Okay - let's add the GP-30 in Nickle Plate Road #900

• Lionel 21334NKP GP30 - Nickel Plate Road NKP - #900 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains

NKP GP30 looks great, Steve. I’m on the hook.

MR Muffin,

Concerning your interest in a PC GP-30, red letter, will this help?

Also, using your imagination, what is the possibility of a "Indiana" Pacific using LionChief + 2.0 (could use the current Baby K4 ) tooling? The engine is crazy and beautiful and unique all at the same time. I would purchase a smaller "Indiana" version.

I presume that any orders for these custom runs are also due by the end of February like the regular preorders?

@das boot posted:

MR Muffin,

Concerning your interest in a PC GP-30, red letter, will this help?

Also, using your imagination, what is the possibility of a "Indiana" Pacific using LionChief + 2.0 (could use the current Baby K4 ) tooling? The engine is crazy and beautiful and unique all at the same time. I would purchase a smaller "Indiana" version.

Yes - exactly what I was looking for - before I saw this I received a picture of a #2189 so I think we are going with that one. Interested folks can order either, or both, of the PC's here:

• Lionel 21334PCR GP30 - Penn Central - #2189 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains
• Lionel 21334PC GP30 - Penn Central - #2222 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains

@naresar posted:

I presume that any orders for these custom runs are also due by the end of February like the regular preorders?

Yes, thank you

To confirm the PC GP30s will be painted "as shown" in the pictures?  I realize they will not be weathered.

In addition to the PC GP30's, which have the most orders so far, and the NKP GP30, we added 5 Pacific's folks have asked for and a Camelback. These only get made with your orders - 25 each!

@DETROIT posted:

To confirm the PC GP30s will be painted "as shown" in the pictures?  I realize they will not be weathered.

Yes, and I will post the art work from Lionel after we receive it - but that won't be out until the orders are due.

Just ordered the NKP GP30. I’m in pretty much every time you do a custom NKP engine. Thanks!

It’s a long shot, but Chicago and Eastern Illinois GP30?

https://www.antiquesnavigator....p30-240-in-1966.html

@Keith Crook 020419 posted:

Just ordered the NKP GP30. I’m in pretty much every time you do a custom NKP engine. Thanks!

Saw that - thank you!

@vash44 posted:

It’s a long shot, but Chicago and Eastern Illinois GP30?

https://www.antiquesnavigator....p30-240-in-1966.html

Sure is pretty - think we could get 25 orders?....

Mr. Muffins,

Please find out from Lionel on the driver diameter for these Pacific's. DL&W had four different size's,

1101-1114 had 73" and were freight.

1115-1130 had 79" and were passenger.

1131-1135 had 73" and did both freight and passenger, 1131-1133 had regular pilots, 1134 & 1135 had permanent snow plows.

1136-1140 had 79" and was passenger.

1151-1183 had 69" and were freight.

1184-1193 had 70" and were freight.

The picture you have listed of the 1130 has the single step as delivered, all pacific's got the ladder after first overhaul like this Lionel model. The rear tender headlight was centered on 1131-1135, but I see no tender light in the catalog. The trim was not white but silver, tires and the outside of the ladder from the pilot up to the running board and the edge of the running board back to the cab was also silver. In a picture I have dated 12-26-52 the silver was gone from the 1133. All engine, tender tires and running board were silver as delivered in 1915, only the 1131 & 1132 kept the silver tires and trim till the end in 1952. The front of the smoke box was silver like the ACL in the catalog, not gray or black.

I can email you pictures of every different angle if you would like from all of my DL&W books, of course all credit is to the original photographer.

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

• Lionel 21312NYC USRA Pacific - New York Central NYC #3330 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains

Hey Steve, I'm curious as to the color of the boiler, whether it is black, gray, graphite, or what ever other colors they could be? I know it is early and it may take a bit to get information on that, but figured I would ask.

Steve, the Western Maryland WM #205 really caught my eye!  Now if we can get 25 people to make an order!!

@DL&W Pete posted:

Mr. Muffins,

Please find out from Lionel on the driver diameter for these Pacific's. DL&W had four different size's,

1101-1114 had 73" and were freight.

1115-1130 had 79" and were passenger.

1131-1135 had 73" and did both freight and passenger, 1131-1133 had regular pilots, 1134 & 1135 had permanent snow plows.

1136-1140 had 79" and was passenger.

1151-1183 had 69" and were freight.

1184-1193 had 70" and were freight.

The picture you have listed of the 1130 has the single step as delivered, all pacific's got the ladder after first overhaul like this Lionel model. The rear tender headlight was centered on 1131-1135, but I see no tender light in the catalog. The trim was not white but silver, tires and the outside of the ladder from the pilot up to the running board and the edge of the running board back to the cab was also silver. In a picture I have dated 12-26-52 the silver was gone from the 1133. All engine, tender tires and running board were silver as delivered in 1915, only the 1131 & 1132 kept the silver tires and trim till the end in 1952. The front of the smoke box was silver like the ACL in the catalog, not gray or black.

I can email you pictures of every different angle if you would like from all of my DL&W books, of course all credit is to the original photographer.

Do you think we should change model / road number to better match what Lionel is making?

@Mark Boyce posted:

Steve, the Western Maryland WM #205 really caught my eye!  Now if we can get 25 people to make an order!!

If we can get close, we will have them made....

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

If we can get close, we will have them made....

Considering what Lionel's MSRP is on cataloged engines and you are doing small custom runs, you offer a great price!!  Great job, Steve!!!  Still, it's a lot of pennies to save up.  I like others will have to put our thinking caps on!  

@MrMuffin'sTrains - Can you provide any road specific details for the pacifics? Specifically the SF?

How about a dl&w camelback?  Can't swing the $$$ for a pacific

@SuperChief posted:

@MrMuffin'sTrains - Can you provide any road specific details for the pacifics? Specifically the SF?

At this point, all I have is a photograph..... if we get 25 preorders - no money - I will work that out with Lionel... they will develop the art work and the specs, and I can share that.... I had a number of people write/post that they wanted one prior to the Valley Flier Set cataloged, so I added one.... so far - no preorders...

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

At this point, all I have is a photograph..... if we get 25 preorders - no money - I will work that out with Lionel... they will develop the art work and the specs, and I can share that.... I had a number of people write/post that they wanted one prior to the Valley Flier Set cataloged, so I added one.... so far - no preorders...

Ah, so that’s how it works. It makes sense.  Thanks Steve!

Ordered one of the B&O Pacifics as soon as I saw your post.  Thanks so much for doing these!  Lionel has only done a B&O pacific dressed up for specific passenger trains, and the most recent one had the whistle wayyy off.  Was sad to see no B&O pacific offered amongst this latest run from Lionel, but it made my day to see it on your list!

Probably much too late, but if there were any chance you could throw in a B&O GP30 (in "sunburst" scheme if possible, but standard is fine, too) or Chessie, I'd order at least one of each and probably a few.  Chessie was done back in about 2007, and B&O hasn't ever been done in legacy.  Was disappointed to see the B&O and Chessie offered by Lionel only in CSX patched and renumbered.

But again, thank you for putting together this already really cool run of custom units!

P.S., my personal preference is for the look of the B&O Pacifics with the Vanderbilt tenders, but that may just be me.  Don't know if this decision has been set in stone yet, though.

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

Do you think we should change model / road number to better match what Lionel is making?

Mr. Muffins,

When K-line closed and Weaver Models took that order of Pacific's, the driver size was 73". From what I see in the Lionel catalog, I can't tell if they are 73 or 79. It's 2021, why would they NOT offer a rear tender headlight. If you can get the driver size from Lionel, then I can get you the right road number. I helped Joe get all of the right information when Weaver made the brass Pocono, I can also help with pictures and other DL&W facts if you add the Camelback. I have plenty of pictures on 4-6-0's in my one book. Let me know, I would be happy to help get ANY DL&W engine made as correct as possible.

@Catonsville Central Railway posted:

Ordered one of the B&O Pacifics as soon as I saw your post.  Thanks so much for doing these!  Lionel has only done a B&O pacific dressed up for specific passenger trains, and the most recent one had the whistle wayyy off.  Was sad to see no B&O pacific offered amongst this latest run from Lionel, but it made my day to see it on your list!

Probably much too late, but if there were any chance you could throw in a B&O GP30 (in "sunburst" scheme if possible, but standard is fine, too) or Chessie, I'd order at least one of each and probably a few.  Chessie was done back in about 2007, and B&O hasn't ever been done in legacy.  Was disappointed to see the B&O and Chessie offered by Lionel only in CSX patched and renumbered.

But again, thank you for putting together this already really cool run of custom units!

P.S., my personal preference is for the look of the B&O Pacifics with the Vanderbilt tenders, but that may just be me.  Don't know if this decision has been set in stone yet, though.

Okay, first we have had lots of input and terrific help today on the B&O Pacific. Lets change the model we are going to run to #5236 in blue with the Vanderbilt tender. Has gold trim and lettering. Pretty terrific. I really want to make this, so I need to get to 25 - and I will take one - so like 22 to go.

THE B&O sunburst is a good idea - I just have so many GP30's now - maybe if one falls out....THE B&O sunburst is a good idea - I just have so many GP30's now - maybe if one falls out....

@DL&W Pete posted:

Mr. Muffins,

When K-line closed and Weaver Models took that order of Pacific's, the driver size was 73". From what I see in the Lionel catalog, I can't tell if they are 73 or 79. It's 2021, why would they NOT offer a rear tender headlight. If you can get the driver size from Lionel, then I can get you the right road number. I helped Joe get all of the right information when Weaver made the brass Pocono, I can also help with pictures and other DL&W facts if you add the Camelback. I have plenty of pictures on 4-6-0's in my one book. Let me know, I would be happy to help get ANY DL&W engine made as correct as possible.

Pete - all I have found out so far is that they're using the same wheels that they used 12 years ago when they last did the Pacific.... any thoughts on that?

@MrMuffin'sTrains

The wife liked the B&O Pacific, politely declined when I asked if she wanted to order one.  

Suggest changing the road number of the engine in the first post to #5236.  Thanks

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

THE B&O sunburst is a good idea - I just have so many GP30's now - maybe if one falls out....

Well if you decide to go for it, I can’t imagine it would be too hard to get to the 25 number.  The old TMCC sunburst model is hard to find like hen’s teeth.

And if you needed some pictures of a real one, I’m 15 minutes from the B&O railroad museum where they have one still in operation, number 6944.

https://youtu.be/h5jva1y0hMQ

Either way, I’m even more ecstatic now about the B&O Pacific!  Will have to talk to some B&O buddies about also ordering one to be sure we get to that 25 number...

Late next week, I need to prune the list with Lionel and confirm what they will make, and then the final count of engines by 2/28.... My thinking right now is if I don't have at least 10 orders for an engine by end of the weekend, I will cancel the project..... focus on what people really want - so get your orders in!

I will pop mine in for the USRA NYC Pacific tonight, see what comes. That one gets my vote.

Thank you for the update, Steve!  That is quite fair.

Ordered the NYC Pacific #3330

As I said, put my order in for the NYC USRA Pacific. Hope we get more. If these fall through(the NYC), maybe I will hop onto one of the other runs, maybe the B&O.

DaveNYCHudsn PRR K4

I know 2 were ordered today from a couple of NJ HiRailers so that 3 from this thread alone. Hopefully we get to 25

@PSU1980 posted:

DaveNYCHudsn PRR K4

I know 2 were ordered today from a couple of NJ HiRailers so that 3 from this thread alone. Hopefully we get to 25

Steve was ordering one as well. He said I'd be 3, he'd be 4. Well, I guess I'm the latter, lol. Either way we're half way there(to at least 10). Definitely hope a bunch get built.

Got my order in for CNJ #829. Hopefully I’m not the only one!

Votes cast for the Milwaukee #340 GP30 and the Milwaukee #808 Pacific. Would like to see the C&EI made. Any interest from anyone else? Figured with Mr. Muffins ability to produce midwest named runs there is a chance.

Okay, I finally stepped up to the plate and submitted a pre-order for the Western Maryland Pacific.  I wouldn't be surprised if this is close to the least popular of the options, so we will see how it goes.

Thank you, Steve and Jeff!!