Pullman HW 12-1 sleeper question

Jim,    Please keep in mind that regardless of the number of blue and gray Pullman sleeping cars the B&O owned, there were times of peak travel when the railroad needed additional sleeping cars.  At that time, they notified the Pullman Company and 'Pullman Green' cars from the Pullman pool were used to handle the additional passengers.  Therefore Pullman pool 12-1 car 'Latrobe' could have been in B&O service for a month, Santa Fe service for a month, IC service for a month and be shown in those railroad's train photos in the same calendar year.          John

jd-train posted:

I'm thinking about getting a pair of these to add to my WWII troop train.

The B&O also had 12-1 sleepers and GGD has them in the B&O blue/gray scheme. 

Can anyone tell me when the B&O would have gotten their 12-1 sleepers?  Pre-war or post-war?

I'm wondering if I could use the same pair of 12-1 sleepers on both my troop train and a B&O passenger train.  If B&O got their 12-1's pre-war, would they have had the blue/gray paint scheme?  If they got their 12-1's post-war would they have ever seen service on the B&O with the green Pullman color?

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the B&O used 12-1 sleepers in the Capitol and National Limited trains from the early 1920's.  all their heavyweight equipment was Pullman Green with gold striping until the mid 1930's when some of the heavyweight equipment was rebuilt to look streamlined, including 12-1 sleepers.

Pullman crews manned the sleeper cars.  the B&O only owned and operated their diner and head-end cars.

the GGD cars show a/c added, so they are probably accurate in both green and 2-tone blue and definitely more accurate for post 1930 use.

cheers...gary

Gentlepeople,

Remember that on June 30, 1947, Pullman, Inc., sold its Pullman Operating Company subsidiary to 59 member railroads.  Pullman kept the surplice/pool cars and sold the regular use cars to each railroad.  After that date, each railroad would paint its name in the middle of the nameplate, replacing the word "PULLMAN" followed by painting "PULLMAN" next to the doors in small letters, replacing the railroad name.   

ChipR

There are three ways to determine sleeper car usage on the railroads that I use when researching service. First, public timetables. Usually at the bottom of the schedule they will list accommodations for the sleeping car service, i.e. - type of car assigned to the route. Car types depended on whether they were through route or assigned to a destination. I don't have very many B&O timetables, but I can look through what I have to see what 12/1 cars are listed.

Second, Official Guides. these have roughly the same information as public timetables, but may have more detailed service listings since they were used by travel agents (and some ticket agents) to help route trips for the public.

The last would be train consists. I know Wayner Publications did several consist books covering the 1930s - 1950s, and B&O was covered for their main trains. I have copies of these, and can look up the B&O listings if you would like the information. There are also listing for US Army MAIN trains during WWII for troop movements, while other regular trains showed the addition of the Hospital Cars. 

Hope this helps.