Here's a link to the official brochure.
The wheel slip is pretty darn cool! The video is below. Just wait for it to load.
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Real wheel slip should be interesting! I wonder if the rear wheel set is omitted the traction tires to make that possible?
Man that is going to be such an awesome feature! The 2-10-10-2 just has the sound effect but I love it. Actually being able to slip the wheels will be so cool.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Real wheel slip should be interesting! I wonder if the rear wheel set is omitted the traction tires to make that possible?
I think it would have to be without traction tires. I even suspect maybe the tender maybe "lifted" slightly to make it lighter. I guess we'll find out soon enough but wow that is cool.
With that many drivers why would you need traction tires to begin with?? All the articulated engines, IMO traction tires are not needed and I wish they would drop them on the big heavy engines.
@superwarp1 posted:With that many drivers why would you need traction tires to begin with?? All the articulated engines, IMO traction tires are not needed and I wish they would drop them on the big heavy engines.
Here's why I need traction tires on my articulated steamers. 
The video also demonstrates that Lionel already has at least 1 prototype built. It looks pretty cool. I bet the triplex will be a big seller.
Now the big question: is it pronounced like TRIP-lex, or TRY-plex. I use the latter.
That is interesting. I guess there was no way to make the Virginian right by it's wheel arrangement since it is the MTH tooling? I guess they would have to make a new tooling to accommodate that then, right?
This may be a really dumb question but would a feature like this eventually wear into the track rails being metal to metal contact? I'm assuming the outer rails of our track are hollow too these days.
Brad
That Halloween one glow in the dark is really really really cool though, too.
@Crazy Train definitely try-plex haha
@B rad maybe if you did it for hours and hours but that's just bad operating skills 
@B rad posted:This may be a really dumb question but would a feature like this eventually wear into the track rails being metal to metal contact? I'm assuming the outer rails of our track are hollow too these days.
Brad
I think you'd have to spin the wheels a lot to actually wear out the rails.
@Crazy Train posted:The video also demonstrates that Lionel already has at least 1 prototype built. It looks pretty cool. I bet the triplex will be a big seller.
Now the big question: is it pronounced like TRIP-lex, or TRY-plex. I use the latter.
According to my dictionary and the online one I use, both pronunciations are correct, so it is really up to individual preference. I prefer "TRY-plex" myself. And I think I'm in for the Halloween version...
Andy
Simulating a lightened fuel depleted tender with the wheel slip is an awesome effect. I am sure the wheels either lift a couple of mm off the track when they slip or are mounted that way. Traction tires would get chewed up and would be a bad idea if the wheels aren't lifted. I think the wheels will be flangeless and lifted for effect to avoid wheel and track damage.
One problem I see is the swinging bell. The lanyard tethered to it ought to draw back taught when the bell is pulled back but instead it goes slack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=widhPHbpv_U&t=8s
@MartyE posted:Here's a link to the official brochure.
The wheel slip is pretty darn cool! The video is below. Just wait for it to load.
Thats pretty nice. They've taken the MTH model to the next level. Be interested to know how the wheel slip actually works. Like what's supporting the front of the tender if the wheels are lifted.
I like the way they put the video links in the catalog brochure too. Nice feature.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Here's why I need traction tires on my articulated steamers.
LOL, solution to no traction tires. Lashup
@Dave 69 GTEL posted:One problem I see is the swinging bell. The lanyard tethered to it ought to draw back taught when the bell is pulled back but instead it goes slack.
Maybe a little piece of elastic could help fix that. Or a tiny spring.
@BillYo414 posted:Maybe a little piece of elastic could help fix that. Or a tiny spring.
Yes maybe they will make a simple change in production.
@Sean's Train Depot posted:Only question is will they get the Russian Iron color correct.
Well, that's always the wild card, no?
@Sean's Train Depot posted:Only question is will they get the Russian Iron color correct.
Hate to say it but that's the main reason I'm looking at 701 and 5016. I just don't trust the colors.
MR MUFFIN's has it listed for 2250.00
@Sean's Train Depot posted:Thats pretty nice. They've taken the MTH model to the next level. Be interested to know how the wheel slip actually works. Like what's supporting the front of the tender if the wheels are lifted.
I like the way they put the video links in the catalog brochure too. Nice feature.
Only question is will they get the Russian Iron color correct.
No lifting necessary. It's easy to do wheel slip. No traction tires on the tender drivers (which will have their own motor) and the wheels will slip easily on the rails. Just run the tender motor faster than the motor in the locomotive and bingo, slipping drivers. There is a 0.0000000001 chance the rails or drivers would be damaged by spinning, even tubular rails. The motor would burn out long before the drivers or rails would get any groves or damage.
@superwarp1 posted:MR MUFFIN's has it listed for 2250.00
Pretty much the going rate. I suspect this is the MAP pricing.
@Lou1985 posted:No lifting necessary. It's easy to do wheel slip. No traction tires on the tender drivers (which will have their own motor) and the wheels will slip easily on the rails. Just run the tender motor faster than the motor in the locomotive and bingo, slipping drivers. There is a 0.0000000001 chance the rails or drivers would be damaged by spinning, even tubular rails. The motor would burn out long before the drivers or rails would get any groves or damage.
This seems like the obvious answer.
I'm waiting for someone to make a custom run Blackbonnet Triplex.
They would probably go with the same Russian Blue they used on the recent Camelback. I think Lionel knows that they better get the Russian Blue right at this price point, especially since it's a crucial prototypical color or they will have a lot of very unhappy customers on their hands. So I would be interested in the Matt Shay #2603. The Halloween anyone?
The wheel slip is cool enough to me that I would love to get a pilot version, but I think I need to let my budget recover from the Dreyfuss, the ACWR cars, the 3rd Rail P32, and the Atlas Comet cars I have on order.
@superwarp1 posted:MR MUFFIN's has it listed for 2250.00
Charles Ro hasn't posted the listings yet but I haven't seen anyone beat their prices or shipping charges.
The wheel slip would have to be another motor or someway to double the speed of them, right? The MTH version everything was tied together from what I remember in Eric's video on his years ago. Any motor folks have an idea how that could be done?
@Dave 69 GTEL posted:Charles Ro hasn't posted the listings yet but I haven't seen anyone beat their prices or shipping charges.
They had them up when I just checked, they've knocked another $200 off, for $2049 as of 30 seconds ago.
Super set is the same as others.
@Lou1985 posted:No lifting necessary. It's easy to do wheel slip. No traction tires on the tender drivers (which will have their own motor) and the wheels will slip easily on the rails. Just run the tender motor faster than the motor in the locomotive and bingo, slipping drivers. There is a 0.0000000001 chance the rails or drivers would be damaged by spinning, even tubular rails. The motor would burn out long before the drivers or rails would get any groves or damage.
To me it looks like the wheel slippage is only when it’s stopped initially. So to me it appears they don’t apply power to the front motors thus “ locking” them in place. That is why it looks like it’s lifting. The rear tender motor is applying power to non traction tire wheels thus probably slightly “pushing” the front forward and up ever so slightly. Then the front powers up and the rears gain traction slowly.
edit: just rewatched and it happens also in motion. So fully agree to quote above. Motor in tender spins faster on non traction tire wheels on command.
@Dave 69 GTEL posted:The Halloween anyone?
That glow in the dark thing is really cool if I'm being honest. I think it's over the top and that's why I like it! But it doesn't fit in with my operations at all haha
@MartyE posted:Here's a link to the official brochure.
The wheel slip is pretty darn cool! The video is below. Just wait for it to load.
Funny, on one of the very early TMCC videos, in the 1990s, Lionel demonstrated wheel slip as well. But I only saw it demonstrated in that one video.
Agreed, wheel slip is cool. However, I would have liked to have seen more steam effects from the cylinders like other Visionline engines. Other than the wheelslip, whistle smoke and swinging bell (Legacy features) there is no new visual effect that makes this Vi$ionline worthy. I hope at least they put another speaker up front. Still though just a tarted up MTH Premier model.
Is LCCA doing a special offering of this engine?
Terrance
"Still though just a tarted up MTH Premier model. "
Makes a command control Triplex available to those who want to use TMCC/Legacy, something which wasn't possible previously.
@Obsidian posted:Agreed, wheel slip is cool. However, I would have liked to have seen more steam effects from the cylinders like other Visionline engines. Other than the wheelslip, whistle smoke and swinging bell (Legacy features) there is no new visual effect that makes this Vi$ionline worthy. I hope at least they put another speaker up front. Still though just a tarted up MTH Premier model.
I really didn't look at any of the features since this engine has no interest for me. I'm not at all sure what else they could possibly pop in it to make it more of a Vision Line engine. What would you want them to pop in there that is or isn't a feature on other engines? Remember that there is only so much room in and about for things. Was it that engines with cylinder steam effect didn't have whistle steam?
@Obsidian posted:Agreed, wheel slip is cool. However, I would have liked to have seen more steam effects from the cylinders like other Visionline engines.
I also dig the steam cylinder effects. But I think real estate in the boiler is the big killer. I also have to wonder how many smoke units a locomotive can support without frying things from too much current running through. Is that a factor?
@Terrance posted:Is LCCA doing a special offering of this engine?
Terrance
Yup, a Lionel Lines version in the bottom corner on page 8. Pr# 2401330
