Lionel SD60E's are here!

I have the MTH version of 911, but I do ask, is that red on this Lionel version that way as it looks pinkish red in the video and photos. The real version I saw and also the MTH does not look like the red in the photos and video. 2 photos below are of what I saw in real life. As for the red on the Lionel Veterans looks better then the 911 Lionel version.

Does Lionel have 6 driven axles in these models?

Lionel sure did take the cheap route on the sounds. I have the veterans version coming and that will be my last engine I buy BTO. Still looking forward to getting it.

willygee posted:

Does Lionel have 6 driven axles in these models?

Unfortunately no, it has 4 wheel drive. 

It's pink and has bad sounds.  That's not bad for a post on a new engine an hour in existence with three replies to it.  It will only get better I'm sure ...  Cheers.

wrawroacx posted:

I have the MTH version of 911, but I do ask, is that red on this Lionel version that way as it looks pinkish red in the video and photos. The real version I saw and also the MTH does not look like the red in the photos and video. 2 photos below are of what I saw in real life. As for the red on the Lionel Veterans looks better then the 911 Lionel version.

 

I agree-I sure hope it's the lighting in the photos of the Lionel engines and the paint isn't that pinkish red-hope someone else will chime in and report.

Nick

wrawroacx posted:

I have the MTH version of 911, but I do ask, is that red on this Lionel version that way as it looks pinkish red in the video and photos. The real version I saw and also the MTH does not look like the red in the photos and video. 2 photos below are of what I saw in real life. As for the red on the Lionel Veterans looks better then the 911 Lionel version.

You are correct. The red is a little bit faded. However, that really does not bother me so much so the details do. I love how they included the intercooler fan ontop of the engine near the dynamic brake section and that they did the PTC boxes. 

Like everything, nothing is perfect on these units, but they are still very fine models and I'm glad I purchased them! 

Does the plow have openings for the air hoses?

Please tell me that flash is making the red look pink. You gotta be kidding me Lionel. Back they go!

Well it's official, MTH Wins

I love Lionel, but I think MTH really hit it out of the park on these engines despite not having the small cooling fan.

This is what happens when two manufacturers' versions of the same engine are released within (about) the same time...

I did not order the Lionel 9-1-1 loco and I certainly hope the color in those flash photos is way off because, looking at the photo, it is way way off. I did order Honoring Vets and that looks much more on target.

Scrappy

The bearing journals are incorrect (SD40-2), should be SD60 type like this:

Stirling,  Thank you for showing us your new Diesels, they are Beautiful. Also, they will make great additions to your Layout. To me the color is not an important factor, It's the message these 2 Engines say to America....We are a great Country, there are Many Men and Women serving our Wounded Veterans and Ordinary people like Us, "EVERYDAY"! 

Although there are lots of Mixed Views, Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder, Therefore, I Choose Lionel, Lionel's Legacy Command System is my Favorite Operating System.....

Lionel has presented to us their Versions of these Famous Locomotives, their choice of colors is fine, Legacy makes them Fun to Run, a lash up will be Crowd Stopping, Enjoy your new Engines.  Mine are on the way.....Wow!!! 

Happy Thanksgiving.....I will be in Legacy Station Friday after Thanksgiving Day.....Thank you for the neat video....

Let me see if I understand this. I am not very concerned with drive wheels but I AM very concerned with the number of wheels. Did Lionel put a four wheel truck on a six wheel truck loco?

Eliot

Scrapiron Scher posted:

Let me see if I understand this. I am not very concerned with drive wheels but I AM very concerned with the number of wheels. Did Lionel put a four wheel truck on a six wheel truck loco?

Eliot

No. They are a six wheel trucks.

I love it how posts like this bring out all the rivet counters who will find the littlest problems and that suddenly makes it a bad model.

leapinlarry posted:

Stirling,  Thank you for showing us your new Diesels, they are Beautiful. Also, they will make great additions to your World Class Layout, featured in Video 10, OGR THE VIDEO....To me the color is not an important factor, It's the message these 2 Engines say to America....We are a great Country, there are Many Men and Women serving our Wounded Veterans and Ordinary people like Us, "EVERYDAY"!

Lionel has presented to us their Versions of these Famous Locomotives, their choice of colors is fine, Legacy makes them Fun to Run, a lash up will be Crowd Stopping, Enjoy your new Engines.  Mine are on the way.....Wow!!! 

I enjoyed the video, Happy Thanksgiving.....I will be in Legacy Station Friday after Thanksgiving Day.....

Thanks Larry! I'm really happy with the engines personally and they were well worth the wait. What I'm looking forward to doing is lashing these units up with the NS (PRR) 1854 SD70ACe I got from you at the beginning of the year! That will look sharp!

I'm not quite sure what you mean about my layout though, I've never personally been featured in an OGR video nor has my layout as it's still under contruction. 

Sounds like the sounds they used are the same that are in my BN SD40-2. IIRC these are the same sounds they used in the SD60's from several years back as well. The bell is also the same, horns are different. While this isn't a bad sound set (it sounds very good at notch 8!), I'm not sure it's quite correct for the 60E. Could be wrong. But it kind of makes sense that Lionel would be consistent in putting the same sound set in similar locomotives.

I took some pictures of mine. I got both the Veteran's and First Responder's units.

While the 911 is lighter than the red on the Veteran's, it certainly IS red. Not pink like in the original pictures. I've very happy with the colors! The pictures posted above of the real engine are very dark. I think Lionel did a great job with the colors on both units.

Also, the trucks to me look great! All that looks off are the journal bearings, but like that is really that huge of a deal?

And yes, the trucks are 6 wheel. But Lionel made them 4-wheel powered. Like most diesels I see. Usually is due to the requirement of tight curves.

Overall, I'm quite happy with these engines! Good job Lionel.

Looks like i should of bought the mth ones instead of waiting on lionels  ..

Did they at least add the semi fixed pilots to these like the SD40's were released with? Looks like that is a no?

For what they're are charging, the sideframes should be correct. This is not marketed as 027 or LionChief.

Feels like 1982 again

SPSF posted:

For what they're are charging, the sideframes should be correct. This is not marketed as 027 or LionChief.

Feels like 1982 again

Looks pretty dang close to me! What is everyone complaining about? Oh wait... it's the bash Lionel forum. I forgot.

Not even close.  If we were talking Steam or F7s "close enough" would not cut it.

Time to quit short changing anyone who models 1970 - Present.

TrainingDave posted:

SPSF posted:

For what they're are charging, the sideframes should be correct. This is not marketed as 027 or LionChief.

Feels like 1982 again

Looks pretty dang close to me! What is everyone complaining about? Oh wait... it's the bash Lionel forum. I forgot.

You are obviously NOT looking closely enough at the journal boxes on the top (prototype) photo as compared to the journal boxes on the model (lower photo).

SDIV Tim posted:

Well it's official, MTH Wins

Actually, those of us who purchased the MTH models are the real winners.    For a much better price/performance point, we got a terrific looking model PLUS the added bonus of Wick Moorman's voice in the customized dialog sequences!  MTH went the extra mile with these models in terms of overall execution.  But folks with Legacy-exclusive control on their layouts at least have a chance to own the Lionel models too, albeit at a premium price.

David

The horn almost sounds like the one used in the first run of the UP Heritage SD70aces.   Which IMO sound horrible and nothing like the real one.  With that being I will wait to decide if I'm buying one until I see it in person.  

I just finished reviewing the January 2017 issue of OGRR as I am a digital subscriber. They did a review of the MTH version of the SD60E First Responders engine and the red looked just as faded as the Lionel engine on the first post on this thread. Maybe it is just a photography thing. 

When I was at York I took a look at the Lionel DM&IR SD38 which looked terrible in the post on the forum but looked a heck of a lot better on Charles Ro's display than in the pictures on the forum. Maybe it is worth looking at it in person.

JohnB

Well, after seeing Lionel's rendition I feel that I got more bang for my buck with the MTH engine. Especially the engine and horn sounds. You can really hear the turbo on the MTH engine.   

Wow, there are so many Mixed Views, I can say that, The Beauty of these Really Nice Diesels is in "THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER", I choose Lionel's Legacy versions as its my favorite Operating System....I am sure the colors will be fine, the couplers will be the new realistic version, the sounds will be a Fantastic...I will get mine December 8th.....Can't Wait!!!!! 

leapinlarry posted:

Wow, there are so many Mixed Views, I can say that, The Beauty of these Really Nice Diesels is in "THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER", I choose Lionel's Legacy versions as its my favorite Operating System....I am sure the colors will be fine, the couplers will be the new realistic version, the sounds will be a Fantastic...I will get mine December 8th.....Can't Wait!!!!! 

Larry,

These models are fantastic to me. I'm glad I got them and I'd buy them again! 

I finally had a chance to get my Lionel Veterans unit on the track. Crisp paint job (I saw Eric's video of the MTH 9-1-1 and was disappointed in the quality of the paint job around the cab). Accurate colors. Sounds are okay. Bit bummed about the trucks but not a deal breaker. 

As it's new tooling, switches are all topside which is always appealing.

And the horse is facing the right direction to boot! ;-)