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I want to build and around the room layout.  How do I make sure the table top line I draw around the room and build the table up to is level?  The last time I did this I went around the room with a level but when I got back to the point of beginning it was a few inches off.  The floor is uneven so I cannot measure up.  What is the right way to do this?

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Well, here's a poor man's way...all that's required is a cheap laser pointer, a 4 foot step ladder and a few other small items.
1.place a small (1 foot by 1 foot) piece of plywood or stiff cardboard ontop of a      4 foot step ladder in the middle of the room. Don't worry if this is too high        for your intended layout height.
2.check the plywood for level in both directions---shim up as necessary to            make it level.
3.lay the laser pointer on the plywood and make light pencil marks on the walls      where the laser point hits the walls (many places). DO NOT LOOK INTO THE        LIGHT!
4.connect the dots.
5.attach your layout to the wall either above, on or below the line as you            choose. The line is merely a level reference point from which to measure.
   EXAMPLE: Want the layout 6 inches below the laser line? Measure down 6 
    inches from the line many times, connect the dots and presto! You are done.
 
I'm not saying this method will acheive transit level perfection but it'll be close enough for smooth train operation.
Mark
 

 

...or use an open grid or L-girder construction method where the roadbed is all that need be adjusted, and which provides much more opportunity for more realistic scenery. The model is an island type layout, but open grid works for around the walls also. IMO layouts look best when everything isn't perfectly level.

 

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Either way, install some sort of height adjustment in all legs so you have a couple of inches leeway for fine-tuning with a wrench after assembly.

 

Lag bolts:

 

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..or T-nuts:

 

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Jim

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Which ever way you choose to draw your level line, I would definitely do that, it's good to have a known reference point. Even with different grades makes things a lot easier. A rotating Laser is the best, because you can also mark any center columns in the basement. A water level is also good for this but takes more time. There cheap and accurate. Nothing more than a garden hose and some clear tubing. Also leveling the bench work as you go is good. The longer the standard bubble level the more accurate over distance. The laser on a ladder also works good, but make sure you check the level all the time. By all means install the leg adjusters. Make sure your level is accurate! 

 

Good luck and have fun

 

Clem

Ditto.  Laser.   Save heartbreak later.  Our girder benchwork turned out "laser flat"
 
Originally Posted by NJCJOE:

Use a laser level. They have small ones you can attach to a wall for use in hanging pictures and shelves or you can use a spinning head model that will flash a laser line all around the perimeter of the room.

 

Originally Posted by D500:

Water level? Really? In 2013? (Ok, if you were modeling the New York Central - and

who doesn't? - a true "Water Level Route" method might be appropriate.)

 

Laser level. No water.

I have been using a water level for years, nothing more accurate. a laser can't go around corners or into the next room. water level costs about $5 and a garden hose. a laser level is only as accurate as the the level of the surface it is mounted on.  if that surface is not perfectly level, the line won't be either. takes a real good tripod to achieve this.

Originally Posted by JohnS:
Originally Posted by D500:

Water level? Really? In 2013? (Ok, if you were modeling the New York Central - and

who doesn't? - a true "Water Level Route" method might be appropriate.)

 

Laser level. No water.

I have been using a water level for years, nothing more accurate. a laser can't go around corners or into the next room. water level costs about $5 and a garden hose. a laser level is only as accurate as the the level of the surface it is mounted on.  if that surface is not perfectly level, the line won't be either. takes a real good tripod to achieve this.

Used a water level to build the stone and block wall around my garden, couldn't believe how level I got it and how easy it was to use. Like you said, can go around corners even areas that aren't in line of sight. Technology has it's place but like I've said in the past, "Fine, it's 2013, so? Never saw any memos about not using X,Y or Z anymore, didn't realize things like that had an expiration date." Can't see paying for a laser level just to build a layout when a water level is easy and cheap, and what did our distant ancestors use when they built their layouts? Don't recall seeing many wonky layouts from the old days, guess some of us have forgotten the basics because of technology.

 

Jerry

No need to put down any system.  It is entirely how you use which ever system you select.

 

I shot a rotating laser on my 2000 sq ft 1953 era cinder block wall basement and the course was +/- 1/8" over 65 feet.  Construction was well before lasers being used in the common trades.  Just careful craftsmanship, that is all it takes.

On my current, seventh layout (and last), and ever since my fifth layout (circa 1990) I don't fuss with "level."  I just eyeball everything "pretty close to level" and keep it the same distance from the floor, then leave it at that.  After all, I'm going to model terrain that is not level and track that is deliberately not level since it's climbing and looping over itself a lot, etc., so why? 

I've got a toolbox full of levels. Torpedo levels, line levels, bubble levels, and a 4ft level. But - the level I use more than all the others combined....a 30 ft water level.

 

The tubing (1/2") is inexpensive. The fittings for each end was a whole 5 bucks. The green food coloring was almost free ( I got caught!).  

 

It's never been out of calibration. Works around corners, doesn't need a tripod, and above all - it needs just about zero maintenance outside of rolling it up and hanging it on a nail. Of course, you may have to change the water once in a while and risk getting caught nabbing the green food coloring bottle out of the kitchen.

As you can see from the responses here, there is more than one way to establish level and to control grades on a layout. The same is true for most other tasks associated with layout building.

 

If you are a newcomer to the hobby, the trick is not to be intimidated by some of the very sophisticated tools and methods some people use and describe here on the forum. You can keep it simple and inexpensive, and still get good results.

 

Jim

 

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