I have a Lionel Santa Fe #2243 F3 that I bought to fix up. It's has everything but what puzzles me is that it has a black pilot with black truck frames. Is this normal or should it be a silver pilot with black truck frames.
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To my knowledge, they always had the silver pilots. Yours must be a repaint of some sort.
Lionelpostwarfan posted:To my knowledge, they always had the silver pilots. Yours must be a repaint of some sort.
Well it was held on with this instead of the stud and clip so I suspect it is either a repaint or a part off another road name. Will probably repaint to look original.
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Most likely the shell was put on the incorrect frame at some time prior to your acquisition. I have a 2367 Wabash with silver trucks on the A and B units. And, it is original that way, though not as was common. The shell also has portholes with the inserts. The common 1955 Wabash F3 has filled in portholes. Fact is, 1955 was first year for the Wabash and other filled-in portholes, last year for open portholes. The Wabash F3 I have came with a last year St Fe frame and was painted onto a "left over" St Fe shell. So, you do find them, and it is easy to change shells. Question, is it a single motor, or duel motor? 2243 engines were for 027 and had single motors. Also had black trucks as seen in attached pics, not silver as in the 2343 St Fe F3s. Jesse TCA
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texastrain posted:Most likely the shell was put on the incorrect frame at some time prior to your acquisition. I have a 2367 Wabash with silver trucks on the A and B units. And, it is original that way, though not as was common. The shell also has portholes with the inserts. The common 1955 Wabash F3 has filled in portholes. Fact is, 1955 was first year for the Wabash and other filled-in portholes, last year for open portholes. The Wabash F3 I have came with a last year St Fe frame and was painted onto a "left over" St Fe shell. So, you do find them, and it is easy to change shells. Question, is it a single motor, or duel motor? 2243 engines were for 027 and had single motors. Also had black trucks as seen in attached pics, not silver as in the 2343 St Fe F3s. Jesse TCA
Mine has a silver frame, closed portholes, black trucks, black pilot, and a single motor/single motor frame.
Yes, they are single motor for 027 sets. The pilot, all I have or have seen, have all been silver, and with black trucks. Yes, silver frame and closed port holes. Lionel ceased the open port holes in 1955, when they issued the Wabash 2367. The engines I have was evidently put together with left over St Fe F3 shells, and on a St Fe frame, hence the silver trucks. A "transition" piece pf F3s.
Jesse TCA
My 2243 had black trucks and I am pretty sure I recall a silver pilot. However in the sixty odd years since it was make a lot could have happened to yours.
Bill DeBrooke posted:My 2243 had black trucks and I am pretty sure I recall a silver pilot. However in the sixty odd years since it was make a lot could have happened to yours.
Very likely not the original truck.
