the hobby association itself...it is not that bleak. It just struck me as sticking one's neck out far enough to get it chopped off in terms of branding millennials as this or that.

Thats what irked me..what are we going to do about it? I like how the burden is placed on us ( Not) Why doesnt he take his concerns to the manufacturers? Irksome and goofy.

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As a millennial, I don't think we have too much to worry about. Yes, we like our technology (I am sure most of you guys do too), but we do other things too. People say we don't like things that don't give us instant gratification. Well, if that were the case, why would so many young people be working on their car? Nothing is instant about fixing or modifying something on your car. Come to think about it, hasn't ever generation done that since the car became common? How about cooking? Sewing? Or even just working?

 

A lot of things have changed, but a lot of things haven't. I know many people my age that are interested in trains, but don't have the time, money or space to pursue it. We are struggling through college (both the classes and how to pay for it), hunting for a job (which right now is no small task), and starting our lives. Give us time to get settled in for life before you write us off.

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