We still do not know if the Grand Trunk Western will be in the 1960's scheme.
Atlas O announced the GTW 1940's and 1950's scheme and will have it produced someday.
Both companies can not do the same scheme so close together after all these years. We can only buy so many GTW F3 units before the paint schemes and numbers overlap.
Andrew
I emailed Atlas on the GTW F3 paint scheme and they said it would be the Green/Yellow as per the second paint scheme.Were as the delivered version was Green/Gold
My guess is that The Canadian National and the Grand Trunk Western F3 A units will both be in the 1960's scheme. This will make the locomotives easier to mask. Change the nose logo from CN to GT and the number fonts are the same.
Is that the plan?
Andrew
Santa Fe blue freight F3's will have to be Phase IV, as ATSF only had two 4-unit locomotives, 200L-A-B-C and 201 L-A-B-C, both of which were built in late 1948 and had GE fabricated grilles.
I'm still waiting for 3rd Rail to tell us what phase they will be doing.
Why is the GTW Grand Trunk Western F3 A-unit the only one with NO artwork?
Andrew
Number 90 posted:Santa Fe blue freight F3's will have to be Phase IV, as ATSF only had two 4-unit locomotives...
Tom,
While Jonathan in the past alluded to the possibility of other phases, the lack of updates indicates to me there will only be Phase IV units, possibly re-using most of their F7 molds.
For me, I'm now pushing Atlas to reissue their Phase II units in PRR colors.
I can confirm: We are only producing Phase 4 and 5 so we can use our F7 tooling as a base. Earlier phases require completely new tools, too expensive for a short run. We will update the sides of the Loco to be accurate to these phases.
Please provide me a picture of the GTW you think is correct for these Phases of F3s. I am no expert in GTW. I will then post it on our web site.
Scott - China
Here is what I have found on the web about the GTW Phase 4 EMD F3
GTW 9027
https://www.thedieselshop.us/Data%20EMD%20F5.HTML
GTW 9027 and GTW 9023
http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=2087629
http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=2087628
Grand Trunk Western diesel roster
https://www.thedieselshop.us/GTW.HTML
GTW 9016-9027 were built in September 1948
Andrew
Should I just order the Grand Trunk Western F3 A-unit and gamble on what I might get for a paint scheme.
Andrew
GTW has been removed from the reservation list. We only got 1 order. Sorry
The following other roads were removed from the list as well. We will notify customers giving them the option to move their order to other roads, cancel or just let it sit for a possible run in the future. But frankly, when they don't get enough reservations in the first run, it's doubtful that it will be done in a second run. Jonathan and I are working on better images of the remaining roads to give customers a better idea of what they are ordering.
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Really, really trying to find a way to pay for these bad boys. We still looking at early 2019 for delivery Scott?
Yes, F3s coming 2019 now.
Scott,
Can you tell me the road numbers for the ACL F3s and E6s.
Thanks,
". . .working on better images of the remaining roads to give customers a better idea of what they are ordering."
Go ahead Scott, go and show Lionel up by showing us what we're ordering like the actual colors . . .
If you offered the SOO LINE F3 A and B units in the 1960's scheme then I would have to spend more dollars.
I'll be the first to admit we don't always get colors right, but we try to get it right very hard. We have a library of colors now, but even with that the factory goofs up, sometimes big time... If there is a mistake on a drawing that I don't catch, any corrections are on us. So no one is showing anyone up. We just do what we do as good as we can.
I can tell you this, I don't forget when I make a mistake and pay the price with cancellations and flogging. I won't make the same mistake twice, but there are always new one's to deal with. Sucks being human.
We haven't decided the engine numbers for Es or Fs until we get down to the painting and lettering drawings. Some of the numbers are suggested by our customers. So if you have suggestions email them to me or Jonathan.
sdmann posted:I can tell you this, I don't forget when I make a mistake and pay the price with cancellations and flogging. I won't make the same mistake twice, but there are always new one's to deal with. Sucks being human.
Maybe I can save you some grief on the PRR F3's.
All but 2 (9518 and 9519) had passenger style pilots. ALL PRR F3's had the smaller streamlined number boards. The first 6 A's (9500 thru 9505) had high fans, all others had low fans. All had only one horn from the factory. None had steam generators. The A's were factory equipped with coupler doors.
Don't say you weren't told! 
Simon
PS: The single headlight is tilted slightly back toward the windshield, and is NOT vertical to the tracks. It pretty much follows the slope of the front of the nose going down toward the anti-climber.
Simon Winter posted:All but 2 (9518 and 9519) has passenger style pilots. ALL PRR F3's had the smaller streamlined number boards. The first 6 A's (9500 thru 9505) had high fans, all others had low fans. All had only one horn from the factory. None had steam generators. The A's were factory equipped with coupler doors.
Simon,
3rd Rail is only doing the F3 Phase IV, and they plan to use as much of its F7 tooling as possible. The photo of the PRR F3 on its web site shows the large number boards, but I assume the actual model will have the correct small, streamlined 4-digit boards. For all roads, I also assume the F7's dynamic brake fan will be replaced by the F3's two rectangular screened exhaust vents.
AtlasO never released a PRR version of its F3 models. I believe this was because of the PRR's streamlined number boards. The cost of modifying the mold for one road was probably too high. Hopefully 3rd Rail gets it's PRR version right for those who want this engine.
I am holding out for a correct F3 Phase II/III with the chicken wire. Maybe someone will make this before I'm gone.
S
Since we are using our F7 tool as a base for our F3s, the headlight will be the same as our F7s, slightly tilted back. Drawing below is of the F7 nose.
Jonathan did provide me a matrix for F3s. The PRR is PHASE IV, with grills not chicken wire. And the number boards are the small FT style. Fans are low and there are to be antenna and other PRR specific details added such as lift rings and single horn.
Freight Pilot (SF style) shown.
The pilot in that drawing is a freight pilot and would be incorrect. Yeah, almost all PRR freight engines had the so called passenger pilots!
Simon
This may have been asked before, and I apologize if answered previously. Has anyone operated 3rd rail locomotives with Atlas, MTH or Lionel? I know the 3rd Rail models may be better in terms of detailing, but I am looking strictly at operation. Has anyone run 3rd rail in a consist with other manufacturers? MTH tethers might be a problem, though.
Larry Neal posted:Has anyone operated 3rd rail locomotives with Atlas, MTH or Lionel? Has anyone run 3rd rail in a consist with other manufacturers? MTH tethers might be a problem, though.
I realize this is a diesel topic, but here is my experience with 3rd Rail steam.
Most of my 3rd Rail engines, all steam, have been upgraded with ERR so my experience may differ from others. Basically, my 3rd Rail engines run at very different speeds from Lionel Legacy/TMCC engines for the same speed step. I have not even been able to run different types of 3rd Rail engines together.
I have not tried running any Legacy or TMCC engine with a DCS PS2/3 engine. Not even sure it would work. Not sure what the tethers between MTH engines has to do with double heading/MU consist.
My only Atlas steamer is its switcher, which I have not tried double heading with anything. My two Atlas diesels are AA and AB consists
Diesels may be easier to MU different manufacturers.
Ron, put you upgraded locos into 100 speed step mode. do thsi by pressing "AUX1 0, AUX1 0 BOOST". They are most likely in 32 speed step mode
sdmann posted:GTW has been removed from the reservation list. We only got 1 order. Sorry
The following other roads were removed from the list as well. We will notify customers giving them the option to move their order to other roads, cancel or just let it sit for a possible run in the future. But frankly, when they don't get enough reservations in the first run, it's doubtful that it will be done in a second run. Jonathan and I are working on better images of the remaining roads to give customers a better idea of what they are ordering.
GTW MILW SP&S DEMO MOPAC
Is there a similar update for the E6 roads?
Jtrain posted:
Is there a similar update for the E6 roads?
At this point, the E6 is moving forward with most of the runs. The only one I know that isn't going forward is the Seafoam Green SAL units, but the Citrus scheme is moving forward.
We've been through a few rounds of QC on the base tooling drawings, the road specific detail matrix has been completed, and it's into painting diagrams soon.
Better F3 images will be in Scott's hands by the weekend. I promised!
Jtrain posted:sdmann posted:GTW has been removed from the reservation list. We only got 1 order. Sorry
The following other roads were removed from the list as well. We will notify customers giving them the option to move their order to other roads, cancel or just let it sit for a possible run in the future. But frankly, when they don't get enough reservations in the first run, it's doubtful that it will be done in a second run. Jonathan and I are working on better images of the remaining roads to give customers a better idea of what they are ordering.
GTW MILW SP&S DEMO MOPAC Is there a similar update for the E6 roads?
What is the cutoff date to order F3s? Have you met the number needed for the ACL units?
Matt,
All my TMCC engines are set to 32 speed steps to use the real railroad speeds (or whatever Lionel calls it). However, when I tried to run engines together I tried both 32 speed step and 100 speed step settings. Running my 3rd Rail L1 (factory ERR) with my K-Line scale L2 (ERR upgrade) their speeds were too different to run together. I also tried running my 3rd Rail N1 (ERR upgrade) with the 3rd Rail L1 as well as Lionel TMCC scale Y3 (32 speed step only). One was always noticeably faster than the other. Different gearing?
I did run my early Atlas Erie Built (with TAS EOB upgrade) with my Weaver Passenger Sharks (factory TAS Cruise Commander), although not connected. After adjusting the momentum on them, I got them fairly close but not close enough for me to try together. I was concerned I might damage one of them.
Maybe I'm overly cautions, but unless the engines run very close to the same speed while not connected, I don't double head/MU them.
Simon Winter posted:The pilot in that drawing is a freight pilot and would be incorrect. Yeah, almost all PRR freight engines had the so called passenger pilots!
Simon
We are aware that the pilot is not correct on the drawing. That is not the F3 drawing that is specific to the PRR F3. The slab pilot will be correct along with other PRR specific details.
GG1 4877 posted:Jtrain posted:
Is there a similar update for the E6 roads?
At this point, the E6 is moving forward with most of the runs. The only one I know that isn't going forward is the Seafoam Green SAL units, but the Citrus scheme is moving forward.
We've been through a few rounds of QC on the base tooling drawings, the road specific detail matrix has been completed, and it's into painting diagrams soon.
Better F3 images will be in Scott's hands by the weekend. I promised!
Do you plan on using any train names on the ACL purple E6s? Thinking of The Champion, Tamiami Champion, Florida Special, or Vacationer. These were used during 40s before the E6s received mechanical and panel upgrades in early 50s.
Would be great to see the 501 made with The Champion on the nose.
GG1 4877 posted:Jtrain posted:
Is there a similar update for the E6 roads?
At this point, the E6 is moving forward with most of the runs. The only one I know that isn't going forward is the Seafoam Green SAL units, but the Citrus scheme is moving forward.
We've been through a few rounds of QC on the base tooling drawings, the road specific detail matrix has been completed, and it's into painting diagrams soon.
Better F3 images will be in Scott's hands by the weekend. I promised!
Thanks Jonathan. Will the SAL E6 Citrus be yellow roof (early) or green roof (late)? Will the CB&Q E5 be black nose (early) or red nose (late) stripes?
sdmann posted:
SAL Citrus like this.
ACL Decals: Perhaps we can make decals for customers to customize themselves.
Scott
Thanks!
Will the CB&Q E5 be black nose stripes (early) or red nose stripes (late)?
Thanks for bringing the ACL train names up and thanks Scott for finding a perfect solution. I have been waiting years for this E6 to be done accurately and I am now so close to that dream being fulfilled.Hope the ACL, SAL citrus, and the FEC make the reservation requirements.
Leon
Customer just emailed me about the E6 SAL, looks like we have enough reservations to do both SAL in Sea Foam and Citrus. Scott
sdmann posted:Customer just emailed me about the E6 SAL, looks like we have enough reservations to do both SAL in Sea Foam and Citrus. Scott
While I am interested in the E6 too, I really wish the F3 was going to be made first. Any chance of bumping the F3 production ahead of the E6? 😁
Jtrain posted:sdmann posted:Customer just emailed me about the E6 SAL, looks like we have enough reservations to do both SAL in Sea Foam and Citrus. Scott
While I am interested in the E6 too, I really wish the F3 was going to be made first. Any chance of bumping the F3 production ahead of the E6? 😁
As the saying goes .... that train has already left the station! 
It was pulled by an E6 in original Citrus scheme and an E5 in black stripes.
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