Problem w/ Legacy and new Loco

Anyone have any thoughts?

I'd give code 1 a try, then maybe 74.  Right now you're faced with sending it back if you can't get it running, can't see how you can screw it up more.

I was under the impression that new Legacy locomotives no longer responded to that reset code, but who knows.

thanx john...I'll give it a try....it kind of upsets me...I ran it once for about a half hour....then this crap...

Nick

Does the manual list a reset command? Does it respond to conventional power? (Turn off/unplug the command base and power the track up)

Manual reset doesn't work tried it a bunch of times. Haven't tried to run it conventionaly. I just got off the phone with Lionel and they said to try reprogramming it with the aux code #1. I'll try that when I get to the club later. I asked about aux code #74 and they said that only applied to TMCC.

Nick B.

Tried it already...multiple times...doesn't work..but thank you anyway.

I had very similar symptoms a couple weeks ago after deleting two new engines from the base, then trying to start all over.  First engine went fine.  The second engine responded to the Set button, but I couldn't get any sounds, movement or whatever after that.

Turns out, in all my excitement in getting everything back to normal, I forgot to slide the Run/Program button back to Run.

I'm not saying this is your problem, but the symptoms are the same.

Gary

Gary,

Tried it...but thanx....I spoke with Lionel today they said to reprogram the engine with aux code #1 after initial setup. I'll try that later.

The Aux code for that locomotive is number 1.  Legacy steam uses number 1 and Legacy diesel uses number 2.

I suggested that yesterday, don't know if he tried it.

At the club, maybe you put the engines in a lash up by mistake? Did you program it with the TR button? If so you have to clear the lash up. Just thinking outside the box.

Jim D.

Jim,

Possibly....But you would think that the "lash up" would be terminated when I erased the both loco's ID/profile from the Cab2...I mean I got the other loco re-profiled without any problems....

Nick B

Nick,

The EM-1 does not need an "aux" code.  It won't hurt to enter it, but it is ignored.  (This is true of all newer Legacy locos).  

Q:When you turn the throttle, does the cab light blink?  If so, then the motor is stalled for some reason, or the motor encoder has failed.

Setting the Engine ID will clear the Train ID in the LOCO; the cab-2 consist builder won't know, but the loco won't respond to the Train ID.  You can also press "info" on the loco ID that you believe is set; and "clear" the loco.  This will send commands to the loco to help restore operation.

If you cannot operate on/off of all lights (Aux2); then check your handrails for any bends that could short the antenna hand rails against the shell.   That is about all I can think of, however I do believe if you set the ID (and the horn blasts) that the cab-2 programming is not the root cause of your problem.

Nick,

The Aux code is a "safe" try, so CS is just being thorough.  I wrote the Operating System for this product, so those details are only purely known to me.

The interesting issue here is the cab light does not blink.  When a throttle command is received, the motor is monitored for motion.  If no motion, and no flash, then the potential for no throttle command received is real.  Are you sure the cab-2 has the train brake off?

Another item that can cause this is the cab-2 Engine Brake (DIR rocker) stuck on.  Happened to me at a show, the engine brake was on, no locos would move.  I somewhat panicked! until I saw the down arrow" on the cab-2 indicating the engine brake was stuck.  Wiggling the rocker, and cycling power on the cab-2 fixed it.

Try another loco, check the cab-2 indicators.  This is certainly a strange issue.

Jon,

I tried another legacy loco already and didn't have any problems...

Like I said with the new loco the cab light is on, headlight is on, tender lights on, and tender is outputting idling sounds, and smoke coming from stack. Once cab-2 was programmed and 'set" was pressed horn went off...engine switched to "run"...still no response from engine or any of the sounds including the quilling whistle, besides the "idling sounds" when Cab-2 sound efx buttons pressed...and no repsonse from the throttle...I already spoke/discussed/explained the situation to the retailer I bought it from and they said they would definitely be sending it back....I'd like to actually know what went wrong with it once it is fixed...this one boggled my mind...

The retailer suggested that it might be a possible communication issue related to the wireless tether. Do you think the tender is not properly communicating with the engine

and might cause this issue? But then again if the tender wasn't communicating with the engine wouldn't an error indicator flash possibly?

Nick B

The engine would still move if the tether wasn't working.  I can stick a piece of tape on the tether of one of mine, the engine still runs.

This may be a silly question, but did you follow the steps in the locomotive manual exactly?  I see that it specifies a ten second wait after shutting off the track power before moving the switch back to 'run'.  Just a thought.

Nick,

Thanks for the info, I will try and watch for this while in the service dept.  You are right, boggles the mind!  BTW: the tether would not cause this problem, as noted by gunrunnerjohn.

Jon (CTO Lionel),

I just wanted to give you the heads up. Loco was dropped off to my dealer on Fri night and should have been sent out today....to be received by Lionel over the next day or so.

Thanx for your help up to this point. I'm not sure if you can...but I'd love to know what the h*ll went wrong...so I can teach/inform other club/forum members "what not to do" when it comes to their new Legacy engine.

Nick B.

Update:

Loco was sent back Tuesday of last week...waiting to get it back.

Hopefully they can give some sort of explanation to what happened....so we all can learn from it...

Nick B