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A message from the executive director at the  Virginia Museum of Transportation  To 611's friends all over the world:   It's been about three weeks since our big announcement about our plans to study the restoration and operation of the N&W Class J 611. We have been overwhelmed with your response, and we thank you! To date, 3,300 people have completed our survey 2,500 people have signed up for this newsletter Donations have been received from 29 states and four foreign counties Your enthusiasm is essential as we go forward with this study! Our initial investigation of 611 indicates that she's in pretty good shape, having been retired with care by the same individuals who are working now to study her restoration. This situation gives us confidence that a restoration may be possible, but that is not the only hurdle we face in moving forward.   If we are to operate 611, we have to be prepared to maintain her. With no shop facilities available in Roanoke, it is becoming obvious to the study committee that we will need to build a shop in order to provide the care she will require. This cost will have to be included in the amount we would need to raise before 611 can run again. We are now looking into the requirements for such a facility.   The potential logistics of operating 611 is the third big question under study. Your survey responses and comments are helping us understand the kinds of excursions that would be popular and what ticket prices would be reasonable. We must take all of that into account as we put together a business plan. The bottom line is that the Virginia Museum of Transportation does not have funding that can underwrite excursions.  Ticket sales must be able to cover our costs. Our hope is to be able to establish a reasonable ticket price that will enable the trips to operate at a profit-with all profits going back to support the Museum's stewardship of 611.   We are so excited with your enthusiastic response to our dream to Fire Up 611! The comments on the survey and the donations received to date inspire us, and let us know how deeply you care. Please continue to share our news with everyone you know. Ask them to visit FireUp611.org and take our survey.     Beverly T. Fitzpatrick, Jr. Executive Director Virginia Museum of Transportation   What you're thinking.What you're saying. Fire Up 611 Initial Survey Results   Over 3,000 people have taken our Fire Up 611 Survey. The survey responses will help the Fire Up 611 Committee decide if operating the Class J 611 can be successful.   Here are the initial results:  92% are male  78% are extremely interested in trains (Only 4 people are not very interested in trains. Don't worry. We'll get them to love the Class J 611.)  84% are fans of steam locomotives  74% are fans of the Class J 611  43% have ridden a steam excursion more than 10 times 47% have never been to VMT 75% plan to make a donation if the study's results are positive      In your words...  Our favorite comments from  the Fire Up 611 Survey    I am filling this out while on a rail tour of England. Do I get the   Photo courtesy of Jeff Hawkins. prize for responding while furthest away from Roanoke?   (We've had respondents from Australia and New Zealand, too!)      611 has, and always will be one of my favorite steam locomotives. Despite being born a few years late to see her operate, I was finally able to see her on display in 2011. It was quite an experience, being able to stand "eye to eye" with the beast, viewing the fine craftsmanship of an era long gone. I very much so look forward to her restoration, so not only those who currently appreciate the 611's true power and beauty can see her in operation, but so those of a younger generation can see what made American railroading, and craftsmanship so wonderful.          It is very important to preserve some portion of this country's history and steam railroading history. For education & enjoyment. You never know what will trigger the mind of a young person to learn and grow.      This survey gave me cause to reflect. I have looked at the photos of myself at Roanoke in 1984 with N&Ws finest (and the H8, the GG1 and so much more). 611 looks as young and fit as she ever was...I seem to have aged some (but my wife is still as beautiful as she was then...just like 611).          First 611,then 1218 again plus the UP Big Boy. Then we scan for others. (lots of people are asking us to restore a Big Boy. There's just one problem with that...)          Thank you for looking into this engine. It's nice to see there are people that don't look at steam engines as junk. I hope this works out for the 611.        I am glad to see that this project is being considered. Time for us railfans to put up or shut up with our griping of, "The 611 needs to be restored." I hope to see the 611 steaming again in the near future. I don't care how long it takes, as long as its done properly, she deserves only the best.      The museum should be commended for finally bringing this to the table. The 611 should be "alive" and doing what it is intended to do. It should be a rolling museum instead of a museum piece. Thanks for your consideration.         Thank you for your efforts to get this National Treasure going again! You are my heroes!          Please hurry as I am getting older.          It's easy for me to remember how much my son weighed at birth: 6lbs 11oz.   I've been waiting for this day since 1994. I'm 50 years old and before I pass on I hope and pray I get to see and hear the 611 steam through the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia! Thanks and Good Luck!       My son has also asked that we put his allowance towards this...
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As huge of a N&W fan that I am, there is no way that they are going to be able to build a shop out of donations and no way that they will be able to turn a profit just from ticket sales.  There is nothing that would make me happier than to see her under steam again but there is no way it will happen w/o some large corporate donations.

 

Chris

The part where the museum needs their own shop is a major worry because of the cost.Isn't there a steam engine workshop roundhouse a millionaire is building that the work could be done at?I heard there is a steam engine roundhouse being built,but don't know the details.Maybe the museum will consider having the shop work done somewhere they already have the equipment.I have a feeling the museum will figure out a way to get the 611 under steam again sometime soon.

Dan  

Originally Posted by Dan986:

The part where the museum needs their own shop is a major worry because of the cost.

The part from the previous ,"bring back 611" thread that is a bigger worry. If they don't raise enough money, what money they do raise would get rolled into the operating their current museum. This could all be a publicity stunt.

Originally Posted by Dan986:

The part where the museum needs their own shop is a major worry because of the cost.Isn't there a steam engine workshop roundhouse a millionaire is building that the work could be done at?I heard there is a steam engine roundhouse being built,but don't know the details.Maybe the museum will consider having the shop work done somewhere they already have the equipment.I have a feeling the museum will figure out a way to get the 611 under steam again sometime soon.

Dan  

http://www.ageofsteamroundhouse.com/index.html

 

The first two lines from what I assume is the AOSR Mission Statement:

The Roundhouse will seek to:

  1. Preserve the steam locomotives, historic diesels, passenger cars and other railroad relics in the collection of Jerry Joe Jacobson
  2. Construct a full-scale, operating and realistic roundhouse and back shop to overhaul, repair and maintain Jerry’s rolling stock

Judging by his collection and goals, he's already got his hands full.  Mr. Jacobson is under no obligation to become a contract rebuilder.

 

Rusty

It seems to me that Norfolk Southern is interested in doing this and is using the museum to gauge the public interest.  This latest statement, by the museum, seems to be a ploy to let NS know what is really required and that donations and ticket sales cannot cover the cost.  It is now up to NS to foot the bill or give up. 

This suddenly seems to be getting a little fuzzy and the goalposts are beginning to move.  Right now, VMT seems long on emotion and short on a plan.

 

At least with the LI 35, the press release stated the financing, rebuilding and operational goals up front.

 

I hope both projects succeed, but like any "This Old House" project, restoration of either one is going to cost more than anticipated.

 

Rusty

Rusty, I agree that the LI 35 program sounds much better which only makes sense when you know the great history of the Strasburg Railroad.  You would think a large corporation, like Norfolk Southern, would know how to do as a good, or better, of a job planning this.  They are already starting to lose some of the good publicity that's been generated.

Zac, I completely agree with you that the VMT seems to be doing everything right.  I just think Norfolk Southern needs to do more to help this be a realistic effort.  The more they need to do is provide the bulk of the money for restoration and operation plus provide the facilities required.  I think they need to fund at least 90%.

I agree, 630 and 765 are enough for the amount of excursions planed. With 4501 debuting this fall NS will have more than enough steam power on their hands. 611 is a great locomotive but I know for a fact donations and tickets will not be enough to cover the restoration cost. Maybe we should just ask Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or perhaps Donald Trump to cover the cost (just a little humor) With the current CEO/President of NS retiring in 2016 I will be very interested in seeing what is going to become of the program. If 611 is not up and running he may just foot the bill himself! we may never know. Then their is the negative side that he might become like CSX and say NO STEAM ALLOWED. Which I hope will not happen NS has always allowed steam on their line even when the program has not been operating such as when 4501 went and filmed October Sky in 1998, even then she was under steam for the ferry move.  We will just have to wait and see! 

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