Petition for MTH or Lionel to make an R143 subway model

If the train manufacturers determine that these is a market for it, I'm sure that it will be produced. From what I understand, a minimum run of 5000 units would be necessary to make production possible.

there is already a subway market in o gauge nth has been making subways since 1999,it would be nice if lionel made it because they have the license and they have been putting whole routes in the sounds and thats pretty neat

There's less than 100 subway buyers along with a bad economy. I don't see any investment by MTH toward new tooling at this point.

I agree with Sirt. There has to be enough interest in a model to even consider new tooling. I don't see any new tooling being done in this climate with maybe the exception of the European line. Another thing to consider is manufactures want to get "mileage"out of the new tooling with being able to produce a model with more than one paint scheme or road name. I've been waiting for a Boston subway to be produced but I think it's going to be a long wait if at all.

Steve, you kill me man. People get to talking, have hope of this or that, and you pop in and burst the bubble like the Grim Reaper. Your right but its funny.

 

OK, I'll bite! what's the difference between the R142 and the R143 besides the purchase number?

Good to know subway sales are doing well Charley. Looking forward to seeing a bunch of new OGR subway forum members starting to post.

Guess I received some incorrect information from a generally reliable source.

Love to see the O subway line continue on. I’m sure HO will really do well too.

That is good news. I'm not an HO guy but I'm sure it will be pretty cool!

I hope MTH re release the R32's, it would be nice since the newer people that are into the hobby want them but can't afford the eBay prices, mth should continue to make O scale subways as well, hopefully they do, HO scale is good but I would like to see more O scale models, I don't think Lionel is gonna make a subway set for awhile but it would be nice if they did a vision Line version of an R32

YOU CAN STILL FIND SOME R62 SETS ON EBAY FROM TIME TO TIME.THEY SHOW UP ON EBAY.JUST KEEP CHECKING OR PLACE A EMAIL ALERT ON YOUR EBAY ACCOUNT.

The R143 (and R143a) are longer cars for the B Division (IND and BMT lines).  They were built by Kawasaki.

 

Stuart

 

 

The R 143 are Longer and wider than the 142 and 142a.  The R143 is 60 feet long compared to 51 feet for the 142 series. The 142 series is 8' 9" wide and the R143 is 9' 9" wide     The R142 and 142A are almost identical  Some differences on the undercarriage give them away  They were built by two different manufacturers  Bombardier and Kawasaki.  

The R143 and R160 are very similar  Some small differences like the location of the flag and the front steps give it away

 

R142a

 

 

 

R142

 

 

 

R143  - Flag below logo and front step angled

 

 

 

R160  Flag above logo and front step straight

 

 

Mike Wolf probably wound not spend his companies money to have any new dies made for NYC Subway Cars unless he get a new contract from the New York State MTA.

As for Lionel the same probably holds true as they are nearing the end of their contract with the NYS MTA. In their 2014 catalog Lionel plans to produce a set of M-7 railroad cars but they are listed as being subway cars. It was interesting to see that MTH plans to build a NYC Subway Car set (R-17s) in sheet metal for standard gauge, nice.

Next week MTH will announce their first HO scale version subway sets. The Tinplate one is selling but remains to see how well it will do. A better picture of a prototype will be at the next York.

First, you WILL see another M-7 set from Lionel. I too asked to do an exclusive for a run in the 4 figures and they also said no and for good reason. We sell alot of starter sets and they were afraid that these would cut into those sales and I am sure they are correct. So rather than make it a special set we will see it again in the future. Hopefully this time with dual motors to pull all the cars.

SIRI

I have emailed both companies about both trains multiple times (MTH 6 times and Lionel 8 times). Till this day I still get the same mediocre response " we will consider your suggestion for the future." It's frustrating because I have been emailing them since 2009 about these trains, after a while I just gave up.

I have the Lionel LIRR M7 set. Its a starter set tho, I wish MTH would make a scale version of the M7 in Metro North and LIRR. even a M3 would be cool.

I have the MTH R40slant set its the most gorgeous detail I have ever seen in Ogauge subways.And the R42 is the same as the R40 but with out the slants.I'm really surprised that the same tooling too be used for the r42.MTH sould make a premier version of the 42's.

I AGREE,I HAVE 2 ADD ON SETS,THEY ARE REALLY NICE

it seems like they just dont care for us city subway lovers anymore , actually nyc made it this far look at other cities like Chicago, they only got 2 or 3 subway sets produced for them