Now that's one of the best sounding horns I've ever heard on any LEGACY diesel engine! 
Zach - I sure hope you don't have any problems with the engine. With your enthusiasm I can only imagine how you would take that. Best of luck of course.
William 1 posted:Zach - I sure hope you don't have any problems with the engine. With your enthusiasm I can only imagine how you would take that. Best of luck of course.
Hey best of luck to you as well, I sure hope I don't have any problems with 364, if it ever gets to New Jersey..
AmtrakNickFilms posted:Nothing confirmed, I hope Lionel will make a Grand Canyon f40, I asked during the livestream over the weekend and they said they could do it in the future.
I hope they also do this paintscheme of the Via Rail F40PH.
Still using the Incorrect 710 prime mover sounds
SPSF posted:Still using the Incorrect 710 prime mover sounds
OK, how does a turbocharged EMD 16-645 with an exhaust silencer, sound different than a turbocharged 16-710 with an exhaust silencer?
Considering all the other paint schemes out there that can be done and in sufficient demand, Lionel should get some good use out of this new tooling. 
Hot Water posted:SPSF posted:Still using the Incorrect 710 prime mover sounds
OK, how does a turbocharged EMD 16-645 with an exhaust silencer, sound different than a turbocharged 16-710 with an exhaust silencer?
The 710 sounds more refined / toned down. The 645 sounds different. Lionel is using a one size fits all chip - like they did with their SD40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0BI6y4xM4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ngARGn6Spk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FatYZDYeDDM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE5Z68fzAvA
SPSF posted:Hot Water posted:SPSF posted:Still using the Incorrect 710 prime mover sounds
OK, how does a turbocharged EMD 16-645 with an exhaust silencer, sound different than a turbocharged 16-710 with an exhaust silencer?
The 710 sounds more refined / toned down.
That is your opinion.
The 645 sounds different.
Not in my opinion, having dealt with EMD 567, 645, and 710 engines for more than 40 years. For what it's worth, the absolute LOUDEST diesel unit EMD ever produced was the DDA40X, with twin 16-645F3 engines and NO EXHAUST SILENCERS.
Lionel is using a one size fits all chip - like they did with their SD40
Just my opinion but, unless you have spent a lifetime working on and around EMD turbocharged engines, it really doesn't matter.
Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf. I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound. It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound. I saw these both at idle and accelerating.
Tell me that these sound the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdE
SPSF posted:Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf. I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound. It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound. I saw these both at idle and accelerating.
Tell me that these sound the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdE
If I looked at it from the non- railroad side, the first thing I would demand is that the same equipment be used to record each engine in the exact same conditions, same exact location. That would also include facts like rpm and such, at idle.
That might not seem like much. After handling audio equipment for years I have noticed quite some differences. Now, with mics built into phones and cameras, it might seem to level the field. I would not trust them to be the same.
So comparing 3 idling engines recorded from overhead, to a more modern one at trackside, without even knowing what was used, seems ridiculous to a person like me.
SPSF posted:Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf. I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound. It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound. I saw these both at idle and accelerating.
Tell me that these sound the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdE
You are trying to compare sounds of a 40/45 series units, without exhaust silencers, to Dash-2 series units WITH exhaust silencers, to a 710 with a different/larger exhaust silencer. Not to mention the fact that earlier EMD units equipped with 645 engines had much higher idle speeds, than the later Dash-2 series units, and then finally the 710 engines with the VERY low idle speed.
When comparing the full load exhaust sound of any Dash-2 series unit (with exhaust silencer) to the full load exhaust sound of the 710 equipped units (again with exhaust silencer), they all sound pretty much the same.
On the other hand, I may very well be "tone deaf", after more than 40 years of diesel and steam locomotive exhausts! That said, comparing them at idle is a waste of time, in my opinion, as there are way too many designs differences.
Hot Water posted:SPSF posted:Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf. I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound. It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound. I saw these both at idle and accelerating.
Tell me that these sound the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdEYou are trying to compare sounds of a 40/45 series units, without exhaust silencers, to Dash-2 series units WITH exhaust silencers, to a 710 with a different/larger exhaust silencer. Not to mention the fact that earlier EMD units equipped with 645 engines had much higher idle speeds, than the later Dash-2 series units, and then finally the 710 engines with the VERY low idle speed.
When comparing the full load exhaust sound of any Dash-2 series unit (with exhaust silencer) to the full load exhaust sound of the 710 equipped units (again with exhaust silencer), they all sound pretty much the same.
On the other hand, I may very well be "tone deaf", after more than 40 years of diesel and steam locomotive exhausts! That said, comparing them at idle is a waste of time, in my opinion, as there are way too many designs differences.
I think if this is the biggest issue with these, then we can safely say lionel did a GREAT job on them
BigJohn&theWork posted:Hot Water posted:SPSF posted:Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf. I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound. It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound. I saw these both at idle and accelerating.
Tell me that these sound the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdEYou are trying to compare sounds of a 40/45 series units, without exhaust silencers, to Dash-2 series units WITH exhaust silencers, to a 710 with a different/larger exhaust silencer. Not to mention the fact that earlier EMD units equipped with 645 engines had much higher idle speeds, than the later Dash-2 series units, and then finally the 710 engines with the VERY low idle speed.
When comparing the full load exhaust sound of any Dash-2 series unit (with exhaust silencer) to the full load exhaust sound of the 710 equipped units (again with exhaust silencer), they all sound pretty much the same.
On the other hand, I may very well be "tone deaf", after more than 40 years of diesel and steam locomotive exhausts! That said, comparing them at idle is a waste of time, in my opinion, as there are way too many designs differences.
I think if this is the biggest issue with these, then we can safely say lionel did a GREAT job on them
MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!
Maybe Lionel has to put future F40PH, back on the drawing board.
Start working on Siemen’s, New SC-44 Charger - Amtrak and several other road names and California Department of Transportation.
Who will bring us the New Siemens, SC-44 Charger Locomotive, built at Sacramento, California, Top speed of 125 Miles Per Hour and 4400 HP / Lionel • MTH or Atlas?
Gary
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Or maybe even the Amtrak P42DC, as well as other paint schemes. This would be a total best seller. And while we're at it, maybe even some 21" Superliner cars to go with them.
Peter Araujo posted:Or maybe even the Amtrak P42DC, as well as other paint schemes. This would be a total best seller. And while we're at it, maybe even some 21" Superliner cars to go with them.
Hi Peter: If you can make MTH work on your layout, they have several paint schemes. Some are in stock.
Gary
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If Lionel would do it, they would give them the Kinematic pilots.
Peter Araujo posted:If Lionel would do it, they would give them the Kinematic pilots.
Hi Peter: You have Mike Wolf in your OGR Forum Avatar - Hit him up with an e-mail or a phone call. Just ask him for kinematic pilots on MTH, • MTH also has the 21' Super-liners.
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trainroomgary posted:Peter Araujo posted:If Lionel would do it, they would give them the Kinematic pilots.
Hi Peter: You have Mike Wolf in your OGR Forum Avatar - Hit him up with an e-mail or a phone call. Just ask him for kinematic pilots on MTH, • MTH also has the 21' Super-liners.
This doesn't mean I only collect MTH, I also collect Lionel, Atlas, and a little bit of Weaver Models. I don't think MTH will want to do something like that to the pilots. Also their Superliner cars are actually 18" in length, not 21". That would be cool though, but it's best not to bother so they can stay in business.
Lionel did an excellent job with this demonstration video.
I like how they showed the programing switch for the cabbage unit.
and they look great on the layout.
Gary
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Dave Olson... you are the man!!!!! Thank you for pushing the technology forward.... and for correct horn times!!!!
Tones!
The GN Man posted:If Lionel ever brings back the (K-Line) Bombardier commuter cars, I hope they add sound and the "PAIR" feature to the cab control cars.
I am glad you posted this. I have wondered how I could respond to Lionel's use of the word "pair" in the 2017 Signature catalog.
I do not like the use of the word " pair" as Lionel has used it in their most recent catalog. This use is reserved for wine and food. Please ,Lionel, do not continue to use the word "pair" in this context anymore for the sake of the King's English.
Fred
Atlas's first release Comet and Horizon cars had a similar function for the upgraded cab cars. By setting the dipswitch the correct way on the AEM7 or ALP44 locomotive and the corresponding cab car, the strobes and the horn would work on which ever end of the train was leading. Yes, old technology but not bad for 1999 when they were first released. Yes, I know the horn sounded terrible on those, but the tooling is still excellent nearly 20 years later.
This is the Lionel Amtrak F40PH - Horn samples.....
Gary
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Can someone post a video to get to the command control switches to program? The magnets seem very sticky.
It's not the magnets, the paint on the hatch covers is too thick and binds. The only fix is to sand the sides a bit and then touch-up the black so they come off properly. BTW, lift from the rear, the front is the hinges, the rear is where the magnets are.
trainroomgary posted:
Who will bring us the New Siemens, SC-44 Charger Locomotive, built at Sacramento, California, Top speed of 125 Miles Per Hour and 4400 HP / Lionel • MTH or Atlas?
Gary
Gary, even if they bring it, we have aesthetic standards to adhere to on purchases! 
That is one ugly locomotive!
BobbyD posted:trainroomgary posted:
Who will bring us the New Siemens, SC-44 Charger Locomotive, built at Sacramento, California, Top speed of 125 Miles Per Hour and 4400 HP / Lionel • MTH or Atlas?
Gary
Gary, even if they bring it, we have aesthetic standards to adhere to on purchases!
gunrunnerjohn posted:That is one ugly locomotive!
Hi: Bob & John
Here is the deal, An Amtrak Siemens, came close to my train room last week, took my two grandson down to see this locomotive. Guess What? My two grandson's want to see grandpa add this locomotive to the layout.
This Siemens is going to replace the Amtrak Genesis - Who ever builds this first, Lionel or MTH. I will add this loco to my roaster. We always talk about ways to grow the hobby on the OGR Forum. Lionel and MTH should be building locos that kids can see go by there homes and ride on. Just like we did as kids, with American Flyer and Lionel.
Gary: Still a big kid......
I'm in no hurry.
Does anyone have the CSX F40PH's?
Peter Araujo posted:Does anyone have the CSX F40PH's?
I received an email today from my dealer that mine has arrived at the store. Will likely be picking it up tomorrow.....after checking it for defects.
Mine is in, you can bet when I pick it up I'm going to look it over VERY carefully!
trainroomgary posted:BobbyD posted:trainroomgary posted:
Who will bring us the New Siemens, SC-44 Charger Locomotive, built at Sacramento, California, Top speed of 125 Miles Per Hour and 4400 HP / Lionel • MTH or Atlas?
Gary
Gary, even if they bring it, we have aesthetic standards to adhere to on purchases!
gunrunnerjohn posted:That is one ugly locomotive!
Hi: Bob & John
Here is the deal, An Amtrak Siemens, came close to my train room last week, took my two grandson down to see this locomotive. Guess What? My two grandson's want to see grandpa add this locomotive to the layout.
This Siemens is going to replace the Amtrak Genesis - Who ever builds this first, Lionel or MTH. I will add this loco to my roaster. We always talk about ways to grow the hobby on the OGR Forum. Lionel and MTH should be building locos that kids can see go by there homes and ride on. Just like we did as kids, with American Flyer and Lionel.
Gary: Still a big kid......
Gary,
The SC-44s are not replacing the Genesis, at least not yet. The F59PHIs however, are gone. A handful of the P40s will be retired, but only a few.
As for this topic, I picked my Cabbage unit up a little while ago, and I have to say it is by far one of my favorite engines in my collection. It runs great with my Lionel Amtrak Dash 9, and the horn is incredible! My CSX one is at Nicholas Smith, so I think I will get it after York, if I am not bankrupt.
What are the defects you are worried about?
Maxrailroad posted:trainroomgary posted:BobbyD poste
Gary,
The SC-44s are not replacing the Genesis, at least not yet. The F59PHIs however, are gone. A handful of the P40s will be retired, but only a few.
As for this topic, I picked my Cabbage unit up a little while ago, and I have to say it is by far one of my favorite engines in my collection. It runs great with my Lionel Amtrak Dash 9, and the horn is incredible! My CSX one is at Nicholas Smith, so I think I will get it after York, if I am not bankrupt.
Max, glad to see I'm not the only one on the border of chapter 11.......Lol
I just watched all the posted videos in this thread on the Lionel FP40. Is it me, or do the engine sounds sound exactly like the SD60e's? Are they supposed to? The horn is different but the engine is identical.
