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Hey, All

What do you guys think of this move by Kader.

The real question is what will Walter think of this move.

Aren't you glad there are no ore cars on the list, John?    

 

Then again... if there were, it doesn't seem like they'd be priced at $10/each like RMT had a couple of years ago.    Now THAT was truly a once in a lifetime deal.  

 

David

I don't think we'll see those prices any time soon again.

 

I would say that RMT placed a big order with this manufacturer. Then, when the bill came due, RMT either couldn't, or wouldn't pay it. Now, Kader is dumping the inventory to recover their manufacturing costs. I hate to say it, but this probably spells the end of RMT, when their current stock is depleted.

I was going to say "let the speculation begin" and you just beat me with the post!

No speculation needed.  We have all been in this hobby long enough to recognize an ominous sign when we see it.  A manufacturer dumping the only authorized distributers products does not bode well for the distributor.  Someone explain how this could be anything but bad (except for us as buyers).  BigRail

Agreed, seems a rather ominous turn of events pertaining to the RMT/Kader relationship--I was referring to the particular circumstances that gave rise to it. 

Who is going to order these items?

 

Andrew

I loved the passenger sets at these prices.  Was broke when he had the big blowout sale so I hope to get some.

I will be ordering a couple sets of the streamliner passenger car sets

Sorry for my lack of knowledge...but can someone give me some explanation on who Kader is and where RMT comes in...I have always been a fan of K-Line products and still love to find and collect them...any info/past history on what this sale is about would be appreciated....

Joe, long story short, Kader when it was Sanda Kan, made the majority of the K-Line products. When K-Line went belly up, they owned millions to Sanda Kan, so Sanda Kan (now Kader) got possession of the tooling to do with as they see fit.

 

Pat, this sure sounds like what some have guessed, as an inventory dumping. But who really knows.

 

What it really says folks, is just how hard it is to be in this 3-rail business in a truly saturated small market that is now more diverse than ever. At one time, 3-rail was pretty much traditionally sized. Now it's also scale, and then add in all the various technology features from different companies.

 

I'd gather sales are soft on everything. I've seen reduced prices on starter sets and some rolling stock, but not like years past. Lionel is monitoring production figures much more closely on everything. And RMT has been sending out emails with reduced prices on stuff, that doesn't appear to be selling even at lower prices. The BEEF is already advertised as being discontinued forever, so it obviously was kind of a dud, sales-wise. He should have made it more traditional in size and features like the BEEP.

 

This is where Menards seems to have their finger right directly on the pulse of the current buyer, at least concerning price.

 

And remember, even if an item has individual strong sales, the quantities being made are much smaller. Like it or not, call it what you will, but the built to order model is here to stay until there is such growth in the market to warrant otherwise.

Looks like product that was manufactured for RMT but for whatever reason did not get there. The Streamliner prices are very attractive.

 

    Bill T.

good morning

 

have sent email

 

thank you

 

jerry

I didn't see anything on the order that called my name.

For those who have Snap-Track it looks like a chance for switches. Have they sold it anywhere else? A deceased friend had loops of it for his Christmas layout.

Wow those are retail prices..Definitely a deal but sad to see. Hopefully all those that pre-paid RMT/Walter don't loose out.. It looks like the market continues to be flooded with product..

It seems like most, if not all, of the items listed are on the RMT website showing a 2016 availability.  These items being offered are a one for one match so somethings up.  They are definitely RMT products (or were).  BigRail

Quick question, as K-Line's demise pre-dates my involvement in O: would the rolling stock be scale or traditionally sized?  Thanks. 

 

- Neal

       
       
K-Line went both ways... producing terrific scale aluminum passenger cars and scale aluminum tankers.  Ore cars could fit both types of layouts.  Other stuff was strictly traditional.  The stuff here appears to be traditional-sized.

David

You can go way back to 1946 but when a medium/large manufacturer/distributor goes "direct sales", they always fail.  I can't think of any that has survived that sales strategy. General Models, Scale-Craft, Marx (circa 2001) and many in between.

 

Also keep in mind that both Atlas and Lionel were offered the K-line tooling then took a pass after dealing with Kader.  They knew something, n'est pas?

 

J2M

 

Who owns Backman/Williams? If it is Kadar why don't they market it using BW?

Good question! Maybe a contract provision regarding liquidation of stock.  On the other hand Williams/Bachman have their own product plan for the former K-Line products and if these are short runs made for RMT then silly to introduce as a Williams/Bachman product.

It looks like a mix. Most of the items seem to be traditional size, but the billboard reefers that K-Line made were scale size: Doggie Dinner and the like.

 

 

OLR125	REEFER MERCHANTS BISCUIT 6461923	$29.99
	OLR126	REEFER MERCHANTS BISCUIT 6192311	$29.99
	OLR127	REEFER MCLAHNERY CREAMERY 6461924	$29.99
	OLR128	REEFER MCLAHNERY CREAMERY 6192411	$29.99
	OLR129	REEFER WILSON 6462925	$29.99
	OLR130	REEFER WILSON 6192511	$29.99
	OLR131	REEFER IGA FOOD 6461926	$29.99
	OLR132	REEFER IGA FOOD 6192611	$29.99
	OLR133	REEFER A & P FOOD 6161927	$29.99
	OLR134	REEFER A & P FOOD 6192711	$29.99
	OLR135	REEFER DOGGIE DINNER 6461928	$29.99
	OLR136	REEFER DOGGIE DINNER 6192811

Roy, I have the doggie dinner and it's scale. very close to Atlas in quality. don

Thanks, Pat!  I appreciate you posting this info.

Hey, Guys

We will have a nice supply of these items. We do not have any pictures yet. I will post pictures as soon as I can get them. Thanks for all of the orders. I wanted to give the OGR members first shot at these items.

Thanks

Pat

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I have the Swift / Armour and UP reefers and they are definitely not scale.

If some are scale I'd like too know before I place an order.

 

Thanks Tom N 

Kader owns Bachmann and Sanda Kan.  This looks like all the RMT stuff that was due out in 2016.  Seems that RMT will be history soon.  Not surprising, every week I get emails from them about fantastic, stupendous, incredible sales.  Like the Sunday car dealer ads.

His latest e-mail had Beeps at just under a 100, I don't really see that as much of a sale.

       
Generally speaking, I think the only RMT rolling stock that would qualify as having "scale dimensions" are the ore cars.  And I don't see any of those listed here.  So the stuff here is what I'd call traditional-sized 6464-style rolling stock.  If in doubt, I'd ask your dealer.

David

Don, do you have any pics? Sad that this institution is no longer...

 

 

Update: Oops! wrong Doggie Dinner...

 

That's what I figured.

He killed his dealer network that would help carry his inventory and sell it. Tough to go it alone. His plan was flawed from the beginning. I hope no members loose out..But I will be surprised if you don't hear from him once his existing inventory is gone.. Bad business model.. 

Pat, are those prices listed the prices at which you are selling, or what you will be paying?   They are titled as "cost," leading me to believe that it the wholesale cost to retailers.

 

Free shipping?  Quantity discounts available?