Lionel 2019 VOL 1

Technically....the H10's are remakes and they're not really even H10's.

They're consolidations masquerading as H9's.

The Hudsons look good. They have only been done once 15 years ago.

Of course......if they come with silver smoke boxes and casting lines..... they won't look so good.

I'm just glad theres not any Berkshires or Mikes. Those have been made to death.

Are we allowed to discuss Lionel 2019 lineup before the Wednesday debut? 

There's a few things I may order, and a few that I might if the price werent SOOOOO out of line.  There are some sets that are reasonable on the price, but...non powered locomotives should not be $300 !!!!!

So, I know Lionel wants to keep the catalog a Secret until the 23rd, my question is, will it go On Line that day? I have seen many pictures on this forum, however, it’s not like having the actual catalog in your hands. Happy Railroading.

Saw enough for me.   I saw everything from cover-to-cover online complete with prices. And the prices made me not want to even look at a hard copy..   

Surprised the #4141 isn't in the new catalog.  On a side note do we really need "fantasy" scheme ES44's?  How about the real ones riding out on the rails today.....like NS#4000, #4001, #4003 etc.  Arcelor Mittal?  Plenty of real ones not made yet.....

2019 Vol 1...

I really like the SF "Gold Bonnet," wishing it was available as a separate sale item, not being a fan of 21" passenger cars.

" I saw everything from cover-to-cover online complete with prices. "

I would be interested in seeing that information, even with the high prices.  Any hints as to location?

MLAT posted:

Surprised the #4141 isn't in the new catalog.  On a side note do we really need "fantasy" scheme ES44's?  How about the real ones riding out on the rails today.....like NS#4000, #4001, #4003 etc.  Arcelor Mittal?  Plenty of real ones not made yet.....

Those engines are not ES44's, they are rebuilds from Dash-8 series engines. Totally different look. That being said, Lionel could in theory offer them if they changes a few things on their Dash 9 tooling. 

I pray the Lionchief tier 4 locomotives sell so well, that Lionel decides to make a scale, legacy tier 4 engine for the next catalog.

please Lionel, I know the o scale market is way different from the ho scale market, but scaletrains and InterMountain did very well with their tier 4 locomotives.

Landsteiner posted:

" I saw everything from cover-to-cover online complete with prices. "

I would be interested in seeing that information, even with the high prices.  Any hints as to location?

Its on Youtube.   A person reviews the new catalog in three separate videos.  

Landsteiner posted:

" I saw everything from cover-to-cover online complete with prices. "

I would be interested in seeing that information, even with the high prices.  Any hints as to location?

Online Wednesday morning!

Jeff T posted

 

Online Wednesday morning!

I have a feeling I can hold out until Wednesday. It’s not like an item I might want would be delivered before the month is out.

Lionel where they are more concerned with catalog pics leaking online 3 days early than they are about quality control.  

I was hoping they come out with the  scale NW2 again it is a great engine. so I may get a two pack passenger set and a Flat with a tank on it, but that is it.

I am happy to see that the 2 truck shays have returned. I am not happy to see their price increase. I am curious to see how well the polar express bi polar will sell. Hopefully we get legacy hhp-8s in August, and hopefully I don’t see one in a pennsy scheme. 

VistaDomeScott posted:

Are we allowed to discuss Lionel 2019 lineup before the Wednesday debut?

You can discuss to your heart's content; just don't post photos of the new catalog or pages in it.

VidKidz posted:

Lionel where they are more concerned with catalog pics leaking online 3 days early than they are about quality control.  

 

I would have thought they would have relished in some positive PR for a change. Personally, seeing the catalog make me more excited about some offerings I did not expect to see. Especially the fantasy UP greyhound scheme. 

tom21pa posted:

Gotta pay those QC inspectors somehow.........

Yeah, lets hope it improves. 

I already saw the catalog, couple of cool items, probably pick up the BNSF tank train,  but how about some new animated accessories??

It looks like cylinder steam is coming back in a couple of the Legacy steamers.

Am I the only one that noticed they cant do anything outside the purview of a catalog? No special runs, , no uncatalogued items, no addendum, Only the 2 catalogs and the RTR stuff.

Matt Makens posted:

Then why was my post stating there is no George Bush loco in the new catalog deleted? There were no photos of the lack of a George Bush loco.

 

I can't really answer that, Matt. Could have been by accident. I deleted a good number of posts that had photos of or from the new catalog, and had to go through 11 pages of the topic, one page and post at a time. It took a long time and I did the best I could.

Picked up the catalog yesterday and must admit a surprise, there's some pretty nice stuff inside.   Love the PRR J3a.  Its a beautiful engine.   I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it included Dynamo steam along with Cylinder steam.     Notice no tubular track & switches cataloged.   Great catalog for the new guy but for me I'll pass, its all repeats. 

I have already viewed the catalog on line last Friday.

BTW, I did not find anything that I wanted.

Most of the new stuff is geared to 3-9 year olds.

Well...  my 9 year old self is excited to see a man in black driving a area 51 trackmobile.

Thats a mandatory unit for my area 51 on my layout!  

Its cool that lionel went that far instead of a typical bug eyed diesel engineer...

I'm very impressed with LionChief Plus 2.0 (not so much with the nomenclature) and I'm probably going to get the LC+2 NYC FT AA set and B unit.

The LC+2 Tier 4s were a good idea, but for $400 they ought to come with better looking handrails.

I really like the NYC 1939 Pacemaker J3A Hudson set, but neither my layout nor my wallet can accommodate it.

Hiawatha98 posted:

I'm very impressed with LionChief Plus 2.0 (not so much with the nomenclature) and I'm probably going to get the LC+2 NYC FT AA set and B unit.

The LC+2 Tier 4s were a good idea, but for $400 they ought to come with better looking handrails.

I really like the NYC 1939 Pacemaker J3A Hudson set, but neither my layout nor my wallet can accommodate it.

Do you know if the LC+2.0 will run on AC and DC...  OR just AC?  

Thanks

Jim

Hiawatha98 posted:

I'm very impressed with LionChief Plus 2.0 (not so much with the nomenclature) and I'm probably going to get the LC+2 NYC FT AA set and B unit.

 

Which reminds that I think I saw (in the pictures that were around for a few days) a Texas Special AA FT set in LC2. Those may very well end up on my list.

JC642 posted:

Picked up the catalog yesterday and must admit a surprise, there's some pretty nice stuff inside.   Love the PRR J3a.  Its a beautiful engine.   I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it included Dynamo steam along with Cylinder steam.     Notice no tubular track & switches cataloged.   Great catalog for the new guy but for me I'll pass, its all repeats. 

"...the PRR J3a." 

This is one of two things: a typo or a great Disturbance in the Force. I pray that it is the former.

carsntrains posted:

Hiawatha98 posted:

I'm very impressed with LionChief Plus 2.0 (not so much with the nomenclature) and I'm probably going to get the LC+2 NYC FT AA set and B unit.

The LC+2 Tier 4s were a good idea, but for $400 they ought to come with better looking handrails.

I really like the NYC 1939 Pacemaker J3A Hudson set, but neither my layout nor my wallet can accommodate it.

Do you know if the LC+2.0 will run on AC and DC...  OR just AC?  

Thanks

Jim

My catalog doesn't say anywhere for certain, but I think it's a safe bet that they will run on both AC and DC.

(edit: diction)

NSDTrains posted:

It looks like cylinder steam is coming back in a couple of the Legacy steamers.

Yes, but did they remove stuff like whistle steam to make room for them?

I'm happy to see the return of Building KITS!  Why pay someone in China to do something I mastered when I was 12?!  And mine ALWAYS come out better!  I might be tempted by a LionChief Plus 2.0 (someone in marketing should be shot for that) Berkshire. 

To me this catalog more than any other feels like a completely different company from Lionel of old.  I miss certain items that could be depended on to be there year after year.  The licensed stuff smacks of K-Line's lesser items.  The whole thing smells of someone trying too hard.  And while I've usually defended Lionel pricing in the past... well.  $700 for some LIRR passenger cars?  Might as well move to Long Island and buy a monthly commutation ticket for that.

Watching one of the YouTube vids makes me once again grateful to my elderly next door neighbor when I was a kid.  He would quiz me on road names and reporting marks of every railroad he could think of.  And even if he didn't, I'm sure Abbot & Costello or the Three Stooges drilled into me the pronunciation of the Susquehanna Hat Company!

Jon  

KOOLjock1 posted:grateful to my elderly next door neighbor when I was a kid.  He would quiz me on road names and reporting marks of every railroad he could think of.  And even if he didn't, I'm sure Abbot & Costello or the Three Stooges drilled into me the pronunciation of the Susquehanna Hat Company!

Jon  

That ones a classic ;

D500 posted:

JC642 posted:

Picked up the catalog yesterday and must admit a surprise, there's some pretty nice stuff inside.   Love the PRR J3a.  Its a beautiful engine.   I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it included Dynamo steam along with Cylinder steam.     Notice no tubular track & switches cataloged.   Great catalog for the new guy but for me I'll pass, its all repeats. 

"...the PRR J3a." 

This is one of two things: a typo or a great Disturbance in the Force. I pray that it is the former.

Typo...  

JC642 posted:

Picked up the catalog yesterday and must admit a surprise, there's some pretty nice stuff inside. 

...... for me I'll pass, its all repeats. 

????????

Well, OK.  So there's some pretty nice repeat stuff inside.   

Lionel Train Catalog 2019 =

Got to look through the catalog at my LHS today. 

I like the idea and features of LC+2, especially the added lights, 4 chuffs, and TMCC Cab-1 compatibility. A bit disappointed in the engine selection for the maiden voyage, but I understand it. The Junior Berk is a nice engine (I have two) and leads the money-making Polar Express. The Junior Berk appears to be a closer replica of the real thing than the PW/726 models. As my stable has grown, however, I've simply come to regret owning O27 traditional (Junior) Berks that are smaller than my O27 traditional Pacifics. I like the length and looks of the Rail King Imperial Berks with PS3 for a lower cost better.

I don't have space for a Lionmaster Big Boy.

I'll probably go for the PW/726 model Berk in Lionel Lines when/if it becomes available in LC+2 and retire my conventional WBB.

Every engine on my Want List is in the MTH Rail King Imperial line., and the new catalog hasn't changed that.

Those prices are ridiculous.  I'm glad to be almost out of room for anything new.  I'd be buying from other manufacturers anyway.

Looks like the Lionel website already has the description pages loaded, but no photos yet.

Is there not much interest at Lionel for the new catalog?

I have been on a two year hiatus, but I seem to remember that Lionel would promptly post the catalog on the date it was suppose to be available on-line.  Until then, they would have a countdown clock!  This morning I find nothing on their site. 

Jim