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Originally Posted by AMCDave:

I have never bought any railroadiana but have been given a number of items.

Same here.  I've got a PRR lantern (kerosene), a PRR lock & key, a PRR first-aid kit, a couple of manuals, some builders' plates, a couple of spikes, some other odds and ends that escape me at the moment.  Friends and relatives see these things at flea markets and estate sales, cheap, and occasionally give them to me when they find out I'm interested in railroading.  But personally, I've never put a lot of effort or money into 1:1 railroadiana.

 

 

Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:
 In regards to your Dressel GN marker lamp, could you tell me how and where it is marked?  Thanks,  Jeff
 

Jeff,

 

I went back and looked at the lamp and it was not marked. I then realized the lamp in the picture was not from the GN. That particular lamp was unmarked. I finally found my GN marker lamp. It is an Adlake square top lamp and is marked GN Ry on the top/side of the lid.

 

The GN lamp is in the center of the photo hanging on the wall.

 

 

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Yes, it stands for Pennsylvania System.

 

"Pennsylvania System" was the service name used to designate the combination of Lines East and West. You will find it on certain types of advertising matter, and in the names of several joint bodies that had members from both halves of the railroad.

The "Lines West" organization was abolished in 1920, although it took about two more years before all of the properties were actually leased to the PRR. At that time "Pennsylvania Railroad" replaced "Pennsylvania System" as the name for the whole railroad. This is what you see on post-1920 timetables, advertisements, etc.

Got a few items, not near as many as some of my friends. 

 

1)  cast iron 3 tri color signal which I need to repaint/restore.  Really like Jeff's idea above as would look nice in front of our train building.

 

2)  remember the track side mail pick ups from the RPO days.  Got one of those.

 

3)  beaded crossing buck.

 

4)  several railroad crossing signs.  DOT crew swaping them out.  Stopped to inquire and gave them to me.

 

4)  several Southern Railway timetables.

 

5)  laundry bag (I think) from the Southern passenger train days.

 

6)  thousands of roster and action shot prints and slides.  Don't take railroading and railfanning for granted.  What's been common for years may be gone tomorrow.  Glad was able to photograph Saluda Mountain and the Kings Creek to Shelby line using the spacer box car when I did.  I need to post some of these on the real trains page.

Hi Joe:
 
Thanks for the heads up on your markers. Too bad the Dressel isn't marked GN. I have a few pair of the GN #7 Adlakes, one pair is a three lens variety. I had a GN Dressel years ago, but when I was restoring my real GN caboose, during the time I did not have a job, I traded that marker off to another collector. He trade several handlanterns, which I was able to convert to cash, to help buy me siding for the caboose. Now I wish I had never done that. I also saw a pair of GN markers made by Dressel, but I thought the tags were faked. A number of years later, I came across a nice Adlake bell bottom fork mount switch lamp, with the same odd tag for the GN. The delaer whop had this would have never been able to fake this, just like the tag on those markers. So ends my trials and tribulations looking for a pair of GN Dressel markers. Thanks for your comments, and pictures. You have some neat stuff and nicely displayed.
 
Jeff
 
Originally Posted by NJCJOE:
Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:
 In regards to your Dressel GN marker lamp, could you tell me how and where it is marked?  Thanks,  Jeff
 

Jeff,

 

I went back and looked at the lamp and it was not marked. I then realized the lamp in the picture was not from the GN. That particular lamp was unmarked. I finally found my GN marker lamp. It is an Adlake square top lamp and is marked GN Ry on the top/side of the lid.

 

The GN lamp is in the center of the photo hanging on the wall.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:
Hi Joe:
 
Thanks for the heads up on your markers. Too bad the Dressel isn't marked GN. I have a few pair of the GN #7 Adlakes, one pair is a three lens variety. I had a GN Dressel years ago, but when I was restoring my real GN caboose, during the time I did not have a job, I traded that marker off to another collector. He trade several handlanterns, which I was able to convert to cash, to help buy me siding for the caboose. Now I wish I had never done that. I also saw a pair of GN markers made by Dressel, but I thought the tags were faked. A number of years later, I came across a nice Adlake bell bottom fork mount switch lamp, with the same odd tag for the GN. The delaer whop had this would have never been able to fake this, just like the tag on those markers. So ends my trials and tribulations looking for a pair of GN Dressel markers. Thanks for your comments, and pictures. You have some neat stuff and nicely displayed.
 
Jeff
 
Originally Posted by NJCJOE:
Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:
 In regards to your Dressel GN marker lamp, could you tell me how and where it is marked?  Thanks,  Jeff
 

Jeff,

 

I went back and looked at the lamp and it was not marked. I then realized the lamp in the picture was not from the GN. That particular lamp was unmarked. I finally found my GN marker lamp. It is an Adlake square top lamp and is marked GN Ry on the top/side of the lid.

 

The GN lamp is in the center of the photo hanging on the wall.

 

 

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Great Northern Ry. Dressel marker

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I guess I goofed up the first try, so will attach again. These are some of my lamps and lanterns. They have been moving around the basement, as I restored the walls of our old basement foundation, so I could build a layout as I have posted elsewhere. Many are restored, many are not, but awaiting the day. Most are not displayed, until I can move them to another room of the house. Our old home was built in 1911, and restoring the 17" thick fieldstone foundation was quite a feat. So here are a few pictures, also show some of my whistles. You asked for pictures, so at least here, I can contribute.   Jeff    Originally Posted by NJCJOE:

Some cool items guys. Now we need to see some pictures. 

 

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Thanks for the compliment. I know they must look a mess in storage like that, but it is the only way right now. It has been fun over the 40+ years, but it took a long time to get that many, much less pairs of many of them. I want pairs so that I could use them from time to time on our Museum's trains, but those days are not as often now.
 
Jeff
 
Originally Posted by NJCJOE:

Jeff, 

 

Very impressive collection. Thank you for sharing the photos. Looks to be some pretty interesting items there.

 

It doesn't look like a mess to me. I view those photos like others would look at a piece of art. The history sitting on those shelves can not be easily duplicated. Of all the items that one could collect railroadiana wise, I find lanterns and lamps the most fascinating. I even have a tattoo of a late 1800's Westlake conductors lantern with a red over clear globe. You could say this is my hobby for life.

Since the Pennsylvania System was mentioned above, here's a Form 5 passenger timetable dated April 30, 1922 with "PS" lettering from my collection. As seen from the photo, this edition prominently featured the still relatively new Pennsylvania Station in New York City. Of course, at this time, Pennsy trains to the west were still being hauled by electric locomotives drawing their power from third rail direct current. Alternating current supplied by overhead catenary was still in the future.

 

Bob

    

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Thanks for reviving this thread and sharing your items with us.

 

Here's another Pennsylvania timetable. This is a Form 79 dated March 13, 1921 and also features an image of New York Penn Station on its cover. Clearly, the company was justifiably proud of its magnificent station in New York City.

 

Note the Pennsylvania System lettering within the keystone versus the later "PRR" on the 1922 timetable pictured above. Also, this timetable is lettered for the Eastern Region under the larger "Pennsylvania System" banner. 

 

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As seen by my previous posts, I'm particularly interested in paper items so I present for your consideration a New York Central & Hudson River passenger timetable dated 1893. Of course, this was well before electrification, GCT and the Hudsons and other such things so closely associated with the NYC. In fact, 4-4-0 999 was built at the West Albany Shops during the same year this timetable was issued so the 999 and its contemporaries were the latest and greatest in passenger power at the time.

   

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The drawing of the old Grand Central Station on the cover is quite spectacular.

 

When you think about the incredible age of some of these items, it's quite thrilling and humbling to have the opportunity to be their current caretaker and hold them with your own hands.

 

Bob 

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Here's the Summer 1904 timetable for the Western Division of the NYC&HR. The railroad's Western Division was composed of the territory beginning at Syracuse moving west to the Niagara Falls area. Also shown in this timetable are times for connecting services to and from New York City, assorted Canadian points and the Midwest.

    

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Pictured here is PRR Form 5 New York-Philadelphia timetable effective June 11, 1905. As this timetable predates the completion of New York Pennsylvania Station by several years, it shows three Manhattan station stops: West 23rd, Desbrosses and Cortlandt Streets. Brooklyn is included as well. Philadelphia stations listed are Broad Street, West Philadelphia and North Philadelphia.

 

Bob

  

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A timely thread. I have long held that Railroadiana, for supplemental income, is the future of train meets/shows ... and that includes E.D.'s biannual York meet. The Red & White buildings ... open to the public for a reduced (non TCA) fee would be a very good start.

 

Either the ED does for Railroadiana what they have done for 3rd rail or some one else will! ... 

 

 

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Here's the New Haven's 1933 Annual Report:

 

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Annual reports are a treasure trove of information, providing insight regarding the operating and financial strategies of individual carriers. Reviewing their bibliographies, many of the most respected railroad histories published over the years have relied heavily upon annual reports as their primary sources of accurate and factual information.

 

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Was the background color of the "Railroad Crossing Stop Look And Listen" originally yellow or white.  I Have one and planed to paint it, so I looked it up and the only one I could find had a white background with of course the red, lettering like yours.  
 
Originally Posted by NJCJOE:

Railroadiana......my other hobby. I collect anything used by the railroad including lanterns, signs, tools, lamps, signals, paper and other hardware.

 

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It depends on what sign you have. There are two versions of that sign. Most of these signs came from the PRR and look like this.

 

 

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Mine is the other version and looks like this. I was told it came off a trolley line near Philadelphia.

 

 

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There are two ways to tell the difference. First is the lettering style and spacing. The other is that on the PRR sign, there are two holes near the bottom. This was for a strap bracket that was mounted on the back of the sign which went around the pole for additional support. All PRR signs were painted white and black.

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Here we have a desirable item. This is Reading Form T.T. 4 for the Trenton and New York Branches effective December 12, 1937. What makes this specific timetable particularly appealing is this is the edition which introduced the streamlined Crusader to the riding public. In fact, the new train entered regular service between Philadelphia and Jersey City the next day. Understandably, the railroad was quite certain to tout the new service rather prominently on the cover of the timetable.

  

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Hi, Dave.

 

I believe you're correct about the lighter being issued by Headlight either as a give away or separate sale item. It certainly appears to be promotional in nature.

 

Here are several images of Headlight Overalls memorabilia I found on the web:

 

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I had never seen one of these lighters until you posted the pictures of yours. Thanks for sharing.

 

Bob

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I have some New York Central paper type items and other things which were passed to me by my father who was the District Claim Agent for the NYC.  I would love to get some more information on some of this 'stuff'.

 

I noted with interest that Bob (CNJ 3676) and Joe (NJCJOE) seem to have a wealth of information and interest in similar things...  My email address is in my profile - please contact me!!!

 

Best,

Dave

Hi, Dave.

 

I'll shoot you an e-mail. I'm always happy to talk railroading.

 

An additional note regarding Headlight Overalls: I checked for additional images and located more advertising material, one of which features one of the UP's diesel streamliners and the second several young model railroaders at play dressed just like their heroes running the real thing. Great stuff; I'll have to start looking for some of it at train shows.

 

Bob

  

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Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:
Another quest. Have you or anyone else have any of these marker lamps? I would like to get one. Or a pair.
 
Jeff
 
Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:
Wow. Great Friend. If you ever decide to sell, perhaps you will remember me.   Happy Collecting.
 
jeff
 
Originally Posted by NJCJOE:

Sweet caboose Jeff. The lamp actually came from a friend of mine. I have no idea where he got it from but if I was to guess I would say Ebay.

 

 

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I have a couple of Armspear Spheroidal bridge/Pier lamps.  One, a swing bridge top lamp identical to the marker lamp seen here except for the marine style of bail (handle) and without the clasp marker mounting bracket.  It also has the added (and therefore removable) blinders that reduce the visible segment of the lenses from 90 degrees to 60 degrees as were also found when these had switch lamp bases riveted on to the bottom of this type of lamp.  The other is an all aluminum cast electric pier lamp made in the 1930's or 40's.  This type of lamp was made from the late teens until at least the mid 1930's.

 

Google images: "Dewey defeats Truman" and you'll see the famous photos of president Truman holding the newspaper with the incorrect outcome of his presidential election while standing on the rear of the OFFICIAL Presidential observation car AND NOTICE THOSE MARKER LAMPS!!!    Paul

Interesting to hear you have some of the bridge lamps, that is great. I have the picture in one of my books, but I'll have to google your suggestion and see it there. Jeff     Originally Posted by Super7:
Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:
Another quest. Have you or anyone else have any of these marker lamps? I would like to get one. Or a pair.
 
Jeff
 
Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:
Wow. Great Friend. If you ever decide to sell, perhaps you will remember me.   Happy Collecting.
 
jeff
 
Originally Posted by NJCJOE:

Sweet caboose Jeff. The lamp actually came from a friend of mine. I have no idea where he got it from but if I was to guess I would say Ebay.

 

 

Armspear marker lamp

I have a couple of Armspear Spheroidal bridge/Pier lamps.  One, a swing bridge top lamp identical to the marker lamp seen here except for the marine style of bail (handle) and without the clasp marker mounting bracket.  It also has the added (and therefore removable) blinders that reduce the visible segment of the lenses from 90 degrees to 60 degrees as were also found when these had switch lamp bases riveted on to the bottom of this type of lamp.  The other is an all aluminum cast electric pier lamp made in the 1930's or 40's.  This type of lamp was made from the late teens until at least the mid 1930's.

 

Google images: "Dewey defeats Truman" and you'll see the famous photos of president Truman holding the newspaper with the incorrect outcome of his presidential election while standing on the rear of the OFFICIAL Presidential observation car AND NOTICE THOSE MARKER LAMPS!!!    Paul

 

Originally Posted by NJCJOE:

Bob,

 

It was nice to meet you at the Greenberg show today.

Hi, Joe.

 

It was a pleasure to meet you as well. In this electronic world of ours, it's nice when you can match a live person to a post!

 

Following up on Mr. Butler's CB&Q timetable featuring a military service theme, here's a PRR Form 1 System Timetable effective November 14, 1943:

  

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Originally Posted by CNJ 3676:

Hi, Derek.

 

Have you managed to get anything else done with the model board?

 

Bob

Hey Bob, 

 

No I have not done much else, it has pretty much sat for the past five months. If I thought I'd ever get a chance to own it again, I'd let it go and make room for something else. That being said, it's one of a kind, so it's going to hang around for awhile longer. 

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There are many way cool items attached to this thread. Made me grab my camera and get some pics of the stuff I've acquired over the years. The RR Xing signs and the switch throw were Christmas gifts from my oldest. He missed out on a motorized inspection car by two weeks. The guy who owned it, gave it away!

Don

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Prior to 1933, if a bank met certain requirements of U.S. banking laws they could become a chartered bank and have the Bureau of Printing and Engraving print U.S. money with an ad for their bank on the front.  In addition to the ad, the bill included the banks charter number and the signatures of the key bank officers. Among paper money collectors this currency issue is known as "National Currency".  During the first quarter of the 20th Century a number of railroad brotherhoods opened banks which met the criteria for charter status.  Below is an example of the last National Bank Note series from one of these railroad brotherhood banks - The Engineers National Bank of Boston Massachusetts charter number 12540.

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This is a great thread.  I believe there should be a separate forum for this.  there has been alot of interesting items shown.  Robert, you have a rare note there, really nice condition and a low serial number too.  Here is one of my favorite railroad signs, it would be on a station platform to warn people when trains pass.

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Thanks to all for continuing to share your wonderful items.

 

Here are a few more volumes from the pile of annual reports. From top to bottom we have the 1928 New York Central, 1941 NYC (note the image of the re-equipped Empire State Express equipment on the cover as it debuted on December 7th of that year), 1949 NYC, 1959 Reading, 1965 Reading and 1966 Morristown & Erie reports.

 

Bob 

 

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Railroads vigorously promoted the attributes of points and attractions along their systems to increase passenger ridership. Not sparing any expense, they issued promotional materials which were quite elegant and of very high quality for their day. Thankfully, some of this literature is still with us for us to reflect upon and enjoy. Below we have examples of 1903 New York Central items highlighting the attributes of the Adirondack and Thousand Island regions along with a Delaware & Hudson 1915 brochure for Lake George.

 

Bob 

 

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Here's a brochure issued by the American Locomotive Company publicizing the delivery of New Haven's DL-109 units to the railroad. While the DL-109 was ordered by several roads, it became synonymous with the New Haven as the NH truly maximized utilization of its units, assigning them to freight trains when not needed for passenger service.

 

Bob 

 

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I have these former Adirondack logging items. The sign Is real. The caboose is not.

 

The Caboose is truckless on the former R.O.W. it would have run on. I built it myself based on Photos and a Keystone O-scale model of the caboose that ran on this RR blown up to full scale. My neighbor milled the wood for me. It took me about five summers to build. There are still some projects to work out.

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