Just a quick review of my new H10. Enjoy!
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Looks great! Hopefully mine arrives by Friday.
Thanks for the thorough review Sean.
Is it me, or are the bell, whistle, and popoffs painted gold instead of being brass?
Nice- I missed the fact that it had a swinging bell. I will have to see if I can add one to the fleet. Like the whistle steam effect. Thanks for sharing.
RickO posted:Thanks for the thorough review Sean.
Is it me, or are the bell, whistle, and popoffs painted gold instead of being brass?
I can’t tell if they are painted or just unpolished brass. The underside of the bell has a steel core (for the magnetic swing). Only way to tell is try to scrape it to see if paint comes off, but I won’t be trying that, haha
Great video. Thanks. I’ll be talking to Joey at Nicholas Smith
Looking forward to seeing any posts for darkening the silver paint (short of a full repaint of course.)
Speaking of which, should the top "cradle" for the bell be painted black? If so that will be an easy fix at least.
Looks like all the features are there, I hope Henning's gets mine in soon! 
Here is a short video of my Bellefonte Central that arrived today from Charles Ro. Since I live in Bellefonte I had to have one. I did find a screw with a very stripped head in the box (picture below). Turns out it came from the bottom of the steam chest. I don't know if the threads are stripped on the casting, but I 'll call Lionel on Friday and see if they will just send me a replacement screw to try. I wish they didn't let them use power screw drivers at the factory.
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BradFish1 posted:Here is a short video of my Bellefonte Central that arrived today from Charles Ro. Since I live in Bellefonte I had to have one. I did find a screw with a very stripped head in the box (picture below). Turns out it came from the bottom of the steam chest. I don't know if the threads are stripped on the casting, but I 'll call Lionel on Friday and see if they will just send me a replacement screw to try. I wish they didn't let them use power screw drivers at the factory.
One thing I like about your model is the back of the tender is painted black and not red like mine. The Red in the tender and Cab roof are so far off from each other, it sticks out. I wish they would of just painted the whole tender black on the PRSL ones.
SandJam posted:The Red in the tender and Cab roof are so far off from each other, it sticks out. I wish they would of just painted the whole tender black on the PRSL ones.
Heres a thread on the PRR E6's released this year with the same color discrepancy.
Apparently its "prototypical".Lionel E6 Color Off?
Prior to these E6's and the H10 the Lionel PRR cab/tender reds always matched the darker red of the cab roof. FWIW, this is true for MTH as well.
I just can't see Lionel "going out of their way" to model 2 different shades of red for accuracy while at the same time painting the smokebox silver instead of the correct graphite color. 
The lighter red matches the tender deck of the GN e6. I wonder if all of the tenders for the E6's and H10's were painted at the same time with the same red.
On a side note. It also appears that the cab has no windows. Can you confirm Sean?
I guess it wouldn't be a big suprise as the TMCC version didn't have any, but it wouldn't have been a big deal to add them. It also mentions "cab glass" in the catalog description....for what thats worth.
Didn’t the H10s have a powered pneumatic bell like on the K4s, and G5’s? Or was that a later add-on?
Jon 
RickO posted:SandJam posted:The Red in the tender and Cab roof are so far off from each other, it sticks out. I wish they would of just painted the whole tender black on the PRSL ones.
Heres a thread on the PRR E6's released this year with the same color discrepancy.
Apparently its "prototypical".Lionel E6 Color Off?
Prior to these E6's and the H10 the Lionel PRR cab/tender reds always matched the darker red of the cab roof. FWIW, this is true for MTH as well.
I just can't see Lionel "going out of their way" to model 2 different shades of red for accuracy while at the same time painting the smokebox silver instead of the correct graphite color.
The lighter red matches the tender deck of the GN e6. I wonder if all of the tenders for the E6's and H10's were painted at the same time with the same red.
On a side note. It also appears that the cab has no windows. Can you confirm Sean?
I guess it wouldn't be a big suprise as the TMCC version didn't have any, but it wouldn't have been a big deal to add them. It also mentions "cab glass" in the catalog description....for what thats worth.
You are correct there is NO glass in the cab windows.
KOOLjock1 posted:Didn’t the H10s have a powered pneumatic bell like on the K4s, and G5’s? Or was that a later add-on?
Jon
Yes, they were equipped with powered pneumatic bells.
KOOLjock1 posted:Didn’t the H10s have a powered pneumatic bell like on the K4s, and G5’s? Or was that a later add-on?
Jon
Yes, but the swinging bell is so cool that I'm keeping it anyway.
Great review! Any photos of the Lines West one?
Steam Guy posted:Great review! Any photos of the Lines West one?
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Mine came in today. It’s a gem. The sound is strong, the steam and whistle are robust, the operation is smooth, and the lighting is pretty. Minor quibbles are that there is no window glass, the smoke box is colored light, the “brass parts” such as the whistle and bell are painted gold, and the first speed step up is not as slow speed as some of my other Legacy engines. Still, this is a winner!
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WhatShouldIBuyNext posted:
Minor quibbles are that the whistle and bell are painted gold, and...s. Still, this is a winner!
As compared to what regarding the Whistle and bell being painted gold?
IF these parts were brass, you couldn't have the "swinging Bell" mechanism with using magnets.
If the bell was brass, it would "mismatch the color of the bell.
RickO posted:I just can't see Lionel "going out of their way" to model 2 different shades of red for accuracy while at the same time painting the smokebox silver instead of the correct graphite color.
Wondering if this silver is the same paint color used incorrectly by the factory on Lionel’s recently released wabash and was it ?mopac? diesels?
Sean, I follow you on YouTube and your videos and layout are too notch! Keep up great work
Thanks so much for posting the video showing the model with the Lines West tender. The tender appears to be the same one as the Lionel CC2 0-8-8-0.
prrhorseshoecurve posted:As compared to what regarding the Whistle and bell being painted gold?
The VL hudson, CC2, 2-10-10-2, and the recent S1 electric have MUCH nicer looking brass detail.
IF these parts were brass, you couldn't have the "swinging Bell" mechanism with using magnets.
If Lionel uses a magnet under the bell like the models mentioned above they could.
If the bell was brass, it would "mismatch the color of the bell.
Photo from member D500:
RickO posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:As compared to what regarding the Whistle and bell being painted gold?
The VL hudson, CC2, 2-10-10-2, and the recent S1 electric have MUCH nicer looking brass detail.
IF these parts were brass, you couldn't have the "swinging Bell" mechanism with using magnets.
If Lionel uses a magnet under the bell like the models mentioned above they could.
If the bell was brass, it would "mismatch the color of the bell.
Actually you could as all the swinging bells have a steal core in them. My CC2 has a brass swinging bell (at least it looks like it because it is polished. If you turn the bell upside down, you can see the steel core. So I am not saying it is brass because it looks painted but technically it could be. My guess is it is pot metal with the steel core on these.
Keystone posted:Wondering if this silver is the same paint color used incorrectly by the factory on Lionel’s recently released wabash and was it ?mopac? diesels?
And the gold paint on the bell, whistle, and popoffs looks like leftover gold paint from the 10th anniversary PE Gold berkshires.
WhatShouldIBuyNext posted:Minor quibbles are that there is no window glass, the smoke box is colored light, the “brass parts” such as the whistle and bell are painted gold, and the first speed step up is not as slow speed as some of my other Legacy engines. Still, this is a winner!
I guess these are all the things Lionel did to get this loco to come in at the low price point. 
I'm not sure if I should break the seal on mine or just sell it. I took a chance and preordered this one. Never again.
SandJam posted:BradFish1 posted:Here is a short video of my Bellefonte Central that arrived today from Charles Ro. Since I live in Bellefonte I had to have one. I did find a screw with a very stripped head in the box (picture below). Turns out it came from the bottom of the steam chest. I don't know if the threads are stripped on the casting, but I 'll call Lionel on Friday and see if they will just send me a replacement screw to try. I wish they didn't let them use power screw drivers at the factory.
One thing I like about your model is the back of the tender is painted black and not red like mine. The Red in the tender and Cab roof are so far off from each other, it sticks out. I wish they would of just painted the whole tender black on the PRSL ones.
Anyone know if the Western Allegany version is painted with the two different reds on the roof of the engine and the back of the tender?
Robert
RickO posted:WhatShouldIBuyNext posted:Minor quibbles are that there is no window glass, the smoke box is colored light, the “brass parts” such as the whistle and bell are painted gold, and the first speed step up is not as slow speed as some of my other Legacy engines. Still, this is a winner!
I guess these are all the things Lionel did to get this loco to come in at the low price point.
I'm not sure if I should break the seal on mine or just sell it. I took a chance and preordered this one. Never again.
For the price I think it worth it to keep it and run it. Most of these things are quite minor. No ones really going to notice the gold paint.
Seems like a nice engine with much less wrong with it as far as paint than other Lionel engines these days. Smaller steam really looks great on the layout!
To RickO,
Despite the few issues. I find this engine attractive and one that I like just as much or even more than my VL Niagra. Dare I say, I prefer the sound in this H10 over the sound of the Niagra.
WhatShouldIBuyNext posted:Mine came in today. It’s a gem. The sound is strong, the steam and whistle are robust, the operation is smooth, and the lighting is pretty. Minor quibbles are that there is no window glass, the smoke box is colored light, the “brass parts” such as the whistle and bell are painted gold, and the first speed step up is not as slow speed as some of my other Legacy engines. Still, this is a winner!
Yea I picked this engine up yesterday.. Sounds and smoke are very good, actually better then I expected. The tender is actually better detailed then the engine (treads on walkways) and finer details. Engine has no cab window glass (catalog said it should) & smooth walkways really separates it from the tender. On the plus side engine runs slow and smooth but headlight remains on when in reverse? That no cost feature we take for granted is a given was implemented 20 years ago. I guess its hard to complain with all the added features and low price of this engine even with the screwed up silver boiler front..
Well the gold/ brass look can be fixed with thing wrapping kits from Michel's. What I need to know from my upcoming set in January is what paint to simulate the linseed graphite paint.
The Pennsylvania Lines H10 looks like Lionel has an excellent engine at a price that is a value. The engine can run on most layouts, has whistle steam and swinging bell, and should be in demand this Christmas.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
The engine is great and a great price considering some of prices today on engines. It's crazy to see you all pick on little stuff like paint on bell etc but yet the dang thing is running on 3 rails lol lol. I'll never get it. When it boils down to it , it's a toy. Anyone who's counting rivets is gonna paint it or weather it anyway
I received my Pennsylvania Lines H10 yesterday. Runs awesome! lots of smoke from the whistle. The sounds (creaking) are fantastic at slow speed. They did a great job.
The color of the tender not matching the locomotive top of cab is kind of strange.
I am very pleased with it.
Dmaxdeere87 posted:The engine is great and a great price considering some of prices today on engines. It's crazy to see you all pick on little stuff like paint on bell etc but yet the dang thing is running on 3 rails lol lol. I'll never get it. When it boils down to it , it's a toy. Anyone who's counting rivets is gonna paint it or weather it anyway
No one is picking on anything. Just reviews and comments. Honestly no one will ever notice the bell is painted gold or no window glass, etc. This engine is one of the Best Values for Features legacy engine made.
It is a winner.
cswalter posted:... The color of the tender not matching the locomotive top of cab is kind of strange.
It’s supposed to be like that because it was that way on the real trains.
prrhorseshoecurve posted:Well the gold/ brass look can be fixed with thing wrapping kits from Michel's. What I need to know from my upcoming set in January is what paint to simulate the linseed graphite paint.
You could try this stuff...
I did the smokebox of the AF K5; you can see it (almost) matches the color of the earlier release Lionel H...in any case, it looks 'way better than that silver! 
Mark in Oregon
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Strummer posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:Well the gold/ brass look can be fixed with thing wrapping kits from Michel's. What I need to know from my upcoming set in January is what paint to simulate the linseed graphite paint.
You could try this stuff...
I did the smokebox of the AF K5; you can see it (almost) matches the color of the earlier release Lionel H...in any case, it looks 'way better than that silver!
Mark in Oregon
Mark, that looks great. Did you tape off the black details like the piping or remove them to apply painting? Please share cause I am going to copy your moves!!!!
Thanks!
Just used blue painter's tape...
Mark in Oregon
